Re: Inconsistent clojure spec forms?

2017-01-19 Thread Alex Miller
I'd say that's a bug in s/nilable (and I wrote it, so I'll take the blame 
:). 

I created a ticket and a patch here: 
http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-2100

On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 11:35:47 AM UTC-6, 
marian.hor...@vacuumlabs.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> this sequence of commands in Clojure 1.9.0-alpha14 suprised me:
>
> => (clojure.spec/def :test/name string?)
> :test/name
>
> => (clojure.spec/form (clojure.spec/and :test/name))
> (clojure.spec/and :test/name)
>
> => (clojure.spec/form (clojure.spec/nilable :test/name))
> (clojure.spec/nilable clojure.core/string?)
>
> Is there any reason, why *clojure.spec/**nilable *resolves the keywords 
> in its form and *clojure.spec/and* does not? If I understand it 
> correctly, the keywords are resolved explicitly by the line (let [pf (res 
> pred)].
>
> In the following paragraph I'll try to explain, why this bothers me. We 
> are developing the API that will be used by external applications. To 
> validate input data, we decided to use the clojure specs, that serves this 
> purpose perfectly. However, we would like to reuse our definitions to 
> generate specifications in other languages like Swagger or JSON Schema. 
> Using *clojure.spec/form* we were able to detructuralize the spec and 
> translate it. It is not a surprise that there were some specs that cannot 
> be translated automatically. The best solution is to associate the 
> registered keyword of the unsupported spec with the valid translation. The 
> occurence of *clojure.spec/**nilable* (or, for example, *clojure.spec/def*) 
> then looses the information about the keywords it was used on and therefore 
> the translation is incorrect.
>
> Do you think it is a good idea to translate the specs to the other data 
> specification languages? Is so, is there a better way to do it?
>
> Generally, I think that registering a spec to keyword gives some context 
> to it - at least the name. It is a shame to throw this information away.
>
> Thanks for your time,
> Marián
>
>

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Inconsistent clojure spec forms?

2017-01-19 Thread marian . hornak
Hi,

this sequence of commands in Clojure 1.9.0-alpha14 suprised me:

=> (clojure.spec/def :test/name string?)
:test/name

=> (clojure.spec/form (clojure.spec/and :test/name))
(clojure.spec/and :test/name)

=> (clojure.spec/form (clojure.spec/nilable :test/name))
(clojure.spec/nilable clojure.core/string?)

Is there any reason, why *clojure.spec/**nilable *resolves the keywords in 
its form and *clojure.spec/and* does not? If I understand it correctly, the 
keywords are resolved explicitly by the line (let [pf (res pred)].

In the following paragraph I'll try to explain, why this bothers me. We are 
developing the API that will be used by external applications. To validate 
input data, we decided to use the clojure specs, that serves this purpose 
perfectly. However, we would like to reuse our definitions to generate 
specifications in other languages like Swagger or JSON Schema. Using 
*clojure.spec/form* we were able to detructuralize the spec and translate 
it. It is not a surprise that there were some specs that cannot be 
translated automatically. The best solution is to associate the registered 
keyword of the unsupported spec with the valid translation. The occurence 
of *clojure.spec/**nilable* (or, for example, *clojure.spec/def*) then 
looses the information about the keywords it was used on and therefore the 
translation is incorrect.

Do you think it is a good idea to translate the specs to the other data 
specification languages? Is so, is there a better way to do it?

Generally, I think that registering a spec to keyword gives some context to 
it - at least the name. It is a shame to throw this information away.

Thanks for your time,
Marián

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Re: component dependency cleanup problem

2017-01-19 Thread Jochen
Hi Sean…

thanks a lot, indeed, this is a good hint :-). 

Does not affect the stop strangeness, however.
I had a quick look into the code, namely update-system-reverse, and it 
looks to me like the deps update is a no-op here as the update code in the 
reduce is the same as in the is the update-system (forward).
If one is really interested in fixing the deps (who uses stopped 
components, anyway ;-), a second pass with 
  (alter-var-root #'my-system component/update-system (keys my-system) 
identity)
fixes it.

An inline fix is non trivial as it IMHO requires a 
assoc-dependencies-reverse function.

Ciao

…Jochen

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