Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
auto responders are usefull to tell that you dont wanna work. answering machines are usefull when you dont wanna talk to an ex-wife or your mother-in-law On 5/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 10:31 AM 5/17/2006, Daniel T. Staal wrote: >On Wed, May 17, 2006 1:23 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > > > as opposed to annoying "copyright notifications" attached to email > > published to mailing lists, that state information that is wholey > > meaningless within the context of a publicly distributed mailing > > list, so therefore nothing more than junk bytes your forcing > > mailservers to digest? > >Read mine. ;) that's what i was referring to. it's nothing but junk bytes. it accomplishes nothing, and adds *no* useful information to the message. >Daniel T. Staal > >--- >This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you >are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use >the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will >expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, >whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of >local copyright law. >--- > >___ >http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html Paul Theodoropoulos http://www.anastrophe.com http://www.smileglobal.com http://www.forumgarden.com ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html -- - /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail . BSD: "Are you guys coming or what?" - ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Now OT - Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
On May 17, 2006, at 1:42 PM, Christopher X. Candreva wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006, Bart Silverstrim wrote: That's where you're both wrong. It's an extension to instant messaging. Why Really ? That's amazing, that email managed to be invented at least a decade before IM and still extended it. It was initially treated as a delayed instant messenger (ha!). Look at how people today use email and if you have schools where students use email, see if you can get access to some of those messages. They treat it just like an instant messaging client. I was looking at the way it was treated and applied, not what the technology was titled...look at how it's practically used now and you'll see the parallels. ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Now OT - Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
On Wed, 17 May 2006, Bart Silverstrim wrote: > That's where you're both wrong. It's an extension to instant messaging. Why Really ? That's amazing, that email managed to be invented at least a decade before IM and still extended it. > It's an EXCHANGE based world, people! C'mon and catch up to the rest of us > here, m'kay?? Wow - thanks ! Best laugh I had all day. Gotta clean my keyboard now though. == Chris Candreva -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
At 10:31 AM 5/17/2006, Daniel T. Staal wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2006 1:23 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > as opposed to annoying "copyright notifications" attached to email > published to mailing lists, that state information that is wholey > meaningless within the context of a publicly distributed mailing > list, so therefore nothing more than junk bytes your forcing > mailservers to digest? Read mine. ;) that's what i was referring to. it's nothing but junk bytes. it accomplishes nothing, and adds *no* useful information to the message. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html Paul Theodoropoulos http://www.anastrophe.com http://www.smileglobal.com http://www.forumgarden.com ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
On Wed, May 17, 2006 1:23 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > as opposed to annoying "copyright notifications" attached to email > published to mailing lists, that state information that is wholey > meaningless within the context of a publicly distributed mailing > list, so therefore nothing more than junk bytes your forcing > mailservers to digest? Read mine. ;) Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Now OT - Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
On May 17, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Daniel T. Staal wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2006 12:35 pm, Christopher X. Candreva said: On Wed, 17 May 2006, Daniel T. Staal wrote: These days, being out of the office, or town, or country, is no reason for you to not be able to get your email, if you felt you needed to. So, the only reason you aren't responding is that you don't want to. I would say the problem is people expecting e-mail to be treating like a voice conversation with an immediate response. If you call the office and get a human, they can tell you Joe is on vacation, someone else can help you. When people got voice mail boxes, they would put those messages there. E-mail supplimented the phone, and that same feature was expected. Yeah, that's probably a better summation. I never considered email a successor to the phone: I think of it as a successor to snail mail. But I can see how some could think of it that way. That's where you're both wrong. It's an extension to instant messaging. Why do you think so many people fail to craft email messages anymore, instead choosing to top-post some brain fart of two sentences at the top of a multipage email? It takes time to make email more readable. But people can't be bothered to stop and think about things like grammar, spelling, readability...little details like that. It's an EXCHANGE based world, people! C'mon and catch up to the rest of us here, m'kay?? ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
RE: Now OT - Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
Daniel T. Staal wrote: > > As for work email while I'm on vacation (to answer another reply > here): If you need to get a time-critial response to something about > my job and you don't already *know* I'm on vacation, there should be > a 'department' email address that you can send to, that anyone in the > department can answer. (Since if I had a major project that I was > handling with you I'd have told you I'm going to be out, and anything > else anyone in the department should be able to handle.) It might > not be your first thought, but it should be there. This is an issue for me as well since I do customer support. We have a department email address that I encourage everyone to use, but some of the customers still use my personal email address. So when I'm out for an extended period, I like to have an automatic reply letting them know that I'm not here to answer their question. I think the problem is more related to configuration. I have my vacation program set so that it will only send one reply per email address per day. It also ignores junk mail and messages with List-Id or "Precedence: bulk" headers. -- Bowie ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
At 09:27 AM 5/17/2006, Daniel T. Staal wrote: Luckily, my spam filter catches them. That's all they are, anyway. More spam. as opposed to annoying "copyright notifications" attached to email published to mailing lists, that state information that is wholey meaningless within the context of a publicly distributed mailing list, so therefore nothing more than junk bytes your forcing mailservers to digest? Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- Paul Theodoropoulos http://www.anastrophe.com http://www.smileglobal.com http://www.forumgarden.com ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
RE: Now OT - Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
> Subject: Re: Now OT - Re: Out of Office AutoReply: > On Wed, May 17, 2006 12:35 pm, Christopher X. Candreva said: > > On Wed, 17 May 2006, Daniel T. Staal wrote: > > > As for work email while I'm on vacation (to answer another > reply here): If you need to get a time-critial response to > something about my job and you don't already *know* I'm on > vacation, there should be a 'department' email address that > you can send to, that anyone in the department can answer. In my organisation - Met Police in London - you can set up another person with access rights to your email when you are away. Problem solved. Bob ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Now OT - Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
On Wed, May 17, 2006 12:35 pm, Christopher X. Candreva said: > On Wed, 17 May 2006, Daniel T. Staal wrote: > >> These days, being out of the office, or town, or country, is no reason >> for you to not be able to get your email, if you felt you needed to. >> So, the only reason you aren't responding is that you don't want to. > > I would say the problem is people expecting e-mail to be treating like a > voice conversation with an immediate response. > > If you call the office and get a human, they can tell you Joe is on > vacation, someone else can help you. When people got voice mail boxes, > they would put those messages there. E-mail supplimented the phone, and > that same feature was expected. Yeah, that's probably a better summation. I never considered email a successor to the phone: I think of it as a successor to snail mail. But I can see how some could think of it that way. As for work email while I'm on vacation (to answer another reply here): If you need to get a time-critial response to something about my job and you don't already *know* I'm on vacation, there should be a 'department' email address that you can send to, that anyone in the department can answer. (Since if I had a major project that I was handling with you I'd have told you I'm going to be out, and anything else anyone in the department should be able to handle.) It might not be your first thought, but it should be there. Or, pick up the phone. The person on the other end can ask you to email them details, if they are to complicated. But then you've fixed the time component. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
On May 17, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Jim Maul wrote: Daniel T. Staal wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2006 12:12 pm, Jim Maul said: If you are on a mail list such as this, think longer and harder than usual. Then don't do it. Right. That seems like an acceptable solution. Hell, why even have autoresponders at all then? I figure autoresponders are relics of the way email worked in the 80's. Back before spam, and email viri, and big mailing lists, and web-accessible email. These days, being out of the office, or town, or country, is no reason for you to not be able to get your email, if you felt you needed to. So, the only reason you aren't responding is that you don't want to. Yes, i certainly dont want to check my work email when i am on vacation. Apparently you feel otherwise. Some do, some don't. If communications are so important to you, you glance at your email when away. Otherwise, you put it off. Personally, if you didn't get back to me in time for something that is time-pressed, I'd try to find out why you hadn't replied by following up on a phone call. Why do you need to spam everyone sending some two-second mind fart inquiring about lunch meeting with a note telling the world that you're out until blah blah? If you must use such a feature, I think it should be limited to addresses within your business and/or people you frequently exchange mails with, like particular business contacts. Mailing lists don't need to know that you're out. You don't want to read your email while on vacation? You think the people who *aren't* on vacation want to read that you're out having fun while they're stuck emailing you about something? Does it autoreply to spam also? The fact that some email packages still have autoresponders is a misfeature, in my eyes. Perhaps we should eliminate answering machines then too? I mean hell, if they dont answer the phone, they must not be home. The purpose is still useful. It's a way of ensuring that your message will eventually be delivered to the person in question. Emailing you, assuming it arrived, means you'll eventually get the message. When you get back in, explain why it took so long, if it's any of my business in the first place. Eventually we will probably get rid of answering machines. Many phone companies offer the same feature on their side of the offices, and other places are using VOIP setups that will transfer your voicemail as a sound file to your email. I have a hard time believing it's so important to know that the out-of-office recipient GOT the email in the first place when we don't have the majority of email using "read receipt" outside of the private corporation. Even when I do get them, I have my mail program not reply. For some reason you find your vacation or business meeting that important that you splarch a reply just for that occasion..."Yes, I got your email, but you know what? I'm on a sunny beach! Away from email! For another ten days! Sorry! If you want, you can call this poor sucker to handle your problem at 555-x555!" I mean really, do you set your Out-Of-Office responder to go off when you leave for the day? Or just when you want to trumpet that your life is momentarily better while the rest of the working stiff's lives still suck? Luckily, my spam filter catches them. That's all they are, anyway. More spam. Spam is unsolicited. If you send a message to a mailing list and dont expect a reply, why even bother sending your message? Um...because an out-of-office reply isn't a *useful* reply? "Hey, I'd help ya, but I'm on VACATION!!" Do you send an email to a business and expect (and deserve) fifty promotional emails to come back at you because you asked a question? ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
> > Daniel T. Staal wrote: > > On Wed, May 17, 2006 12:12 pm, Jim Maul said: > > > > The fact that some email packages still have autoresponders is a > > misfeature, in my eyes. > > > > Perhaps we should eliminate answering machines then too? I mean hell, > if they dont answer the phone, they must not be home. This is not analogous - answering machines don't call you back to tell you the party you called is out. dp ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
Daniel T. Staal wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2006 12:12 pm, Jim Maul said: If you are on a mail list such as this, think longer and harder than usual. Then don't do it. Right. That seems like an acceptable solution. Hell, why even have autoresponders at all then? I figure autoresponders are relics of the way email worked in the 80's. Back before spam, and email viri, and big mailing lists, and web-accessible email. These days, being out of the office, or town, or country, is no reason for you to not be able to get your email, if you felt you needed to. So, the only reason you aren't responding is that you don't want to. Yes, i certainly dont want to check my work email when i am on vacation. Apparently you feel otherwise. The fact that some email packages still have autoresponders is a misfeature, in my eyes. Perhaps we should eliminate answering machines then too? I mean hell, if they dont answer the phone, they must not be home. Luckily, my spam filter catches them. That's all they are, anyway. More spam. Spam is unsolicited. If you send a message to a mailing list and dont expect a reply, why even bother sending your message? -Jim ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Now OT - Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
On Wed, 17 May 2006, Daniel T. Staal wrote: > These days, being out of the office, or town, or country, is no reason for > you to not be able to get your email, if you felt you needed to. So, the > only reason you aren't responding is that you don't want to. I would say the problem is people expecting e-mail to be treating like a voice conversation with an immediate response. If you call the office and get a human, they can tell you Joe is on vacation, someone else can help you. When people got voice mail boxes, they would put those messages there. E-mail supplimented the phone, and that same feature was expected. The fact that Microsoft implemented auto-responders completely broken and has never fixed it doesn't stop /usr/bin/vacation from being very usefull. -Chris == Chris Candreva -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
On Wed, May 17, 2006 12:12 pm, Jim Maul said: >> If you are on a mail list such as this, think longer >> and harder than usual. Then don't do it. > > Right. That seems like an acceptable solution. Hell, why even have > autoresponders at all then? I figure autoresponders are relics of the way email worked in the 80's. Back before spam, and email viri, and big mailing lists, and web-accessible email. These days, being out of the office, or town, or country, is no reason for you to not be able to get your email, if you felt you needed to. So, the only reason you aren't responding is that you don't want to. The fact that some email packages still have autoresponders is a misfeature, in my eyes. Luckily, my spam filter catches them. That's all they are, anyway. More spam. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
Dennis Peterson wrote: Wiltshire, Michael wrote: I am currently out of office and will return on Wednesday 31st May 2006 . Please report any urgent matters to the help desk at 4008, or the computer room at 6013. People - please think long and hard before enabling broken auto-responders. Like users of the autoresponder know if it is broken or not. If you are on a mail list such as this, think longer and harder than usual. Then don't do it. Right. That seems like an acceptable solution. Hell, why even have autoresponders at all then? What ever you do, don't put useless internal phone numbers in a message that is going to be sent to the world at large unless you want to look like an idiot. This i actually agree with. -Jim ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [Clamav-users] Question About Quarantine
Wiltshire, Michael wrote: I am currently out of office and will return on Wednesday 31st May 2006 . Please report any urgent matters to the help desk at 4008, or the computer room at 6013. People - please think long and hard before enabling broken auto-responders. If you are on a mail list such as this, think longer and harder than usual. Then don't do it. What ever you do, don't put useless internal phone numbers in a message that is going to be sent to the world at large unless you want to look like an idiot. dp ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
