I agree totally, that instructor should have his feet held to the fire.
I just had a bad experience at some training and I hit the roof. The course
outline was not followed and the portions I really needed were just glossed
over because of time restraints and instructor stupidity. The worst part was
that the organization giving the training had internal people in the class.
It was supposed to be a network boot camp to support a Digital TV headend
which included the OSI, TCP/IP, Cisco routers, Unix Administration, and ATM,
all of which are used to support a Digital headend. Of course these recent
collage grads just hired by this organization had no clue so we spent three
days going over the OSI and IP addressing AGAIN AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Best
part the instructor was dead wrong about some major things but was unwilling
to budge when reasoned with. He said that physical addressing does not
happen at the Data-link layer and then used Frame as an example but then
said the data-link handled error-correction and I said not frame-relay, he
didn't get what I was trying to say. I believe on an Ethernet network
physical addressing happens at the data-link layer. I don't think he
understood the concept of the OSI. It is just a MODEL. So this is how it
went for three days, which in the course outline said was to be about 1 and
1/4 days to end at 10:30 am of the second day, not 8 am of the forth day.
Instead of showing us where the app's loaded and how to configure them for
the system and what processes are loaded and why and when they should be
stopped and where the logs were and what they mean, all good stuff for a
Unix admin supporting the DTV platform, the Unix training consisted of CD,
LS and VI again!!!!!!!!!!AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH what a moron!!!
I've seen better sales presentations of ATM than his training, unbelievable.
The best part was that I was the only outside customer there and I came with
a solid data background, the internal people, it was the first time through
and they lapped it up like puppies. Nobody talked to me during break cause
they thought I was the bad guy because I could only sit there quietly so
long before I had to call him on his huge errors. Oh another big one was
that he said that OSPF uses STP algorithm and there is a root router. I
tried to reason with him that, that would defeat the purpose of the SPF part
if all routers had to check in with a root, no all routers run their own SPF
tree with themselves as root. I think he was confused with a DR, nothing to
do with each routers path selection just a way of managing the topology
database on multiple access networks (ie. Ethernet). When I tried to explain
this I thought his head was going to pop. Enough for now Thanks for the vent
space. My company paid for this training but I view it as though it is my
money, that is why I have such a good ride here.
Duck
----- Original Message -----
From: Marshal Schoener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Ledwidge, Feargal' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Report - Global Knowlege BGP class
> I'm taking a Global Knowledge course on the BCSN this Monday!
> If the instructor tries leaving early, I would NOT be as calm about it as
> you! My course is 5 days, but I will have someone's head if ANY of them
are
> cut short :-)
> Although my company is flipping the bill for this, it is a lot of money,
and
>
> if any class is cut short, I will expect either a full refund, or another
> course...
> I think you should be complaining to someone in administration!!!!!!!
> Get your money back! That is very unfair!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ledwidge, Feargal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:56 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Report - Global Knowlege BGP class
>
>
> I talked to a GK instructor recently regards some bad experiences with GK.
> He suggested directing specific complaints to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Thats Chuck Terrien who is the VP responsible for Cisco training.
> Alternatively - you can call any GK number and do a lookup on the name and
> be tranferred to his office.
>
> Speak your mind ....
>
> Feargal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Casey Fahey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 8:45 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Report - Global Knowlege BGP class
>
>
>
> There is an easy way to deal with the instructor leaving early issue...
Let
>
> GK know that it is NOT acceptable to cut the labs out of the class and
that
> you need to retake the class.
>
> And since you are way too busy to take another week out of work, your ol'
> buddy, ol' pal Casey will be coming in your place. : D
>
> Have a good one,
>
> Casey
>
> >From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Cisco Mail List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Report - Global Knowlege BGP class
> >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:17:13 -0700
> >
> >Lorda mercy. My DSL line disappeared the day I started a week long
training
> >class. Lost service for 8 days. Talk about withdrawal....
> >
> >In any case, I thought some of you might be interested in a short review
of
> >the Global Knowledge Advanced BGP class, a three day course with lots of
> >routers and lots of learning.
> >
> >Overall, I found this to be a good course. The class and labs are
> >structured
> >so that there are four student AS's, each with four routers. The
instructor
> >runs two AS's. Each student AS is multi-homed. Several of the labs
revolve
> >around using BGP attributes to influence route selection and to examine
> >results of various attributes as applied to the BGP announcements.
> >
> >I found the class to be pretty good. The materials were understandable,
but
> >offered more than enough detail to allow one to understand the process as
> >well as the commands needed to configure routers. There were a number of
> >labs, so there was a lot of hands on. We covered basic setup, route
> >reflectors, MED's aggregation, aggravation, troubleshooting ( try to get
> >your own IGP working with a couple of fellow administrators who
generally
> >did not appear particularly interested in learning anything )
> >
> >So in general, I would recommend this class. I have only one real gripe,
> >and
> >that is that the instructor booked his flight home for noon of the third
> >day. So while we did finish the lecture portion of the class, we were
> >unable
> >to complete three labs. ( The instructor has to pack the routers and lock
> >them up for shipping before he leaves. )
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >Please check out my new footers for a new age
> >
> >1) Altruism
> >http://www.hungersite.com/
> >Please help feed hungry people worldwide. A few seconds a day can make a
> >difference to many people
> >
> >2) Shameless Commerce
> >http://www.certificationzone.com
> >An excellent source for information, study materials, practice questions,
> >practice exams, and practice labs. Applicable for all levels of
> >certification, as well as the attainment of internetworking expertise.
Tell
> >them Chuck Larrieu sent you. ( disclaimer - I will receive addition free
> >months membership when enough people mention my name upon joining )
> >
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