Re: [Clamav-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Windows port ?

2004-09-24 Thread Tomasz Kojm
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 05:58:24 +0200
"Remi Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok, you can download the clam database handling and file scanner at
> http://uscanit.free.fr/lib.zip

It looks OK. Thanks for publishing it.

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RE: [Clamav-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Windows port ?

2004-09-23 Thread Mitch \(WebCob\)
> > > > Ok, you can download the clam database handling and file scanner
> > > > at http://uscanit.free.fr/lib.zip
> > >
> > > It looks OK. Thanks for publishing it.
> > >
> >
> > Can you clarify for the rest of us? Does that mean the clam team is
> > accepting this sort of usage of the db?
>
> The library seems to cover _all_ operations that use the database in
> some way (loading, pattern matching, scanning of zip files,...). We
> can't forbid people to rewrite libclamav from a scratch and license it
> under LGPL (which allows linking with closed apps), but well - that
> would require a lot of hard work. As long as the mentioned heuristic
> scanning is completely independent from the database it's not affected
> by the GPL license.
>

Ok... So for anyone else working on similar now or in future, this is the
"approved" way to legally do it. Access the DB with an LGPL based library,
publish the library and share the source of it, then do what you will behind
the scenes. Or maybe even better, just use this library? Assuming it gets
tagged with the LGPL license...

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Re: [Clamav-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Windows port ?

2004-09-23 Thread Tomasz Kojm
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:42:00 -0700
"Mitch (WebCob)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > Ok, you can download the clam database handling and file scanner
> > > at http://uscanit.free.fr/lib.zip
> >
> > It looks OK. Thanks for publishing it.
> >
> 
> Can you clarify for the rest of us? Does that mean the clam team is
> accepting this sort of usage of the db?

The library seems to cover _all_ operations that use the database in
some way (loading, pattern matching, scanning of zip files,...). We
can't forbid people to rewrite libclamav from a scratch and license it
under LGPL (which allows linking with closed apps), but well - that
would require a lot of hard work. As long as the mentioned heuristic
scanning is completely independent from the database it's not affected
by the GPL license.

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RE: [Clamav-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Windows port ?

2004-09-23 Thread Mitch \(WebCob\)
> > Ok, you can download the clam database handling and file scanner at
> > http://uscanit.free.fr/lib.zip
>
> It looks OK. Thanks for publishing it.
>

Can you clarify for the rest of us? Does that mean the clam team is
accepting this sort of usage of the db?

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Re: [Clamav-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Windows port ?

2004-09-23 Thread Tomasz Kojm
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 05:58:24 +0200
"Remi Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok, you can download the clam database handling and file scanner at
> http://uscanit.free.fr/lib.zip

It looks OK. Thanks for publishing it.

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RE: [Clamav-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Windows port ?

2004-09-22 Thread Mitch \(WebCob\)
Remi wrote:

> > No, it won't. Security by obscurity is a nonsense.
> It's true only for cryptography I think.
>

Anyone with a disassembler can find your secret sauce as soon as they
download your product. A lot of effort yes... but if what you think you have
found has any value it will be done. Consider the volume of movies and
software and keygens released daily...

The people who write viruses are used to low level analysis and reverse
engineering of systems and their weaknesses - right? They aren't
particularly fond of the laws...

That's the reason the big vendors have to keep rolling new engines as well
;-)

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Re: [Clamav-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Windows port ?

2004-09-22 Thread Dennis Peterson
Remi Thomas said:
> Tomasz Kojm wrote:
>
>> No, it won't. Security by obscurity is a nonsense.
> It's true only for cryptography I think.
>
>> It would be really nice if you could share your code with us to make
>> ClamAV a better software.
>
> Ok, you can download the clam database handling and file scanner at
> http://uscanit.free.fr/lib.zip
>
> This project won't compile because many other libs are missing, but source
> is very readable.
> You'll see this code is very Windows specific. This code cover 100% of the
> clam database handling.
>
> Sincerely,
> Remi
>

Before I pass out from bordom or cebral cortex collapse, could we prefix
our subject lines with appropriate indicators such as [Windows blah blah
blah] or [pointless rant that attempts to make a point] or [flagrant
attempt to justify exploiting another's Intellectual Property] so the rest
of us can focus on the important bits? I've got some viruses to block and
I'd like to get back to discussing that.

dp






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