Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-09 Thread Linuxhippy


[1]
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/javatutorial/jfc.html
[2] http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/index.html
[3] http://manning.spindoczine.com/sbe/
Hmm, al the links seem to be very useful, especally the last!

Thx Clemens



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Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-09 Thread Dalibor Topic

--- Brian Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dalibor Topic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > --- Linuxhippy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Btw.: Does anybody know good tutorials about the
> > > swing-internals, 
> > > because its not allowed to look at sun-sources,
> its
> > > for a newbie like me 
> > > quite hard to work only with apidoc.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I'm not aware of an offer of
> similar
> > quality like the 'Java Class Libraries' by Chen
> et.
> > al. for SWING.
> > 
> > There is Sun's Swing tutorial [1], which provides
> a
> > reasonable overview of how the things are supposed
> to
> > be used.
> > 
> > You can read some interesting articles on SWING on
> the
> > SWING connection [2].
> > 
> > The apparently rather good Swing book by Robinson
> and
> > Vorobiev is avaliable online [3].
> > 
> > hope this helps,
> > dalibor topic
> > 
> > [1]
> >
> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/javatutorial/jfc.html
> > [2]
> http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/index.html
> > [3] http://manning.spindoczine.com/sbe/
> 
> O'Reilly's Swing book offers a little insight into
> the internals of
> Swing, it does talk about making your own L&F.
> 

Talking about books, I've browsed the 'Pure JFC Swing'
book, and while the examples are quite nice and well
commented, the author decided to kill a few trees in
order to waste a few hundred pages on a compacted
reprint of Sun's SWING API docs. That's why I can't
recommend it. Half of the book is dead paperweight. ;)

cheers,
dalibor topic

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Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-08 Thread Brian Jones
Dalibor Topic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> --- Linuxhippy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Btw.: Does anybody know good tutorials about the
> > swing-internals, 
> > because its not allowed to look at sun-sources, its
> > for a newbie like me 
> > quite hard to work only with apidoc.
> 
> Unfortunately, I'm not aware of an offer of similar
> quality like the 'Java Class Libraries' by Chen et.
> al. for SWING.
> 
> There is Sun's Swing tutorial [1], which provides a
> reasonable overview of how the things are supposed to
> be used.
> 
> You can read some interesting articles on SWING on the
> SWING connection [2].
> 
> The apparently rather good Swing book by Robinson and
> Vorobiev is avaliable online [3].
> 
> hope this helps,
> dalibor topic
> 
> [1]
> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/javatutorial/jfc.html
> [2] http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/index.html
> [3] http://manning.spindoczine.com/sbe/

O'Reilly's Swing book offers a little insight into the internals of
Swing, it does talk about making your own L&F.

Brian
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Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-08 Thread Dalibor Topic

--- Linuxhippy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Btw.: Does anybody know good tutorials about the
> swing-internals, 
> because its not allowed to look at sun-sources, its
> for a newbie like me 
> quite hard to work only with apidoc.

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of an offer of similar
quality like the 'Java Class Libraries' by Chen et.
al. for SWING.

There is Sun's Swing tutorial [1], which provides a
reasonable overview of how the things are supposed to
be used.

You can read some interesting articles on SWING on the
SWING connection [2].

The apparently rather good Swing book by Robinson and
Vorobiev is avaliable online [3].

hope this helps,
dalibor topic

[1]
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/javatutorial/jfc.html
[2] http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/index.html
[3] http://manning.spindoczine.com/sbe/


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Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-08 Thread Linuxhippy
Hi there!

Btw, you can have access to Classpath's CVS after we've taken care of
assignment paperwork.  How does that sound?
Sounds also good too, puh its time for learnin CVS.

@SWING:
I looked at the sources of Classpath today, and puh, it seems harder 
than i thought first.
Maybe I didnt say it before, I'm not so experienced with swing, I spent 
most time playing with native peers.

So please do not expect "Great, this guy will solve all our problems".
I'm not an very experienced coder , but I love OpenSource-Software 
(althought i dont understand those gnu or nothing people) and I want to 
give my best. I'm now 17 and starting with June15th there are now more 
tests at school, which means really hard coding time.

So please be not angry, if anything doesnt work like expected, I'll give 
my best, and I promise to work hard!

Btw.: Does anybody know good tutorials about the swing-internals, 
because its not allowed to look at sun-sources, its for a newbie like me 
quite hard to work only with apidoc.

Thanks for all,
cu Clemens


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Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-08 Thread Per Bothner
Brian Jones wrote:
Clemens Eisserer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Ey Clemens, do you have some shared webspace somewhere? Want to work
together on this? Otherwise we'd be working in parallel on the same
areas: waste of time.
Hmmm, what do you think about soureforge?


Btw, you can have access to Classpath's CVS after we've taken care of
assignment paperwork.  How does that sound?
We want to avoid sourceforge, especially for GNU projects.
Better to use savannah.gnu.org (not just for GNU projects).
> Btw, you can have access to Classpath's CVS after we've taken care of
> assignment paperwork.  How does that sound?
Which sounds like the best solution.
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Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-08 Thread Brian Jones
Clemens Eisserer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > Ey Clemens, do you have some shared webspace somewhere? Want to work
> > together on this? Otherwise we'd be working in parallel on the same
> > areas: waste of time.
>
> Hmmm, what do you think about soureforge?

Btw, you can have access to Classpath's CVS after we've taken care of
assignment paperwork.  How does that sound?

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Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-08 Thread Sascha Brawer
Artur Biesiadowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:03:57 +0100:

>Sun uses DirectX on windows platform, with more or less success, but it 
>does NOT use opengl - and certainly not this specific implementation 
>(GL4Java).

However, there exists a library which allows the Sun Java 2D
implementation to run on top of OpenGL (using GL4Java). See http://
www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/agile2d/

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Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-08 Thread Artur Biesiadowski
Dhek Bhun Kho wrote:

(I saw a stack trace last night on the usenet. Note: it seems the SunVM
is using GL4Java in the 1.4 jdk (or is that old news? It is no real
importance to get Swing implemented)
How have you came to conclusion that SunVM actually uses GL4Java ? There 
is no such point in this stack trace which hints about this - even if 
there would be, I would expect that given person has replaced awt 
toolkit by hand.

Sun uses DirectX on windows platform, with more or less success, but it 
does NOT use opengl - and certainly not this specific implementation 
(GL4Java).

Artur



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Re: Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-08 Thread Clemens Eisserer
Hi!
Hi!

> So the best bet would be starting off getting all the funny parts of the
> JComponent to work on a JDK 1.1 reference implementation? (Again I can
> be a complete moron now and then). I hope get to start some coding at
> the end of this week.
I used a jdk1.2 where I removed all the swing-stuff out of the JDK.
Because jdk1.1 doesnt support inner classes which are used in swing-programs.

> Ey Clemens, do you have some shared webspace somewhere? Want to work
> together on this? Otherwise we'd be working in parallel on the same
> areas: waste of time.
Hmmm, what do you think about soureforge?

> (I saw a stack trace last night on the usenet. Note: it seems the SunVM
> is using GL4Java in the 1.4 jdk (or is that old news? It is no real
> importance to get Swing implemented)
Hmm, I thought a bit about that. 
I think its better we do it normal on the top of awt-drawing-functions, otherwise we 
need to implement a lightweight awt

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Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-08 Thread Dhek Bhun Kho
Op vr 07-03-2003, om 18:52 schreef Tom Tromey:

> Clemens> My questions is, if it would be a problem to contribute to
> Clemens> classpath, when the contributed code doesnt work with
> Clemens> classpath alone.
> 
> Provided that the code is using the documented AWT API, I don't
> think there is a problem if it doesn't run using the Classpath AWT.

So the best bet would be starting off getting all the funny parts of the
JComponent to work on a JDK 1.1 reference implementation? (Again I can
be a complete moron now and then). I hope get to start some coding at
the end of this week.

Ey Clemens, do you have some shared webspace somewhere? Want to work
together on this? Otherwise we'd be working in parallel on the same
areas: waste of time.

(I saw a stack trace last night on the usenet. Note: it seems the SunVM
is using GL4Java in the 1.4 jdk (or is that old news? It is no real
importance to get Swing implemented)


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Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-07 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Clemens" == Clemens Eisserer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Clemens> My questions is, if it would be a problem to contribute to
Clemens> classpath, when the contributed code doesnt work with
Clemens> classpath alone.

Provided that the code is using the documented AWT API, I don't
think there is a problem if it doesn't run using the Classpath AWT.

Ideally the code would compile when using Classpath as the base library.
Even that is negotiable.

Tom


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Re: Re: Re: Want to help in integrating swing. Really last question.

2003-03-07 Thread Clemens Eisserer
Hi there!

> I'd recommend using Sun's AWT, if you want to focus on
> writing a SWING implementation, and using Classpath's
> AWT if you want to focus in improving the state of AWT
> support in Classpath first.
My questions is, if it would be a problem  to contribute to classpath, when the 
contributed code doesnt work with classpath alone. I definitive want to write only 
swing, awt is to complex for me (I'm not a really good code) with all its peers, etc.
I also think it would be better to work first with Sun-AWT because on this way I dont 
need to ship arround bugs, which would maybe cause the code ditry. 

Sorry for my nerving, thanks for your patience!!

Mfg Clemens




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