Re: [Clamav-users] Downloading clam virus definition files automatically

2004-08-26 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk

All parties are willing and agreeable, and the vendor stands to make some 
money. I can't imagine that would be a bad thing. I wouldn't underestimate 
the importance of liability,  tho.
Uhhh... but then what do you think someone providing such service would be 
liable for then? Unable to download an update? Or not being updated as soon 
as an update arrives?
Pretty hard one because you connection might be temporarily down, a 
temporarily routing problem might exist somewhere between you and the 
server supposed to update your server.

If you want to be able to sue someone then why don't you use a product like 
Symantec Corporate edition, or from any other large vendor? Good luck.
Clamav already gives you free support, that's much much more then you can 
say about Symantec.

I have some experience with liability insurances and they will limit what 
they cover as much as possible. Making an update service pretty expensive..


B. 


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RE: [Clamav-users] Second-tier Mirrors...

2004-08-26 Thread Mitch \(WebCob\)


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Graham
 Toal

 Aren't we missing something obvious here?  Shouldn't we be using some
 sort of distributed technology like BitTorrent?


That's been asked and answered... Bittorrent is meant to optimize download
of large files when there are many peers. We could effect the many peers,
but the size of the files involved are often finished downloading before a
torrent file is downloaded parsed, and attempted (there are always
unreachable / not responding hosts / slow hosts / bad routes etc.)

a summarization of my understanding anyways.

m/



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Re: [Clamav-users] Second-tier Mirrors...

2004-08-26 Thread Lionel Bouton
Mitch (WebCob) wrote the following on 08/26/2004 10:47 AM :
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Graham
Toal
Aren't we missing something obvious here?  Shouldn't we be using some
sort of distributed technology like BitTorrent?
   

That's been asked and answered... Bittorrent is meant to optimize download
of large files when there are many peers.
Not really, the protocol is tunable to scales down too (just use small 
chunks for the torrents).
Sure there will be more overhead BW-wise because the aggregated BW is 
always more than the one you get using a central point of distribution 
and the overhead gets bigger when the files' sizes go down.

But this isn't the point, the point is : you get rid of the central 
distribution point(s) bottleneck. The aggregated BW is distributed on as 
many links as freshclam instances... You may want to have more than one 
tracker though with DNS views to redirect people to a local tracker, I 
don't think a tracker scales well beyond 10 clients today (you could 
use the multi-tracker extensions too).

We could effect the many peers,
but the size of the files involved are often finished downloading before a
torrent file is downloaded parsed, and attempted (there are always
unreachable / not responding hosts / slow hosts / bad routes etc.)
a summarization of my understanding anyways.
m/
 

In fact the main obstacle is the firewall setup needed for such a scheme 
for each client. One possibility would be to provide 2 distributions 
paths : the current one, DNS-enhanced for administrators worrying about 
a new port open, a parallel one for people looking for near zero-delay, 
using the bittorrent protocol with adequate sigs for torrent as I 
described earlier on this list.

Anybody with some time to spare ?
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RE: [Clamav-users] Second-tier Mirrors...

2004-08-26 Thread Matthew Keller
On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 16:28, Mitch (WebCob) wrote:
..snip..
 Perhaps (not sure of the DNS system in place) could be arranged so that 10%
 of the requests a full primary mirror receives could be directed to a
 secondary level mirror. With a committment of only roughly 10GB per month,
 we'd get more volunteers (I'd volunteer 2).

We could/would mirror at 10GB/month.

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Re: [Clamav-users] Downloading clam virus definition files automatically

2004-08-26 Thread Dennis Peterson
B. van Ouwerkerk said:


All parties are willing and agreeable, and the vendor stands to make some
money. I can't imagine that would be a bad thing. I wouldn't
 underestimate
the importance of liability,  tho.

 Uhhh... but then what do you think someone providing such service would be
 liable for then? Unable to download an update? Or not being updated as
 soon
 as an update arrives?

I think such a provider would be liable for very little - but it is very
expensive to establish that in court. Law suits are trivial to initiate
and we are in a very litigous society. If you have 10,000 customers you
can bet at least one of them will levy a suit against you for some
perceived affront and you are out of pocket without some kind of
insurance.

 Pretty hard one because you connection might be temporarily down, a
 temporarily routing problem might exist somewhere between you and the
 server supposed to update your server.

Tell it to the judge. Ka-ching!


 If you want to be able to sue someone then why don't you use a product
 like
 Symantec Corporate edition, or from any other large vendor?

I don't want to sue someone - I just like being protected against those
who do, and there are a lot of them out there.


 I have some experience with liability insurances and they will limit what
 they cover as much as possible. Making an update service pretty
 expensive..

Imagine the expense of having to be represented in court 5 or 10 times a
year.

dp


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Re: [Clamav-users] Downloading clam virus definition files automatically

2004-08-26 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk

 If you want to be able to sue someone then why don't you use a product
 like
 Symantec Corporate edition, or from any other large vendor?
I don't want to sue someone - I just like being protected against those
who do, and there are a lot of them out there.
That's why you pay so much for insurance.
 I have some experience with liability insurances and they will limit what
 they cover as much as possible. Making an update service pretty
 expensive..
Imagine the expense of having to be represented in court 5 or 10 times a
year.
Yeah, and how much more expensive any update service would get to cover the 
additional cost.


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[Clamav-users] Question

2004-08-26 Thread Ovidiu Bivolaru
Hi,
 I'm using ClamAV 0.75.1 and I encounter one of the Oversized.zip 
issues. I've read a few threads about this issue and I've learned that 
maxcompressionratio could be 200 ~ 99.5% compression.
 I have a zip file which reports a compression ratio of 466. Is this 
possible ?

bash-2.05b$ clamscan --debug VHS_Single_SpecialEdition.zip
LibClamAV debug: Loading databases from /var/lib/clamav
LibClamAV debug: Loading /var/lib/clamav/main.cvd
LibClamAV debug: /var/lib/clamav/main.cvd: CVD file detected
LibClamAV debug: in cli_cvdload()
LibClamAV debug: MD5(.tar.gz) = 65cfe3193203ba5ac9ef23de49ce7eba
LibClamAV debug: Decoded signature: 65cfe3193203ba5ac9ef23de49ce7eba
LibClamAV debug: Digital signature is correct.
LibClamAV debug: in cli_untgz()
LibClamAV debug: Unpacking /tmp/clamav-520ff652dbf5d1d5/COPYING
LibClamAV debug: Unpacking /tmp/clamav-520ff652dbf5d1d5/viruses.db
LibClamAV debug: Loading databases from /tmp/clamav-520ff652dbf5d1d5
LibClamAV debug: Loading /tmp/clamav-520ff652dbf5d1d5/viruses.db
LibClamAV debug: Initializing trie.
LibClamAV debug: Loading /var/lib/clamav/daily.cvd
LibClamAV debug: /var/lib/clamav/daily.cvd: CVD file detected
LibClamAV debug: in cli_cvdload()
LibClamAV debug: MD5(.tar.gz) = 13d5a99d7ef5a1ed695165e5ed8910a6
LibClamAV debug: Decoded signature: 13d5a99d7ef5a1ed695165e5ed8910a6
LibClamAV debug: Digital signature is correct.
LibClamAV debug: in cli_untgz()
LibClamAV debug: Unpacking /tmp/clamav-42e9e742ccf763e6/COPYING
LibClamAV debug: Unpacking /tmp/clamav-42e9e742ccf763e6/viruses.db2
LibClamAV debug: Loading databases from /tmp/clamav-42e9e742ccf763e6
LibClamAV debug: Loading /tmp/clamav-42e9e742ccf763e6/viruses.db2
LibClamAV debug: Not suported signature type detected at line 15. Skipping.
LibClamAV debug: Not suported signature type detected at line 318. Skipping.
LibClamAV debug: Recognized ZIP file
LibClamAV debug: Starting scanzip()
LibClamAV debug: Zip - VHS Single Special.job/, compressed: 0, normal: 
0, ratio: 0 (max: 200)
LibClamAV debug: Zip - VHS Single Special.job/Fonts Folder/, 
compressed: 0, normal: 0, ratio: 0 (max: 200)
LibClamAV debug: Zip - VHS Single Special.job/Fonts Folder/B Helvetica 
Bold, compressed: 32, normal: 15403, ratio: 466 (max: 200)
VHS_Single_SpecialEdition.zip: Oversized.Zip FOUND

Thank you!
Regards,
Ovidiu


signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


RE: [Clamav-users] Downloading clam virus definition files automatically

2004-08-26 Thread Shayne Lebrun
 Uhhh... but then what do you think someone providing such service
 would be
 liable for then? Unable to download an update? Or not being
 updated as soon
 as an update arrives?
 Pretty hard one because you connection might be temporarily down, a
 temporarily routing problem might exist somewhere between you and the
 server supposed to update your server.

BigCorp contracts with you, ClamAVUpdates, for X amount of money per month
for virus updates.

ClamAVUpdates.com goes down for twenty minutes.

During that twenty minutes, a new virus comes out, and BigCorp gets infected
with it.

BigCorp then turns around and sues ClamAVUpdates for not fufilling their end
of the contract.

Yes, said contract probably included the standard 'best effort' clauses, or
maybe it's not even your fault; but this is an important point, so I'm going
to put it in it's own paragraph.

You're still going to wind up in court.  Court is expensive.

So, liability insurance.



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[Clamav-users] libcurl support in latest ClamAV

2004-08-26 Thread Brett Simpson
I noticed the libcurl support to follow urls. I tried setting up a test by sending 
myself an email with a link to a virus on a test web server but it doesn't pick up 
there's a virus. I have curl-devel installed and when I compiled clamav it picked up 
that I had libcurl. Is this still very Alpha or am I doing something wrong?

On the Web server...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# clamscan /var/www/html/document.zip
/var/www/html/document.zip: Worm.Mydoom.M FOUND

After I receive the email I save it into mbox format:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# clamscan --mail-follow-url url-test-mail
url-test-mail: OK

Contents of url-test-mail:
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug 20 08:02:16 2004
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from ns2b.hillsboroughcounty.org (ns2b.hillsboroughcounty.org
[207.156.7.21]) by impmail.dnsalias.com (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id
i7KC2GMX009647 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 20 Aug 2004
08:02:16 -0400
Received: from simpsonb.hillsboroughcounty.org (firewall.hillsborough.fl.us
[207.156.7.1] (may be forged)) by ns2b.hillsboroughcounty.org
(8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7KC2HZD018881 for
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:02:17 -0400
Subject: Test url
From: Brett Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Content-Type: text/plain
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:02:17 -0400
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
http://172.27.228.145/document.zip 
 
 
 




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RE: [Clamav-users] Downloading clam virus definition files automatically

2004-08-26 Thread Mitch \(WebCob\)
 I think such a provider would be liable for very little - but it is very
 expensive to establish that in court. Law suits are trivial to initiate
 and we are in a very litigous society. If you have 10,000 customers you
 can bet at least one of them will levy a suit against you for some
 perceived affront and you are out of pocket without some kind of
 insurance.


Think we're blowing things out of proproation and way off topic here... This
is ClammAV not business 101...

Liability insurance doesn't PREVENT people from suing you. It covers
SPECIFIED perils if people do, but still requires you to defend yourself in
the suit - it kicks in to pay legal costs or settle if you lose... Having a
fat liability policy can also make you a target.

And a waiver, SLA or specific contract limiting liability can close off many
of these threats.

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[Clamav-users] Siggen -- small tool to (hopefully) aid someone :)

2004-08-26 Thread Daniel Lord
Hi List,

just put something together to aid me in generating signatures
for my database. Perhaps someone likes it. Just use your favorit 
hex editor (vim :%!xxd) and get a good offset value.

./siggen virus.exe 0FF337

you get a 300 character signature which you (probably) have to cut a
bit and give it an appropriate name.

Greetings Daniel
-- 
Saying that Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like
saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders
--ToxicSin

siggen.c
/*
 * Copyright (C) 2004 Daniel Lord*
 *   *
 * This is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify  *
 * it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published *
 * by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, *
 * or (at your option) any later version.*
 *   *
 * This software is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,  *
 * but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of*
 * MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the *
 * GNU General Public License for more details.  *
 *   *
 * You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License *
 * along with this software; if not, write to the Free Software  *
 * Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston,*
 * MA  02111-1307, USA.  *
 */ 

/* gcc -Wall -Os -s -lm -o siggen siggen.c */

#include stdio.h
#include stdlib.h
#include string.h
#include ctype.h
#include math.h

FILE * fopenfile_ro (char *file)
{
FILE *fdp;
if ((fdp = fopen(file, rb)) == NULL){
perror(fopen);
exit (EXIT_FAILURE);
}

return fdp;
}

int main (int argc, char *argv[])
{   
FILE *virfd;
short i,x;
long offset;
long filesize=0;

if (argc != 3) {
fprintf(stderr,  usage: %s file offset\n, argv[0]);
return EXIT_FAILURE;
}

virfd = fopenfile_ro(argv[1]);

x=0;
offset=0;
for (i=strlen(argv[2])-1; i=0; i--) {
if ((toupper(argv[2][i]) = 'A')  (toupper(argv[2][i]) = 'F')){
offset += (toupper(argv[2][i])-0x37)*(pow(16,x));
x++;
}
else {
if ((toupper(argv[2][i]) = '0')  (toupper(argv[2][i]) = '9')){
offset += (argv[2][i]-0x30)*(pow(16,x));
x++;
}
else {
fprintf(stderr,  Wrong Offset Value\n);
fprintf(stderr,  String: %s -- Value: %c\n,
argv[2],argv[2][i]);
fclose(virfd);
return EXIT_FAILURE;
}
}
if (x  6) {
fprintf(stderr,  Really big Offset? (FIXME)\n);
fclose(virfd);
return EXIT_FAILURE;
}
}

if (fseek(virfd, 0, SEEK_END) != 0){
perror(fseek);
fclose(virfd);
return EXIT_FAILURE;
}

if ((filesize = ftell (virfd)) == -1) {
perror(ftell);
fclose(virfd);
return EXIT_FAILURE;
}

if ((offset+300)  filesize) {
fprintf(stderr,  File too short or offset to big\n);
fprintf(stderr,  Filesize: %li -- Offset: %li + 300\n,
filesize, offset);
fclose(virfd);
return EXIT_FAILURE;
}

if ((fseek (virfd, offset, SEEK_SET)) != 0) {
perror(fseek);
fclose(virfd);
return EXIT_FAILURE;
}

printf(unknown.auto.lo (Clam)=);

for (i=0; i300; i++) {
x = fgetc(virfd);
printf(%02X,x);
}
printf(\n);

fclose(virfd);
return EXIT_SUCCESS;
}
/siggen.c


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Re: [Clamav-users] Siggen -- small tool to (hopefully) aid someone :)

2004-08-26 Thread Tomasz Kojm
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:32:56 +0200
Daniel Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi List,
 
 just put something together to aid me in generating signatures
 for my database. Perhaps someone likes it. Just use your favorit 
 hex editor (vim :%!xxd) and get a good offset value.
 
 ./siggen virus.exe 0FF337
 
 you get a 300 character signature which you (probably) have to cut a
 bit and give it an appropriate name.

Such a method may lead to false positives. The CVS version of ClamAV
allows users to create their own signatures for a static malware in a
very simple manner - by using MD5 hashes.

The format is

MD5:Size:MalwareName[:Alias1,Alias2,Alias3,...,AliasN]

Example:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp/malware$ ls -l
total 969
-rw-r--r--  1 zolw zolw 990208 Aug 27 00:43 test.exe

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp/malware$ md5sum test.exe 
dfcd1da74cd5ec997f5f311800919e29  test.exe

The signature is

dfcd1da74cd5ec997f5f311800919e29:990208:Test-Signature

Save it in a *.hdb file and install in your clamav-db directory.

-- 
   oo. Tomasz Kojm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  (\/)\. http://www.ClamAV.net/gpg/tkojm.gpg
 \..._ 0DCA5A08407D5288279DB43454822DC8985A444B
   //\   /\  Fri Aug 27 00:40:29 CEST 2004


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Description: PGP signature


Re: [Clamav-users] postfix+clamav without amavisd-new

2004-08-26 Thread Ajay Sharma
Alex V. Kovirshin wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 07:39:20PM -0700, Ajay wrote:
Hi,
What are some other ways to get clamd support in postfix without using 
amavisd-new because I don't need all the features of amavisd-new.

Hi. Try my script, it's simple.
Hey, thanks your script is really straightforward.  Isn't it probably a 
good idea not to bounce the message back to the sender since the sender 
address is most likely spoofed anyway?

--Ajay
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Re: [Clamav-users] libcurl support in latest ClamAV

2004-08-26 Thread Nigel Horne
On Thursday 26 Aug 2004 20:34, Brett Simpson wrote:
 I noticed the libcurl support to follow urls. I tried setting up a test by sending 
 myself an email with a link to a virus on a test web server but it doesn't pick up 
 there's a virus. I have curl-devel installed and when I compiled clamav it picked up 
 that I had libcurl. Is this still very Alpha or am I doing something wrong?

[snip]
 After I receive the email I save it into mbox format:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# clamscan --mail-follow-url url-test-mail
 url-test-mail: OK
 
[snip]
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
  
 http://172.27.228.145/document.zip 

Three things
1) The support for libcurl is only in the development version
2) You need to recompile libclamav/mbox.c with FOLLOWURLS defined
3) The reason it doesn't work with your example is that currently it only scans html 
formatted
email. So try it again with an e-mail with contents such as:
...
 Content-Type: text/html
.
 HTMLBODY
 A HREF=http://172.27.228.145/document.zip;Click here to download a virus/A
 /BODY/HTML

-Nigel

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