Room for more block ciphers?

2006-05-31 Thread Morgon Kanter
Hello,

Somewhat recently, the gnu-crypto project got merged into Classpath. As 
I live in a cave underground and only come out once every few months, I 
was unaware of this and working on a few new block cipher 
implementations for gnu-crypto, using their old CVS sources.

The old homepage of gnu-crypto said that they were looking for someone 
to add in the NESSIE phase 2 algorithms; this hasn't been done yet, 
from what I see in both the gnu-crypto and classpath CVS. I'd be happy 
to write implementations of these, but the obvious question is: would 
these, and other, new block ciphers even be wanted in Classpath? It 
looks like all of gnu-crypto was merged in, but the merge announcement 
contains the following:

"[W]e would entertain reviving GNU Crypto if someone wanted to continue 
developing it for other purposes (that is, if you have a use for GNU 
Crypto outside of Classpath's more narrow goal of completing its JCE 
providers)"

Which implies that further ciphers wouldn't be wanted or needed for 
Classpath. So, yes, my question is: would new block ciphers be wanted 
in Classpath?

Thanks.
-- Morgon



Re: Room for more block ciphers?

2006-06-01 Thread Raif S. Naffah
hello Morgon,

On Wednesday 31 May 2006 21:59, Morgon Kanter wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Somewhat recently, the gnu-crypto project got merged into Classpath.
> As I live in a cave underground and only come out once every few
> months, I was unaware of this and working on a few new block cipher
> implementations for gnu-crypto, using their old CVS sources.
>
> The old homepage of gnu-crypto said that they were looking for
> someone to add in the NESSIE phase 2 algorithms; this hasn't been
> done yet, from what I see in both the gnu-crypto and classpath CVS.
> I'd be happy to write implementations of these, but the obvious
> question is: would these, and other, new block ciphers even be wanted
> in Classpath? It looks like all of gnu-crypto was merged in, but the
> merge announcement contains the following:
>
> "[W]e would entertain reviving GNU Crypto if someone wanted to
> continue developing it for other purposes (that is, if you have a use
> for GNU Crypto outside of Classpath's more narrow goal of completing
> its JCE providers)"
>
> Which implies that further ciphers wouldn't be wanted or needed for
> Classpath. So, yes, my question is: would new block ciphers be wanted
> in Classpath?

i for one wouldn't be against adding new ciphers, especially the "focus" 
candidates in the eSTREAM project.


cheers;
rsn


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Re: Room for more block ciphers?

2006-06-01 Thread Robert Schuster
Hi Morgon,
GNU Classpath aims to be not only a replacement for the proprietary Java class
libraries but eventually wants to be technically better. In regard to your
question this means if we can provide more block ciphers out of the box than the
JDK does then this is appreciated.

Mark? Tom?

cya
Robert

Morgon Kanter wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Somewhat recently, the gnu-crypto project got merged into Classpath. As 
> I live in a cave underground and only come out once every few months, I 
> was unaware of this and working on a few new block cipher 
> implementations for gnu-crypto, using their old CVS sources.
> 
> The old homepage of gnu-crypto said that they were looking for someone 
> to add in the NESSIE phase 2 algorithms; this hasn't been done yet, 
> from what I see in both the gnu-crypto and classpath CVS. I'd be happy 
> to write implementations of these, but the obvious question is: would 
> these, and other, new block ciphers even be wanted in Classpath? It 
> looks like all of gnu-crypto was merged in, but the merge announcement 
> contains the following:
> 
> "[W]e would entertain reviving GNU Crypto if someone wanted to continue 
> developing it for other purposes (that is, if you have a use for GNU 
> Crypto outside of Classpath's more narrow goal of completing its JCE 
> providers)"
> 
> Which implies that further ciphers wouldn't be wanted or needed for 
> Classpath. So, yes, my question is: would new block ciphers be wanted 
> in Classpath?
> 
> Thanks.
> -- Morgon
> 
> 


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Re: Room for more block ciphers?

2006-06-01 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 12:24 +0200, Robert Schuster wrote:
> GNU Classpath aims to be not only a replacement for the proprietary Java class
> libraries but eventually wants to be technically better. In regard to your
> question this means if we can provide more block ciphers out of the box than 
> the
> JDK does then this is appreciated.
> 
> Mark?

Most certainly! As Raif already said there are very interesting and
useful ciphers which could help a lot of people. And even if certain
ciphers aren't used that much it is always nice to have them in our
toolbox in case you happen to need them for some special case.

Cheers,

Mark


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