Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei...
On Tuesday, July 26, 2011 05:13:41 PM Pshem Kowalczyk wrote: > The cost of equipment is not just the initial cost, it's > also the cost of support, both internally and > externally. It's still quite difficult to find people > with Huawei experience. We keep our lives simple - Cisco and Juniper :-). We do use Huawei in the FTTH aggregation, but that's really just a Layer 2 Ethernet switch, so not much fancy there. And I do have to say, it's quite good. Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei...
On 7/27/2011 4:52 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > How does this differ from what Foundry did? :) The CLI in the fast > iron or > server iron gear for example is pretty damn similar. The "router bgp" > commands were absolutely the same and the only difference was the way > that > foundry named interfaces. (ethernet x/x instead of distinguishing > between > gig / fast E etc). Route-maps, basic routing, and I'd say 95% of the > interface was a rip off of IOS. Even down to show ver.:) Well, I really really wish Foundry had copied the vlan management. Foundry's (and HP's) just seem totally backwards :) [I like my vlan assignments with my interfaces, thank you very much] Jeff ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei...
I'm not sure about that. Not sure about the legal action side but the stolen source part I think there's some background to. -Original Message- From: John Gill Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 5:36 PM To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei... I don't think foundry was sued or stated that they stopped shipping stolen IOS source. John Gill cisco On 7/27/11 4:52 PM, Scott Granados wrote: How does this differ from what Foundry did? :) The CLI in the fast iron or server iron gear for example is pretty damn similar. The "router bgp" commands were absolutely the same and the only difference was the way that foundry named interfaces. (ethernet x/x instead of distinguishing between gig / fast E etc). Route-maps, basic routing, and I'd say 95% of the interface was a rip off of IOS. Even down to show ver.:) Something about Flattery or some such! Scott -Original Message- From: Tom Storey Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:20 PM To: scubac...@gmail.com Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei... Huawei got into a bit of trouble a couple of years back. Cisco sued them for copying their CLI, claiming that it gave them an unfair cost advantage by requiring less investment in training, or some such. But they also found that the Huawei manuals contained large slabs of text copied seemingly word for word (bar s/Cisco/Huawei) from Cisco manuals/website. Can you post a full config (sans passwords/etc) so we can really see how "different" it is? Maybe some CLI outputs too? :-) On 26 July 2011 05:51, Rogelio wrote: Not sure if it's any interest of this group, but I just installed a Huawei CX600 router this last week. It's like Cisco quality (garbage!) for the price that Cisco should be (low!). The commands are very similar (e.g. switchport -> portswitch, no shut -> undo shut, etc), and you configure it almost identical to what you'd expect on a Cisco. The worst part about the Huawei is probably the documentation. It's scattered all over the place, so if you want something simple (like telnet access), it's in a completely different PDF than if you want, say, VLAN configuration commands. Finding it all is a huge scavenger hunt. But hey...for like a 1/4 of the price or whatever (so I've heard), I'd say it's worth it. :b -- Also on LinkedIn? Feel free to connect if you too are an open networker: scubac...@gmail.com ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei...
I don't think foundry was sued or stated that they stopped shipping stolen IOS source. John Gill cisco On 7/27/11 4:52 PM, Scott Granados wrote: How does this differ from what Foundry did? :) The CLI in the fast iron or server iron gear for example is pretty damn similar. The "router bgp" commands were absolutely the same and the only difference was the way that foundry named interfaces. (ethernet x/x instead of distinguishing between gig / fast E etc). Route-maps, basic routing, and I'd say 95% of the interface was a rip off of IOS. Even down to show ver.:) Something about Flattery or some such! Scott -Original Message- From: Tom Storey Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:20 PM To: scubac...@gmail.com Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei... Huawei got into a bit of trouble a couple of years back. Cisco sued them for copying their CLI, claiming that it gave them an unfair cost advantage by requiring less investment in training, or some such. But they also found that the Huawei manuals contained large slabs of text copied seemingly word for word (bar s/Cisco/Huawei) from Cisco manuals/website. Can you post a full config (sans passwords/etc) so we can really see how "different" it is? Maybe some CLI outputs too? :-) On 26 July 2011 05:51, Rogelio wrote: Not sure if it's any interest of this group, but I just installed a Huawei CX600 router this last week. It's like Cisco quality (garbage!) for the price that Cisco should be (low!). The commands are very similar (e.g. switchport -> portswitch, no shut -> undo shut, etc), and you configure it almost identical to what you'd expect on a Cisco. The worst part about the Huawei is probably the documentation. It's scattered all over the place, so if you want something simple (like telnet access), it's in a completely different PDF than if you want, say, VLAN configuration commands. Finding it all is a huge scavenger hunt. But hey...for like a 1/4 of the price or whatever (so I've heard), I'd say it's worth it. :b -- Also on LinkedIn? Feel free to connect if you too are an open networker: scubac...@gmail.com ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei...
How does this differ from what Foundry did? :) The CLI in the fast iron or server iron gear for example is pretty damn similar. The "router bgp" commands were absolutely the same and the only difference was the way that foundry named interfaces. (ethernet x/x instead of distinguishing between gig / fast E etc). Route-maps, basic routing, and I'd say 95% of the interface was a rip off of IOS. Even down to show ver.:) Something about Flattery or some such! Scott -Original Message- From: Tom Storey Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:20 PM To: scubac...@gmail.com Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei... Huawei got into a bit of trouble a couple of years back. Cisco sued them for copying their CLI, claiming that it gave them an unfair cost advantage by requiring less investment in training, or some such. But they also found that the Huawei manuals contained large slabs of text copied seemingly word for word (bar s/Cisco/Huawei) from Cisco manuals/website. Can you post a full config (sans passwords/etc) so we can really see how "different" it is? Maybe some CLI outputs too? :-) On 26 July 2011 05:51, Rogelio wrote: Not sure if it's any interest of this group, but I just installed a Huawei CX600 router this last week. It's like Cisco quality (garbage!) for the price that Cisco should be (low!). The commands are very similar (e.g. switchport -> portswitch, no shut -> undo shut, etc), and you configure it almost identical to what you'd expect on a Cisco. The worst part about the Huawei is probably the documentation. It's scattered all over the place, so if you want something simple (like telnet access), it's in a completely different PDF than if you want, say, VLAN configuration commands. Finding it all is a huge scavenger hunt. But hey...for like a 1/4 of the price or whatever (so I've heard), I'd say it's worth it. :b -- Also on LinkedIn? Feel free to connect if you too are an open networker: scubac...@gmail.com ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei...
Huawei got into a bit of trouble a couple of years back. Cisco sued them for copying their CLI, claiming that it gave them an unfair cost advantage by requiring less investment in training, or some such. But they also found that the Huawei manuals contained large slabs of text copied seemingly word for word (bar s/Cisco/Huawei) from Cisco manuals/website. Can you post a full config (sans passwords/etc) so we can really see how "different" it is? Maybe some CLI outputs too? :-) On 26 July 2011 05:51, Rogelio wrote: > Not sure if it's any interest of this group, but I just installed a > Huawei CX600 router this last week. > > It's like Cisco quality (garbage!) for the price that Cisco should be > (low!). The commands are very similar (e.g. switchport -> portswitch, > no shut -> undo shut, etc), and you configure it almost identical to > what you'd expect on a Cisco. > > The worst part about the Huawei is probably the documentation. It's > scattered all over the place, so if you want something simple (like > telnet access), it's in a completely different PDF than if you want, > say, VLAN configuration commands. Finding it all is a huge scavenger > hunt. > > But hey...for like a 1/4 of the price or whatever (so I've heard), I'd > say it's worth it. :b > > > -- > Also on LinkedIn? Feel free to connect if you too are an open > networker: scubac...@gmail.com > > ___ > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ > ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei...
Hi,
On 26 July 2011 16:51, Rogelio wrote:
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> The worst part about the Huawei is probably the documentation. It's
> scattered all over the place, so if you want something simple (like
> telnet access), it's in a completely different PDF than if you want,
> say, VLAN configuration commands. Finding it all is a huge scavenger
> hunt.
Basic documentation is there (if you know where to find it on their
website), sometimes just the finding the right feature require a
mindset change :-) . Debugging and troubleshooting are the real
problems IMHO. Just have a look in the logs to see what's to come.
Messages are cryptic, often misleading. Some aspects can not be really
debugged without assitance from Huawei. So if you don't have a good
Huawei guy nearby that you can run your problems past - it might be a
challenge.
The cost of equipment is not just the initial cost, it's also the cost
of support, both internally and externally. It's still quite difficult
to find people with Huawei experience.
kind regards
Pshem
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Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei...
On (2011-07-25 21:51 -0700), Rogelio wrote: Hi, > Not sure if it's any interest of this group, but I just installed a > Huawei CX600 router this last week. I'm very interested, not much word in community for some reason about using Huawei in L3 > The worst part about the Huawei is probably the documentation. It's > scattered all over the place, so if you want something simple (like > telnet access), it's in a completely different PDF than if you want, > say, VLAN configuration commands. Finding it all is a huge scavenger > hunt. Most vendors have quite appalling documentation, enabling telnet on CX can be adventure, but ssh is interesting too, considering there are no ssh keywords, as it is 'secure telnet' :). Anyhow of course for larger organization the CLI is mostly irrelevant as is the overhead of finding out how to deploy given product in given platform, if it is possible, the CLI-wide complexity is not a factor, as everything would/should be done via automated provisioning systems. For smaller organisations CSCO/JNPR with good community support and few internal resources things are of course much different. > But hey...for like a 1/4 of the price or whatever (so I've heard), I'd > say it's worth it. :b It looks very good on paper. -- ++ytti ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei...
but then you spend 4 x the time configuring and maintaining your network false economy? Andrew Jones -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2011 2:51 PM To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [c-nsp] just installed a Huawei... Not sure if it's any interest of this group, but I just installed a Huawei CX600 router this last week. It's like Cisco quality (garbage!) for the price that Cisco should be (low!). The commands are very similar (e.g. switchport -> portswitch, no shut -> undo shut, etc), and you configure it almost identical to what you'd expect on a Cisco. The worst part about the Huawei is probably the documentation. It's scattered all over the place, so if you want something simple (like telnet access), it's in a completely different PDF than if you want, say, VLAN configuration commands. Finding it all is a huge scavenger hunt. But hey...for like a 1/4 of the price or whatever (so I've heard), I'd say it's worth it. :b -- Also on LinkedIn? Feel free to connect if you too are an open networker: scubac...@gmail.com ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ Alphawest Disclaimer If this communication is not intended for you and you are not an authorised recipient of this email you are prohibited by law from dealing with or relying on the email or any file attachments. This prohibition includes reading, printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, storing or in any other way dealing or acting in reliance on the information. If you have received this email in error, we request you contact Alphawest immediately by returning the email to postmas...@alphawest.com.au and destroy the original. This email is confidential and may contain privileged client information. Alphawest has taken reasonable steps to ensure the accuracy and integrity of all its communications, including electronic communications, but accepts no liability for materials transmitted. Alphawest collects, uses and stores information regarding its customers from time to time in accordance with its privacy policy located on www.alphawest.com.au. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
[c-nsp] just installed a Huawei...
Not sure if it's any interest of this group, but I just installed a Huawei CX600 router this last week. It's like Cisco quality (garbage!) for the price that Cisco should be (low!). The commands are very similar (e.g. switchport -> portswitch, no shut -> undo shut, etc), and you configure it almost identical to what you'd expect on a Cisco. The worst part about the Huawei is probably the documentation. It's scattered all over the place, so if you want something simple (like telnet access), it's in a completely different PDF than if you want, say, VLAN configuration commands. Finding it all is a huge scavenger hunt. But hey...for like a 1/4 of the price or whatever (so I've heard), I'd say it's worth it. :b -- Also on LinkedIn? Feel free to connect if you too are an open networker: scubac...@gmail.com ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
