Re: off-topic: stackof developer survey
On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 5:17:15 PM UTC-5, Gregg Reynolds wrote: > > > > On Mar 24, 2017 5:05 PM, > wrote: > > > > > This did get me thinking though. If the community *did* want to score > highly > > on some of these metrics, what would those be? > > I'll be happy so long as Clojure is the popular choice for doing the > things where it's advantages should matter: machine learning, AI, NLP, > concurrent programming. > > It drives me crazy that Python is doing so well in all of the areas where > Clojure should be winning. There are such beautiful libraries for working > with vectors and matrices with Clojure, which should obviously help with > NLP, yet people use Python instead. Likewise, so much of machine learning > should be done as work in parallel, and Clojure makes that easy, yet Python > is preferred. Drives me crazy. > > > doesn't drive me mad, but it does puzzle ans annoy me. puzzle: why is it? > not sure, personally. > > > These last few years I've been at a lot of NLP startups, and the choice of > Python makes me sad. > > I thought that Python had a big head start. Is that incorrect? OO is still dominant, overall, and FP requires a big transition. If you're a Java programmer, which is a more natural choice? Python or Clojure? Sure, Clojure is more closely tied to the JVM, but you don't write JVM code. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Off-Topic] Does Clojure have relations with this site?
> Wow, looks like pretty brazen theft of the Clojure logo. Or alternativelly: the idea of "ownership" might be simply overrated. Especially so when it comes to intelectual property. The real reason why things get stolen or - when talking about programms - hacks is not because there are ugly people out there, but because they can be stolen or hacked. Give up the idea of ownership, i.e. make your ideas open source and they won't be stolen. Prove your programms to be mathematically correct and they won't be hacked. 2017-03-24 18:53 GMT+01:00 David Della Costa : > Wow, looks like pretty brazen theft of the Clojure logo. > > This company appears to be based in Singapore, but targeting Japanese folks > interested in Chinese-language learning. > > http://www.chinese-semi.com/about.php > > > > > > 2017-03-24 10:40 GMT-04:00 Nobuyuki Inaba : >> >> Hi, >> >> I had just found a site ( http://www.chinese-semi.com/optin/ ) today. >> This site is Chinese free mail magazine site. >> The site seems to use Clojure logo. Does Clojure have relations with the >> site? >> >> Please let me know if anyone knows about it. >> >> Best regards, >> Nobuyuki Inaba >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: off-topic: stackof developer survey
On Mar 24, 2017 5:05 PM, wrote: > This did get me thinking though. If the community *did* want to score highly > on some of these metrics, what would those be? I'll be happy so long as Clojure is the popular choice for doing the things where it's advantages should matter: machine learning, AI, NLP, concurrent programming. It drives me crazy that Python is doing so well in all of the areas where Clojure should be winning. There are such beautiful libraries for working with vectors and matrices with Clojure, which should obviously help with NLP, yet people use Python instead. Likewise, so much of machine learning should be done as work in parallel, and Clojure makes that easy, yet Python is preferred. Drives me crazy. doesn't drive me mad, but it does puzzle ans annoy me. puzzle: why is it? not sure, personally. These last few years I've been at a lot of NLP startups, and the choice of Python makes me sad. On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 7:17:10 PM UTC-4, Luke Burton wrote: > > On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Gregg Reynolds wrote: > > very interesting stuff, esp. the sociological bits: > > http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017 > > sadly, clojure does not even rank in popularity. but it's number 1 in pay > worldwide. o sweet vengeance! > > > Some fun reading in there, Clojure features a couple of times. It would be > fun to watch for spikes in traffic to Clojure related resources, because > I'm sure that landing "most highly paid" will cause a few people to sit up > and take notice. > > This did get me thinking though. If the community *did* want to score > highly on some of these metrics, what would those be? Or do none of them > adequately capture what is valued by the Clojure community? > > I think I'd claim that popularity is a terrible metric, even though it can > be gratifying to be popular. The fact that lots of people do a particular > thing doesn't mean that thing is inherently good, or worth striving for. > Some very popular things are bad lifestyle choices, like smoking, a diet > high in sugary foods, and writing JavaScript. > > Conversely some very, very good things can die from even the perception of > being unpopular. We often get people asking on the subreddit why they find > so many "abandoned" libraries in Clojure. The fact a piece of software > might have been written years ago, and still be perfectly usable, is such > an anomaly in more "popular" languages that people assume we've all curled > up and died. I recently had a project steered away from Clojure (suffice to > say it was a very good fit, I thought) due to concerns around the > availability of Clojure programmers in the long term. In Silicon Valley. > Where you can throw a rock in the air and be certain it will hit a > programmer on the way down. > > Anyway, my personal metric for Clojure success would be: "for projects > where Clojure is an appropriate technical fit, how often are you able to > choose Clojure?" It's a selfish metric but the higher it goes, the happier > I am ;) > > Luke. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: off-topic: stackof developer survey
> This did get me thinking though. If the community *did* want to score highly > on some of these metrics, what would those be? I'll be happy so long as Clojure is the popular choice for doing the things where it's advantages should matter: machine learning, AI, NLP, concurrent programming. It drives me crazy that Python is doing so well in all of the areas where Clojure should be winning. There are such beautiful libraries for working with vectors and matrices with Clojure, which should obviously help with NLP, yet people use Python instead. Likewise, so much of machine learning should be done as work in parallel, and Clojure makes that easy, yet Python is preferred. Drives me crazy. These last few years I've been at a lot of NLP startups, and the choice of Python makes me sad. On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 7:17:10 PM UTC-4, Luke Burton wrote: > > > On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Gregg Reynolds > wrote: > > very interesting stuff, esp. the sociological bits: > > http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017 > > sadly, clojure does not even rank in popularity. but it's number 1 in pay > worldwide. o sweet vengeance! > > > Some fun reading in there, Clojure features a couple of times. It would be > fun to watch for spikes in traffic to Clojure related resources, because > I'm sure that landing "most highly paid" will cause a few people to sit up > and take notice. > > This did get me thinking though. If the community *did* want to score > highly on some of these metrics, what would those be? Or do none of them > adequately capture what is valued by the Clojure community? > > I think I'd claim that popularity is a terrible metric, even though it can > be gratifying to be popular. The fact that lots of people do a particular > thing doesn't mean that thing is inherently good, or worth striving for. > Some very popular things are bad lifestyle choices, like smoking, a diet > high in sugary foods, and writing JavaScript. > > Conversely some very, very good things can die from even the perception of > being unpopular. We often get people asking on the subreddit why they find > so many "abandoned" libraries in Clojure. The fact a piece of software > might have been written years ago, and still be perfectly usable, is such > an anomaly in more "popular" languages that people assume we've all curled > up and died. I recently had a project steered away from Clojure (suffice to > say it was a very good fit, I thought) due to concerns around the > availability of Clojure programmers in the long term. In Silicon Valley. > Where you can throw a rock in the air and be certain it will hit a > programmer on the way down. > > Anyway, my personal metric for Clojure success would be: "for projects > where Clojure is an appropriate technical fit, how often are you able to > choose Clojure?" It's a selfish metric but the higher it goes, the happier > I am ;) > > Luke. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Off-Topic] Does Clojure have relations with this site?
Wow, looks like pretty brazen theft of the Clojure logo. This company appears to be based in Singapore, but targeting Japanese folks interested in Chinese-language learning. http://www.chinese-semi.com/about.php 2017-03-24 10:40 GMT-04:00 Nobuyuki Inaba : > Hi, > > I had just found a site ( http://www.chinese-semi.com/optin/ ) today. > This site is Chinese free mail magazine site. > The site seems to use Clojure logo. Does Clojure have relations with the > site? > > Please let me know if anyone knows about it. > > Best regards, > Nobuyuki Inaba > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Off-Topic] Does Clojure have relations with this site?
Hi, I had just found a site ( http://www.chinese-semi.com/optin/ ) today. This site is Chinese free mail magazine site. The site seems to use Clojure logo. Does Clojure have relations with the site? Please let me know if anyone knows about it. Best regards, Nobuyuki Inaba -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
