Re: why SFM? [7:42877]
not necessarily, a lot of the processing for port to port is done on the line cards.. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kris Keen To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: Re: why SFM? [7:42877] Can we determine if we have SFM cards? We have 2 x 6509's with Sup1A and MSFC2/PFC. We have dual 16GBIC line cards (32 in total) and we are using ALL of them. If we have the 32gbps backplane, and our 32 sockets maxed out (this isnt including the 4 x 48port ethernet line cards we have) then we would be overloading our backplane yes? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=42956t=42877 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why SFM? [7:42877]
To see if you have the SFM, do a 'show module' from enabled mode and you'll see output like: Mod Ports Card Type Model Serial No. --- - -- -- --- 12 Catalyst 6000 supervisor 2 (Active)WS-X6K-SUP2-2GE SAD05080DZA 22 Catalyst 6000 supervisor 2 (Standby) WS-X6K-SUP2-2GE SAD0522001V 3 48 48 port 10/100 mb RJ45 WS-X6348-RJ-45 SAL0508444Q 4 48 48 port 10/100 mb RJ45 WS-X6348-RJ-45 SAL05084NJS 50 Switching Fabric Module-128 (Active) WS-C6500-SFM SAD0447006C 6 48 48 port 10/100 mb RJ45 WS-X6348-RJ-45 SAL050958JE 7 48 48 port 10/100 mb RJ45 WS-X6348-RJ-45 SAL05084R0Y 8 48 48 port 10/100 mb RJ45 WS-X6348-RJ-45 SAL05073WX4 9 48 48 port 10/100 mb RJ45 WS-X6348-RJ-45 SAL05073WXL You'll see (in the example) there's a SFM in slot 5 that's active. If you have 2, one will be active and the other in standby (or inactive). As far as the GBIC cards overrunning the 32Gbps backplane, it's a possibility that's happening and here's why... From the URL I had in my previous post: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/ca6000/prodlit/k6kfy_wp.htm The key difference between the two line cards is that the fabric-enabled cards use a single local switching bus with a bandwidth capacity of 16 Gbps. The fabric-only line cards use two local switching buses, each clocked at 16 Gbps. Both line cards can support distributed forwarding. The DFC daughter card is available as an add-on for the fabric-enabled cards. The fabric-only line cards have the DFC embedded in the system. (Note this said both line cards meaning fabric-enabled and fabric-only... the DFC is NOT available on non-fabric-enabled cards) The key difference in the DFC-enabled system is that a switching decision is made on the input module instead of centrally at the Supervisor Engine. The CEF table used for switching, however, is still calculated centrally at the Supervisor Engine and then downloaded to the CEF table local to the line card. Therefore, the Supervisor CEF table and the local CEF tables are always synchronized. The Distributed Forwarding Card (DFC, which is basically the same as the PFC that's on the Sup/MSFC card) is what would allow a card to make it's own forwarding decisions at layer 2 and/or 3. If you have non-fabric enabled cards, then they can not switch between ports on the same card without the frames traveling along the 32Gbps bus to the Supervisor Engine to make the switching decision. If you have fabric-enabled cards (with optional DFC) or fabric-only cards (that have DFC built-in), then all L2 and L3 switching/routing decisions are made on the card itself, so then switching and or routing between ports on the same card will happen locally. Also cards with the DFC, when making L2/L3 decisions, if the destination is another fabric-enabled card, send the frame directly to the other card via the SFM... this is where you can realize the performance of the SFM. IMHO, if you have fabric-enabled modules, make sure you get the DFC to go on it to unlock the full potential of the system. Check your line cards, because the 16GBIC line card we have is NOT fabric enabled, so not only does it have to use the 32Gbps bus to send frames through the Sup. just to deliver traffic between ports on the same card, but it needs to use the 32Gbps bus to communicate with any other card in the chassis. Mike W. Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... not necessarily, a lot of the processing for port to port is done on the line cards.. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kris Keen To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: Re: why SFM? [7:42877] Can we determine if we have SFM cards? We have 2 x 6509's with Sup1A and MSFC2/PFC. We have dual 16GBIC line cards (32 in total) and we are using ALL of them. If we have the 32gbps backplane, and our 32 sockets maxed out (this isnt including the 4 x 48port ethernet line cards we have) then we would be overloading our backplane yes? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=42965t=42877 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why SFM? [7:42877]
Do you mean a Fabric enabled line cards of the SFM itself??? dave Kris Keen wrote: Can we determine if we have SFM cards? We have 2 x 6509's with Sup1A and MSFC2/PFC. We have dual 16GBIC line cards (32 in total) and we are using ALL of them. If we have the 32gbps backplane, and our 32 sockets maxed out (this isnt including the 4 x 48port ethernet line cards we have) then we would be overloading our backplane yes? -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43015t=42877 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
why SFM? [7:42877]
I'm reading the 6509 product overview and I could configure it with the Switch Fabric Module (WS-C5600-SFM or WS-X6500-SFM2). Two questions: - Which is the benefit of th SFM? -Why I MUST install it in slot 5 or 6? Thanks in advance, Teresa Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=42877t=42877 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why SFM? [7:42877]
The SMF is basically a 256Gbps switching fabric. The 6000 family has a 32Gbps bus communications system built into it. There are 3 types of cards for the 6000 series. Non-fabric enabled, fabric-enabled, and fabric-only. The non-fabric enabled can only use the 32Gbps bus (to talk to the Sup/MSFC and other cards) and the fabric enabled cards can use the 32Gbps bus to talk to non fabric enabled cards and the 256Gbps switch fabric to talk to the Sup/MSFC, other fabric enabled cards, and fabric only cards. Fabric only cards must use the 256Gbps switch fabric to talk to everything, so if it needs to talk to a non-fabric enabled card, it must to through the Sup/MSFC blade over to the 32Gbps bus The SFM must go into 5 or 6 (or both for redundancy) because that's the only place the backplane of the chassis will accept them (just like slots 1 and 2 are the only places to put the Sup/MSFC blades). Basically all fabric-enabled and fabric-only cards are treated like devices with a 16Gbps connection to a 256Gbps backplane switch. But you must be sure you line cards support it or else they'll simply use the 32Gbps bus. We bought a 6509 with the SFM in slot 5, and 48-port FastEthernet blades in the rest (well, slots 12 had Sup2/MSFC2s), but our so-called Value Added Reseller didn't realize when he placed the order that the ethernet blades he got were NOT fabric enabled, so now we have 288 FastEthernet ports on a 6509 w/SFM and NONE OF THEM can use the 256Gbps backplane it's just sitting there dormant. what a waste and what a dumbass VAR for not realizing what he was doing!!! If your're going to be switching alot of Gigabit connections, get the SFM. and be sure your blades are fabric-enabled! After all that, here's an URL that describes in-depth how the 6000/6500s work with and without the SFM.. good info http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/ca6000/prodlit/k6kfy_wp.htm Mike W. TP wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm reading the 6509 product overview and I could configure it with the Switch Fabric Module (WS-C5600-SFM or WS-X6500-SFM2). Two questions: - Which is the benefit of th SFM? -Why I MUST install it in slot 5 or 6? Thanks in advance, Teresa Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=42883t=42877 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why SFM? [7:42877]
Can we determine if we have SFM cards? We have 2 x 6509's with Sup1A and MSFC2/PFC. We have dual 16GBIC line cards (32 in total) and we are using ALL of them. If we have the 32gbps backplane, and our 32 sockets maxed out (this isnt including the 4 x 48port ethernet line cards we have) then we would be overloading our backplane yes? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=42947t=42877 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
