Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
Markus, On 10 Dec 2013, at 21:19, Markus H wrote: > I have found a Cisco Catalyst 4948-S to be less expensive on ebay than two > 3750G-24 (and both options are far cheaper than any > Juniper EX on ebay). 4948 without letter ‘E’ at the end signifies a version based on the older Supervisor design without hardware forwarding of IPv6. You should definitely look at 4948E or newest 3650. Also, being non-profit organization, you should work with the local Cisco account team. They should be able to work on something special in terms of discounts for that kind of organization. If you fail, please write to me at lbromirski (@cisco.com), I’ll try to connect you with proper people. -- "There's no sense in being precise when | Łukasz Bromirski you don't know what you're talking | jid:lbromir...@jabber.org about." John von Neumann |http://lukasz.bromirski.net ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
The generated hot air is good for drying the laundry in my cellar. I was first unsure wether the air-humidity would harm, but my home-servers still survive. The depth of my rack is ok (HP/Compaq) but it was hard to find one less than 1,8 m . Boing...Ouch my head...allways duck when going thru doors. Just my 0.01$ Juergen. > Am 10.12.2013 um 21:19 schrieb Markus H : > > I have found a Cisco Catalyst 4948-S to be less expensive on ebay > than > > two > > 3750G-24 (and both options are far cheaper than any Juniper EX on > ebay). > [...] > One drawback - this thing is huge ;-) You will need 60cm or something > deep of rackspace. Not a problem in a commercial environment with racks > but could be a limiting factor in a private setup. More than twice as > big as a 29xx or 37xx ... ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
Hi, all, Am 10.12.2013 um 21:19 schrieb Markus H : > I have found a Cisco Catalyst 4948-S to be less expensive on ebay than two > 3750G-24 (and both options are far cheaper than any Juniper EX on ebay). If you can get one cheap, go for it. My used gear supplier swears by them and I just bought three to finally start the first rack with 10G as a backbone interconnection and 1G to each server. Our current setup is 1G to the backbone and 100M to each server. (backbone links redundant, of course) One drawback - this thing is huge ;-) You will need 60cm or something deep of rackspace. Not a problem in a commercial environment with racks but could be a limiting factor in a private setup. More than twice as big as a 29xx or 37xx ... Kind regards Patrick -- punkt.de GmbH * Kaiserallee 13a * 76133 Karlsruhe Tel. 0721 9109 0 * Fax 0721 9109 100 i...@punkt.de http://www.punkt.de Gf: Jürgen Egeling AG Mannheim 108285 signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:19:53 PM Markus H wrote: > So the benefit of a 4948 would be bigger buffers (and > therefore less problems from microbursts), the benefit > of a pair of 3750Gs would be that I don't have to buy > them at once and I have some redundancy. So I think I > would prefer the 4948 at the moment. The 4948 is better in terms of buffers, certainly. If you are getting it on the cheap, take it. Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
Thanks for the input so far. I have found a Cisco Catalyst 4948-S to be less expensive on ebay than two 3750G-24 (and both options are far cheaper than any Juniper EX on ebay). So the benefit of a 4948 would be bigger buffers (and therefore less problems from microbursts), the benefit of a pair of 3750Gs would be that I don't have to buy them at once and I have some redundancy. So I think I would prefer the 4948 at the moment. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > +1 on the EX 4200. > > Good, configurable with VC cables or optics for bundling in to a chassis > over a larger physical area, decent horse power and decent features. > > > On Dec 9, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Doug McIntyre wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 05:17:58PM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > >> On the Juniper side, the EX4200 and EX3200 might be all you > >> need. You can get them pretty cheap on the used market now. > > > > Ditto on the Juniper EX. The EX4200 is current, and is even cheap on > > gray market (ie. Amazon), although not quite as cheap as used. The > > EX4200 in particular comes with the VC ports & VC stack cables already. > > (as opposed to the EX4550 which you have to buy both, but > > that is beyond what the OP is looking for). > > > > At used EX4200 pricing, I'd go for them over the EX2200, since there > > are a lot more out there, more bang for the buck. > > > > The EX3200 is fine too, just be careful that you can only VC stack > > the same family (ie. only all EX4xxx). > > ___ > > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ > > > ___ > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ > ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
Network hardware resellers is where I would purchase your gear from Cheers Chris On Dec 9, 2013 10:46 PM, "Markus H" wrote: > Hi, > > I know that this list is more for service provider discussions, but I feel > like this is still the most suited place to ask. > > We just founded a hacker space [1] and are about to setup our home. For a > few rooms full of people making and creating things and working on nerdy > stuff you need a good networking infrastructure. So I have come to the > following requirements: > > Fully managed, layer 3 and IPv6 capable switch(es) with 48 ports in total, > at least 24 of them gigabit. > > The most affordable solution for me seems to be a stack of 3750s: 3750G-24T > + 3750-24TS. Which has the added benefit that we could add another > 3750G-24T to increase the number of gigabit ports later on. > > I have found all chassis based solutions from Cisco to be more expensive on > the used marked, especially if you want a decent Supervisor. A Catalyst > 3560G-48 would cost about the same or even slightly more than two 3750G-24 > and we would have to spend all the money at once - and with the 3750Gs we > could connect servers redundantly. > > I had a quick look into Juniper and HP but also clouldn't find any solution > that would beat a stack of 3750s. > > So if you have any further ideas what I should look into (or maybe even > know someone who would donate (or sell at a reasonably price) suitable gear > to a recently founded german hacker space) I'd be glad to hear from you. > > Thanks, > Markus > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackerspace > ___ > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ > ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
+1 on the EX 4200. Good, configurable with VC cables or optics for bundling in to a chassis over a larger physical area, decent horse power and decent features. On Dec 9, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Doug McIntyre wrote: > On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 05:17:58PM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: >> On the Juniper side, the EX4200 and EX3200 might be all you >> need. You can get them pretty cheap on the used market now. > > Ditto on the Juniper EX. The EX4200 is current, and is even cheap on > gray market (ie. Amazon), although not quite as cheap as used. The > EX4200 in particular comes with the VC ports & VC stack cables already. > (as opposed to the EX4550 which you have to buy both, but > that is beyond what the OP is looking for). > > At used EX4200 pricing, I'd go for them over the EX2200, since there > are a lot more out there, more bang for the buck. > > The EX3200 is fine too, just be careful that you can only VC stack > the same family (ie. only all EX4xxx). > ___ > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 05:17:58PM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > On the Juniper side, the EX4200 and EX3200 might be all you > need. You can get them pretty cheap on the used market now. Ditto on the Juniper EX. The EX4200 is current, and is even cheap on gray market (ie. Amazon), although not quite as cheap as used. The EX4200 in particular comes with the VC ports & VC stack cables already. (as opposed to the EX4550 which you have to buy both, but that is beyond what the OP is looking for). At used EX4200 pricing, I'd go for them over the EX2200, since there are a lot more out there, more bang for the buck. The EX3200 is fine too, just be careful that you can only VC stack the same family (ie. only all EX4xxx). ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
On Monday, December 09, 2013 05:31:40 PM Eugeniu Patrascu wrote: > The 2500 is what you're thinking. 2200 is JunOS. Ah yes, that's the one - was wondering because I don't see it on their product line up anymore. Smallest EX I've ever deployed is the EX3200. Now focusing on the EX4550, but that's too big for the OP (4500-X equivalent in Cisco-land). Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: > On Monday, December 09, 2013 04:05:25 PM Jared Mauch wrote: > > > Might want to look at the Juniper EX-2200 series as well. > > Isn't the EX2200 the one that ships with a non-Junos OS? > The 2500 is what you're thinking. 2200 is JunOS. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
On Monday, December 09, 2013 04:05:25 PM Jared Mauch wrote: > Might want to look at the Juniper EX-2200 series as well. Isn't the EX2200 the one that ships with a non-Junos OS? Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
On Monday, December 09, 2013 04:02:14 PM Eugeniu Patrascu wrote: > If you are not going to run all the ports at wire speed > and also require high packet rates between two subnets, > you can get HP gigabit switches (they have lifetime > warranty) pretty cheap and a small Linux system with a > few GigE interfaces and run that as a router. It's not > the most nice looking solution but it will do the job on > the cheap and also provide lots of options later one > (firewall, packet capture etc). On the Juniper side, the EX4200 and EX3200 might be all you need. You can get them pretty cheap on the used market now. They have matured, and are reasonably well. Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
On Monday, December 09, 2013 03:40:12 PM Nikolay Shopik wrote: > Only exception is new cat 3650, with 12Mb buffer, which > is double amount from previous generation with just 6Mb > shared buffer. I've dropped the 3750X in favour of the 3650 due to a longer lifespan for the latter. However, I'm not sure how much of a benefit the 12MB buffer on the 3650 gives for bursty traffic. That said, the QoS feature set on the 3650 looks quite detailed (and it MQC style). These switches are meant to double of low-to-medium end wireless controllers, so not sure if that gives them better grade or not. We'll see if I buy them. Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
On Monday, December 09, 2013 02:54:25 PM Phil Mayers wrote: > You might want to be a bit careful about which specific > models are EoS in that range; I lose track of which are > current and which are old. The 3560X and 3750X (which both replaced the 3560 and 3750) are being replaced by the 3650 very soon. So I'd look at a 3650 if you want to stay current. Otherwise, the older models will work fine until there is a feature you need that is only on the newer units. > One important thing to bear in mind: All the cheap > Catalyst devices, including 3750, have tiny tiny > buffers, so tend to drop under microbursts. Search the > archives for more details, but this can make it hard to > get the full throughput out of them, *particularly* if > you're going from 1G to 100M ports. The 3750X is good for 6MB buffers for all ports. The 3650 is upgraded to 12MB, if that helps. Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
On 09/12/13 14:47, Markus H wrote: I don't think microbursts are that much of a problem for us. I at least don't see them impacting the VM host sending a backup to the file server, That's *exactly* the sort of thing that microbursts tend to impact. The basic problem is: port A sends to port B at 1Gbit/sec port C sends a burst of 10 packets to port B every X seconds port A TCP flow drops, and recovers relatively slowly repeat A->B bulk throughput is a small fraction of the link rate or even several of us pushing photos/videos from an event we attended onto the owncloud instance. (If anyone however has some nice article that I should read on microbursts feel free to send a link my way.) There's extensive discussion on this in the list archives, but the basic idea is simple; tiny bursts of traffic, often back-to-back / linerate (e.g. as a result of 10kb of data being send via TSO NIC offload) cause other TCP flows to sawtooth. They may not be a problem for you - we used the 3750s for years without problems - but don't underestimate how annoying they can be. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
Thanks for all your input so far. Regaring the Cat4k range - a C4948 would be an option if I could spend all the money upfront, I don't think we can invest that much right now. Regarding the EX2200 - IIRC it is very restricted in terms of L3 features and forwarding (and the price once again). Regarding the Cisco SBS - I have to take a look at those again, maybe something there fits our needs. Regarding "routing" vs "switching" - I'd like to do routing between VLANs (and basic ACLs) on the switch and hand off anything more complex to a (linux or *BSD based) software router. That includes routing at least our guest traffic via some kind of VPN service to get rid of most . I don't think microbursts are that much of a problem for us. I at least don't see them impacting the VM host sending a backup to the file server, or even several of us pushing photos/videos from an event we attended onto the owncloud instance. (If anyone however has some nice article that I should read on microbursts feel free to send a link my way.) Greetings, Markus ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
On 09/12/13 13:40, Nikolay Shopik wrote: Only exception is new cat 3650, with 12Mb buffer, which is double amount from previous generation with just 6Mb shared buffer. Interesting, hadn't seen that. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
2013/12/9 Eugeniu Patrascu : >> >> We just founded a hacker space [1] and are about to setup our home. For a >> few rooms full of people making and creating things and working on nerdy >> stuff you need a good networking infrastructure. So I have come to the >> following requirements: >> >> Fully managed, layer 3 and IPv6 capable switch(es) with 48 ports in total, >> at least 24 of them gigabit. >> > > If you are not going to run all the ports at wire speed and also require > high packet rates between two subnets, you can get HP gigabit switches > (they have lifetime warranty) pretty cheap and a small Linux system with a > few GigE interfaces and run that as a router. It's not the most nice > looking solution but it will do the job on the cheap and also provide lots > of options later one (firewall, packet capture etc). +1. As this is for a hackerspace, you should be able to source some networking skills to set up and maintain a software router, that will be much more flexible (read: anything your members want to implement) than a L3 switch. -- pierre ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Markus H wrote: > Hi, > > I know that this list is more for service provider discussions, but I feel > like this is still the most suited place to ask. > > We just founded a hacker space [1] and are about to setup our home. For a > few rooms full of people making and creating things and working on nerdy > stuff you need a good networking infrastructure. So I have come to the > following requirements: > > Fully managed, layer 3 and IPv6 capable switch(es) with 48 ports in total, > at least 24 of them gigabit. > > The most affordable solution for me seems to be a stack of 3750s: 3750G-24T > + 3750-24TS. Which has the added benefit that we could add another > 3750G-24T to increase the number of gigabit ports later on. > If you are not going to run all the ports at wire speed and also require high packet rates between two subnets, you can get HP gigabit switches (they have lifetime warranty) pretty cheap and a small Linux system with a few GigE interfaces and run that as a router. It's not the most nice looking solution but it will do the job on the cheap and also provide lots of options later one (firewall, packet capture etc). HTH. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
Might want to look at the Juniper EX-2200 series as well. - Jared On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Gert Doering wrote: > HI, > > On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 01:45:09PM +0100, Markus H wrote: >> Fully managed, layer 3 and IPv6 capable switch(es) with 48 ports in total, >> at least 24 of them gigabit. > > "Routing" or "Switching"? > > If switching is good enough for you, I found the new Cisco "small business" > switches to be surprisingly good. Slightly weird "somewhat like IOS, but > not fully so" CLI, surprisingly good web interface, all relevant bits like > "monitoring port", "rapid stp", "ssh", etc. - haven't tried to use them > as L3 device, so I can't say how well they function there. But I wouldn't > use a 3750 for that either. > > gert > -- > USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW! > //www.muc.de/~gert/ > Gert Doering - Munich, Germany g...@greenie.muc.de > fax: +49-89-35655025g...@net.informatik.tu-muenchen.de > ___ > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
HI, On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 01:45:09PM +0100, Markus H wrote: > Fully managed, layer 3 and IPv6 capable switch(es) with 48 ports in total, > at least 24 of them gigabit. "Routing" or "Switching"? If switching is good enough for you, I found the new Cisco "small business" switches to be surprisingly good. Slightly weird "somewhat like IOS, but not fully so" CLI, surprisingly good web interface, all relevant bits like "monitoring port", "rapid stp", "ssh", etc. - haven't tried to use them as L3 device, so I can't say how well they function there. But I wouldn't use a 3750 for that either. gert -- USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW! //www.muc.de/~gert/ Gert Doering - Munich, Germany g...@greenie.muc.de fax: +49-89-35655025g...@net.informatik.tu-muenchen.de pgpMMoWlwRWGS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
Only exception is new cat 3650, with 12Mb buffer, which is double amount from previous generation with just 6Mb shared buffer. On 09/12/13 16:54, Phil Mayers wrote: > > One important thing to bear in mind: All the cheap Catalyst devices, > including 3750, have tiny tiny buffers, so tend to drop under microbursts. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
On 09/12/13 12:45, Markus H wrote: Hi, I know that this list is more for service provider discussions, but I feel like this is still the most suited place to ask. We just founded a hacker space [1] and are about to setup our home. For a few rooms full of people making and creating things and working on nerdy stuff you need a good networking infrastructure. So I have come to the following requirements: Fully managed, layer 3 and IPv6 capable switch(es) with 48 ports in total, at least 24 of them gigabit. The most affordable solution for me seems to be a stack of 3750s: 3750G-24T + 3750-24TS. Which has the added benefit that we could add another 3750G-24T to increase the number of gigabit ports later on. You might want to be a bit careful about which specific models are EoS in that range; I lose track of which are current and which are old. But 3750 stacks are a decent-ish product that will serve small L3 networks reasonably well. One important thing to bear in mind: All the cheap Catalyst devices, including 3750, have tiny tiny buffers, so tend to drop under microbursts. Search the archives for more details, but this can make it hard to get the full throughput out of them, *particularly* if you're going from 1G to 100M ports. [This is usually true on competing products from other vendors in the same price range too[ You can't solve that without paying a lot more e.g. Cat4k range. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
[c-nsp] cheap core switch for a "hacker space" (nonprofit association)
Hi, I know that this list is more for service provider discussions, but I feel like this is still the most suited place to ask. We just founded a hacker space [1] and are about to setup our home. For a few rooms full of people making and creating things and working on nerdy stuff you need a good networking infrastructure. So I have come to the following requirements: Fully managed, layer 3 and IPv6 capable switch(es) with 48 ports in total, at least 24 of them gigabit. The most affordable solution for me seems to be a stack of 3750s: 3750G-24T + 3750-24TS. Which has the added benefit that we could add another 3750G-24T to increase the number of gigabit ports later on. I have found all chassis based solutions from Cisco to be more expensive on the used marked, especially if you want a decent Supervisor. A Catalyst 3560G-48 would cost about the same or even slightly more than two 3750G-24 and we would have to spend all the money at once - and with the 3750Gs we could connect servers redundantly. I had a quick look into Juniper and HP but also clouldn't find any solution that would beat a stack of 3750s. So if you have any further ideas what I should look into (or maybe even know someone who would donate (or sell at a reasonably price) suitable gear to a recently founded german hacker space) I'd be glad to hear from you. Thanks, Markus [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackerspace ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
