Re: clojure.string/capitalize API
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Pierre Allix pierre.allix.w...@gmail.comwrote: I think it does not follow principle of least astonishment. I would have expected to convert only the first character. Moreover converting the other characters make the function almost useless, I for instance had this string to capitalize: Fro that principle, who is the least astonished who is it based on? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Best practices for java libraries
Sounds like a good candidate for the Clojure documentation project. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Mikera mike.r.anderson...@gmail.comwrote: Some thoughts from various Java libraries I have wrapped: - Normal functions are generally best for wrapping - It can often make sense to have a protocol that dispatched on the type of the Java object and/or clojure params for polymorphism and extension. Your public functions should often call the protocol functions (after applying any defaults / validation / argument re-ordering etc.) - It can make sense to turn mutable Java APIs into immutable Clojure ones in some cases. Depends on whether the Java API allows this and how much you care about performance. - Try to type hint with interfaces or abstract base classes only. It gets messy if you start making special cases for specific concrete types, and is probably a sign of incoherent design if you feel you need to do this. Best to figure out the small set of Java abstractions that you want your API to work with / expose and stick to functions that maipulate these. - Ensure you have zero reflection warnings. Apart from the performance cost, they are usually a sign of a logic error. - I usually find the need for a few constructor functions to handle different use cases. Not sure that having a 1-arg constructor from a map is the best low level option - this will depend on the Java API. Often a 0-3 arg constructor, a clone constructor or one that takes a ListObject seem to be the most common. If there are a lot of options, I'd tend to make these keyword params. - Keyword args are your friend - they often translate to setXXX or addXXX calls in a Java API and enable you to wrap quite a lot of complexity as extra parameters to one function. I think these are better than map parameters on average, YMMV. On Monday, 10 December 2012 13:21:09 UTC+8, Michael Grubb wrote: I've been searching for some best practices when it comes to wrapping existing Java libraries to make them more clojurized. Unfortunately I've not found much. While I know enough to make something that works for me, I'd like to write it in such a manner that it can be used (and read) by others and not make them cringe in doing so. My first attempt was to simply write function wrappers around the java interop calls. This worked fine and was maintainable. Then I discovered 'lein check' and saw a whole lot of warnings about reflection. This led me to my second attempts. This time I wrote multimethods to dispatch on type of arguments and in each defmethod argument list I gave type hints for each argument. This indeed resolved the reflection warnings, but I fear that the resulting code is rather messy and not too pleasant to read either. This made me wonder if all the type checking I'm doing in the multimethod dispatch function isn't just as bad as the reflection that would take place. For my purposes and this particular library I'm not really concerned with performance, yet someone else may be. Can anyone offer me some advice on how best to approach a project like this? Kind regards, Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- Grant Rettke | ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE gret...@acm.org | http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ Wisdom begins in wonder. ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
parenface support in clojure (parenface-plus)
Here[1] is an enhancement to parenface[2] that adds support for the editor and REPL for Clojure, Jess, and Elisp. 1 http://marmalade-repo.org/packages/parenface-plus 2 http://marmalade-repo.org/packages/parenface -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure raytracing scene description language
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Mikera mike.r.anderson...@gmail.com wrote: Any thoughts / ideas / feedback? What if you try keeping it pretty close to the current POV syntax/format? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Coming from Common Lisp to Clojure
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: Clojure feels like a VERY simple language with almost no syntax. Having recently read more Scheme / CL code, I can see how folks coming from those languages think Clojure is cluttered. Why do they think it is cluttered? What does that mean? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Replacing nested let statements with assignments
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:11 AM, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM, JvJ kfjwhee...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure if anyone's done this before, but I'm fed up with writing code that looks like this: What problem does this solve given you can do the following? (let [a 1 _ (println a) b 2 _ (println b) c 3 _ (println c)] ...) -1 to using a binding form to do sequencing. That said, not sure what is better! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Replacing nested let statements with assignments
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Alan Malloy a...@malloys.org wrote: It's rare to get tired of this, because nobody does it: it's not common because your interleaved statements are side-effecting only, which is not encouraged in Clojure, and rarely needed. Certainly sometimes it's the best way to do something, but not so often that I'd become frustrated; if anything, having to write such irritating code can serve as a good reminder that I shouldn't have so many unrestrained side effects scattered through my logic. It isn't side effecting it is sequencing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Replacing nested let statements with assignments
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Grant Rettke gret...@acm.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:11 AM, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM, JvJ kfjwhee...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure if anyone's done this before, but I'm fed up with writing code that looks like this: What problem does this solve given you can do the following? (let [a 1 _ (println a) b 2 _ (println b) c 3 _ (println c)] ...) -1 to using a binding form to do sequencing. That said, not sure what is better! David so as not to be a total loser here is an alternative that is maybe the right way but also maybe the very wrong way! (- ((fn [] (let [a 1] (println this is a: a) a))) ((fn [a] (let [b 2] (println this is b: b) (list a b ((fn [[a b]] (let [c 3] (println this is c: c) (println Sum: (+ a b c)) JvJ what is your verdict? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Replacing nested let statements with assignments
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:07 PM, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Grant Rettke gret...@acm.org wrote: (- ((fn [] (let [a 1] (println this is a: a) a))) ((fn [a] (let [b 2] (println this is b: b) (list a b ((fn [[a b]] (let [c 3] (println this is c: c) (println Sum: (+ a b c)) Why should you have to change the shape of your program to insert some debugging statements? Writing a macro like JvJ did or writing all of your code inside of a let statement like you did is also changing the shape of your program just to print debug statements isn't it? Sorry the way I understood the use case that you need to do something, anything, maybe some expensive, before doing the *next thing*, and same goes before the *next thing*. I didn't read it as inserting debug statements at all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Replacing nested let statements with assignments
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Ben Wolfson wolf...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Grant Rettke gret...@acm.org wrote: It isn't side effecting it is sequencing. Clojure's let is already sequential, like Scheme's let*: The bindings are sequential, so each binding can see the prior bindings. R5RS Scheme explicitly states that its let makes no guarantees about sequences. Understood but you don't write entire function definitions inside of a let block :). Then again I guess I misunderstood the use case, which is to just print debug information once in a while. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Replacing nested let statements with assignments
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Mark Engelberg mark.engelb...@gmail.com wrote: Either way works well. I think Evan's way results in somewhat more compact code for the common case, whereas Cgrand's way feels a little more versatile (and his flatter cond is what I use). I strongly urge you to pick one of these two techniques and include it in your project. Once you try it and see how much cleaner the code is, you'll be hooked. Is it poor form to do something like this inside a defn? (def a 1) (println this is a: a) (def b 2) (println this is b: b) (def c 3) (println this is c: c) (println Sum: (+ a b c)) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Replacing nested let statements with assignments
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:17 PM, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Grant Rettke gret...@acm.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Mark Engelberg mark.engelb...@gmail.com wrote: Either way works well. I think Evan's way results in somewhat more compact code for the common case, whereas Cgrand's way feels a little more versatile (and his flatter cond is what I use). I strongly urge you to pick one of these two techniques and include it in your project. Once you try it and see how much cleaner the code is, you'll be hooked. Is it poor form to do something like this inside a defn? (def a 1) (println this is a: a) (def b 2) (println this is b: b) (def c 3) (println this is c: c) (println Sum: (+ a b c)) very poor form. def is always top level. It is poor form in that it will break things in confusing and horrible ways or poor form from a style perspective? When you use def inside a defn is it equivalent to a let binding like this? (defn foo [] (def a 1) (println a)) (defn foo [] ((fn [a] (println a)) 1)) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Replacing nested let statements with assignments
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Grant Rettke gret...@acm.org wrote: When you use def inside a defn is it equivalent to a let binding like this? (defn foo [] (def a 1) (println a)) (defn foo [] ((fn [a] (println a)) 1)) Not equivalent. I see. To what is it equivalent? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Replacing nested let statements with assignments
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Mark Engelberg mark.engelb...@gmail.com wrote: A def, even inside defn, creates and binds a global variable. Woa, I see, thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Replacing nested let statements with assignments
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Grant Rettke gret...@acm.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Mark Engelberg mark.engelb...@gmail.com wrote: A def, even inside defn, creates and binds a global variable. Woa, I see, thanks! Anyone voted for internal define lately? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Replacing nested let statements with assignments
I figured you would use doto for that. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM, JvJ kfjwhee...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. Not only debugging, but java interop that involved calling methods with side effects. On Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:02:47 UTC-4, David Nolen wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Alan Malloy al...@malloys.org wrote: It's rare to get tired of this, because nobody does it: it's not common because your interleaved statements are side-effecting only, which is not encouraged in Clojure, and rarely needed. Certainly sometimes it's the best way to do something, but not so often that I'd become frustrated; if anything, having to write such irritating code can serve as a good reminder that I shouldn't have so many unrestrained side effects scattered through my logic. I think from the examples debugging via print statements was the main (and reasonable) use case. David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- Grant Rettke | ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE gret...@acm.org | http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ Wisdom begins in wonder. ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Replacing nested let statements with assignments
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:05 PM, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Grant Rettke gret...@acm.org wrote: Anyone voted for internal define lately? At this point I think it's highly unlikely to change - the behavior is pretty well documented: I see. Just a thought that an internal define not necessarily 'def' might be a nice idea for a lot of these cases, but then again hey it is lisp we can tweak it to our liking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: ANN clojure-doc.org (aka CDS), a new community-driven Clojure documentation site
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:50 PM, gaz jones gareth.e.jo...@gmail.com wrote: I have 3 blog posts I wrote to help some colleagues get up to speed with clojure / emacs: Looks great. You never know what is the best thing for everyone, so what works for you will probably work for others, too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Example of Tetris in Clojurescript.
Please port ultramasterdethris to clojurescript. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Timothy Washington twash...@gmail.com wrote: Oooh, I just got hooked on it for about 10 mins. Of course I was just testing it.. ahem :) Lots of fun !! Tim On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Andreas Liljeqvist bon...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Feel free to check out my Clojurescript Tetris at this location: http://clojure-tetris.herokuapp.com/ Github: https://github.com/bonega/tetris/tree/clojurescript Originally started as a swing application and later seesaw. I am very impressed with how easy it was adapting the codebase to clojurescript. Using crossover for sharing clojure code with the main branch. I really think that clojurescript could make a difference, but it depends on a whole lot of factors. Problems: The clojurescript compiler (or cljsbuild) often hangs and have to be restarted. Getting lein-cljsbuild to work right is a bit confusing for newcomers. Can I use production profile to choose build-target? Heroku's Foreman doesn't seem to compile crossover-cljs, but works fine when deploying. Thanks to the whole Clojure community for your hard work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Interest in Scribble for Clojure?
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Michael Fogus mefo...@gmail.com wrote: Any existing solutions or interest in something like this? There are no _public_ solutions as far as I know, So everyone has their private custom approaches I guess? I'm curious if people would share them. although I think it can be done fairly trivially (famous last words) lol using the existing ClojureScript compiler. Why? I'd love to see it done as an open source project. Agreed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Interest in Scribble for Clojure?
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Gary Johnson gwjoh...@uvm.edu wrote: A lot of scribble's features are geared towards providing tooling for Literate Programming, I didn't read into Scribble like it's goal was LP, but I could have missed that and not known enough about LP, too. and currently I'm way more than satisfied with org-babel. Interesting. Thanks folks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Slightly updated Clojure cheatsheet available
Thanks! On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Andy Fingerhut andy.finger...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't created an info format version of it, nor am I aware of anyone else who has. I have a Clojure program that starts from a data structure and generates LaTeX and HTML versions of the cheatsheet from that. It is available here: https://github.com/jafingerhut/clojure-cheatsheets/blob/master/src/clj-jvm/clojure-cheatsheet-generator.clj as part of this github repo: https://github.com/jafingerhut/clojure-cheatsheets If you are interested in modifying that to produce TeXinfo format, or info format directly, you are welcome to do so. I'm not sure I have the time or motivation to modify the program for that purpose, unless it is very similar to one of those. Andy On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Grant Rettke wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Andy Fingerhut andy.finger...@gmail.com wrote: The only changes since the previous version are to add a mention of *unchecked-math*, and Nice! Is there one in Info format out there? I can't find it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: *foo*
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Brian Craft craft.br...@gmail.com wrote: I know I saw an explanation of this on some obscure page, but I can't find it now. What's up with the symbols with stars at front end? http://mumble.net/~campbell/scheme/style.txt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: *foo*
Gosh I thought it was in there... maybe it is not. Sorry. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Grant Rettke gret...@acm.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Brian Craft craft.br...@gmail.com wrote: I know I saw an explanation of this on some obscure page, but I can't find it now. What's up with the symbols with stars at front end? http://mumble.net/~campbell/scheme/style.txt -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Interest in Scribble for Clojure?
Hi, Scribble is a DSL for Racket that lets you do some nice stuff for generating documentation. Examples and documentation are here: http://docs.racket-lang.org/scribble/ Any existing solutions or interest in something like this? The value-adds are that you have your in-code documentation executed and potentially unit tested, making it a very nice to know. Best wishes, Grant Rettke -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Slightly updated Clojure cheatsheet available
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Andy Fingerhut andy.finger...@gmail.com wrote: The only changes since the previous version are to add a mention of *unchecked-math*, and Nice! Is there one in Info format out there? I can't find it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Preferred business rules engines in or used by Clojure?
Hi, May you please share your experience or preferences for rules engines written in or used from Clojure? My goal is to: 1. Allow rule definitions separate from the code (though I view rule definitions as programming to be performed by the programmer). 2. Allow rules to be defined in modules. 3. Provide debugging features such that I may sit with a business user, and start with a particular scenario of data, and walk them through how the rules transform the data. The goal is to be able to answer questions from the business eg I didn't expect this result, why is it this way?. 4. Debugging. 5. Nice editing. 6. Find something nice for 3-9 month projects with 2-4 developers; in other words not looking for an enterprise system with licensing priced accordingly. 7. Any technology is an option because we can probably use it with some form of interop. 8. Find something that people use for real work for a long time. 9. Find something that costs not more than a thousand USD. 10. Find something that changes how you think, has materials to help change that, and gets you down the path of thinking about how to write system with rules engines rather than shoe-horn them into a corner. Best wishes, Grant -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: cli latency
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Brian Craft craft.br...@gmail.com wrote: The two second delay to... do anything... is making... me crazy. Although JRebel is for JEE, it seems like an interesting thing for a fast REPL. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Fast REPL restarts Re: Smarter code reloading with tools.namespace 0.2.0
REPL restarts are slow and costly, but the freshness they provide is obviously so valuable, too. Has anyone experimented with something like JRebel or some alternative to provide super-fast like fraction of a section REPL restarts? On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Stuart Sierra the.stuart.sie...@gmail.comwrote: Announcing... tools.namespace 0.2.0. Just released, it will reach Maven Central in a few hours. Short summary: reload code in the REPL with greater accuracy and awareness of dependencies. Full documentation in the README: https://github.com/clojure/tools.namespace This is my latest attempt at making REPL development more convenient, building on work that reaches back to Lazytest and some of my earliest contribs. It is hopefully a step towards Never Close a REPL: http://dev.clojure.org/display/design/Never+Close+a+REPL Have fun, let me know how it goes! -S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Regarding Starting Clojure
I loved Mathematica's documentation that had lovingly maintained by... in the sidebar or something to that effect. It was really apparent that the maintainer did lovingly maintain it. Can't seem to find it at the moment though. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Brent Millare brent.mill...@gmail.com wrote: lol, That is really awesome! I'm going to have to really read through the sources now. On Thursday, October 4, 2012 3:28:41 PM UTC-4, Fogus wrote: Here's one approach: Make a github of the code and content that runs the site. People fork and make pull requests. You talked me into it. https://github.com/fogus/www-readevalprintlove-org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: ANN: a Clojure docs site, and github organization
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Michael Fogus mefo...@gmail.com wrote: readevalprintlove looks like a fancy playground so far. You say that as if it's a bad thing. I'm of the opinion that these kinds of efforts should have a low barrier to contribution and be fun. It's difficult to motivate people to perform a thankless task, so it should seem like play as much as possible along the way. My co-workers and I were debating this at work the other day. My worldview is that it takes hard work to learn good things, but at the same time it can be fun and even brief. Kent Dybvig's _The Scheme Programming Language_ is a superb example. The other four developers said that I'm the 20% and that approach is too pedagogical, that you need to make everything constant entertainment. _Practical Common Lisp_ was cited as an example. I'm just glad there are options. I'm still looking for Clojure materials that go to this level of detail: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/eval-model.html#(part._module-phase) Since Clojure is all compiled immediately I assume it doesn't have phases other than macros compile first. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Regarding Starting Clojure
You guys are over-thinking it. Set up a new site, get users, tweak it, perfect it, it will become the defacto site, and you will make it really easy for Rich et al to make the switch :). It may take loads of hard and unappreciated labor though :(. That is why it has to be a labor of love. On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM, aboy021 arthur.bo...@gmail.com wrote: The general feeling seems to be that there is good content out there, but it would be nice if it were on Clojure.org, especially from the perspective of new users and promoting the language. The copyright on the site is to Rich Hickey, and the logo and site design are credited to Tom Hickey. Normally I'd try and contact them directly but it seems like Rich has got a lot of other (rather wonderful) things to keep himself busy, and I'm not sure how to contact Tom. A contribution process would be nice. I've heard it mooted that markdown files in a git repo might be a nice way of handling it. On Tuesday, 2 October 2012 14:07:56 UTC-5, nchurch wrote: Clojuredocs is already out there and quite good (though not modified much as of late). However, it doesn't show up very high on Google (not even on the first page for Clojure). There's also Learn Clojure, which has a clean design but hasn't been updated in a while (and also doesn't seem to have a Github link, so unsure how to contribute). It would be nice to see Clojure.org itself have a contribution process, not unlike Clojure itself. On Oct 2, 3:46 am, Yakovlev Roman felix...@gmail.com wrote: You can make your site with many examples and good documentation and maybe it will be at first place at google if it will have great value. A lot of people here will agree with that. Site could be better place to get started ! but old site still there. As far as i know there is a company behind Scala called TypeSafe and they got tons of money recently to make the lanugage more popular and attractive to newbie users. So maybe we see good main site and good web frameworks around Scala ( lift and play). So maybe Clojure also need something like this. Though Relevance company supports clojure somehow but i guess not enough for now. On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 1:13:49 AM UTC+4, aboy021 wrote: I decided to quickly compare the website experience of starting Clojure and starting Scala. I do a Google search for Clojure I decide to try the first link, Clojure.org There's some basic information. I follow the somewhat obscure link halfway down the side, Getting Started Ok, that looks promising, now I can get a REPL to interact with. I follow the link to the Getting Started Documentation ( http://dev.clojure.org/display/doc/Getting+Started) (isn't that where I already was?) Still flailing a bit, I follow the link to Mark Volkmann's Tutorial. This is the first chance I've had to see what Clojure actually looks like and how to program in it. In stark contrast, I try searching for Scala. I get presented with an appealing, nicely laid out page with large links to an introduction to the language and a page on getting started. There are links in an easy to navigate menu with Information about the language, documentation, code examples, Software, and Developer information. Now, I'm no Scala developer, but at first glance it seems like I've found a great touch stone that I can use to find out what's happening in the language, how it looks, what it can do for me, and I can learn how to write it. Another thing that the scala-lang site has is Code Examples. Code examples are a really nice way for you to get a taste of how a language can solve common problems, and they can give you a real sense of the flavour of the language. A lot of the information for Clojure seems to be there, it's just not laid out in an attractive easy to use format. Perhaps we could have a fundraiser to pay for a web designer to make a nice modern website that contains the information in an easier to digest and more centralised way The getting started issue is an ongoing problem for Clojure. It's an issue that keeps coming up in the surveys and on the mailing list. Other languages are doing it really well, Scala is just a convenient example. What does the Clojure community need to do to help support the creation of something that is on par? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA,
Re: Meaning of =
The Joy of Clojure book touches on this, it is an important design and style decision. Great book, good question too. I'm learning about all this stuff right now and it is all good stuff. On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Mark Engelberg mark.engelb...@gmail.com wrote: It is surprising at first, but since vectors are used so commonly in Clojure instead of lists to represent literal sequential collections of data, it turns out to be extremely convenient to be able to compare it for equality against sequential collections generated as lists or lazy sequences. Basically, all those things are just flat, linear collections, and what we really care about from an equality standpoint is whether the collections have the same elements in the same order. Clojure similarly considers different types of maps (hash-maps, array-maps, sorted-maps) to be equal if the associations are the same. Ditto for hash-sets and sorted-sets. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Larry Travis tra...@cs.wisc.edu wrote: What is the rationale for this? user (= [1 2 3 4] '(1 2 3 4)) true I was quite surprised when this turned out to be the cause of a bug in a function I am constructing. Vectors and lists differ so substantially in their implementation and in their behavior that a vector and a list should not be considered equal just because they contain the same elements in the same order. --Larry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Which power function is right for Clojure?
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Andy Fingerhut andy.finger...@gmail.com wrote: It depends. Are you trying to optimize for speed? Teaching a particular style of programming? Code size? Range of input values handled correctly? Time to write it? Something else? The most Clojury way of doing it. Perhaps it was too trivial a problem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Which power function is right for Clojure?
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Mark Engelberg mark.engelb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Grant Rettke gret...@acm.org wrote: This naming of a helper function to loop is non-idiomatic, because there is a built-in construct loop, which works somewhat like named let in Scheme (without the name), allowing you to combine the function definition and the initial values at once. Idiomatic version of this would be: Oh ok. There's a subtle concern here though. Clojure, by default, uses longs. If you try to do something large, like (acc-pow 2 500), you'll get an overflow error. One easy fix is to change the 1 to 1N, and then you'll get boxed numerics. Another option is to change * to *'. Nice. Thanks for the feedback everybody. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Regarding Starting Clojure
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:13 PM, aboy021 arthur.bo...@gmail.com wrote: The getting started issue is an ongoing problem for Clojure. It's an issue that keeps coming up in the surveys and on the mailing list. Other languages are doing it really well, Scala is just a convenient example. What does the Clojure community need to do to help support the creation of something that is on par? Surely they wouldn't mind you contributing to the website. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Which power function is right for Clojure?
(ns power.examples) (defn non-acc-pow [base exp] (if (zero? exp) 1 (* base (non-acc-pow base (dec exp) (defn acc-pow [base exp] (letfn [(loop [base exp acc] (if (zero? exp) acc (recur base (dec exp) (* base acc] (loop base exp 1))) (defn lazy-pow [base exp] (letfn [(loop [cur] (cons cur (lazy-seq (loop (* cur base)] (nth (take exp (loop base)) (dec exp (defn iter-pow [base exp] (nth (take exp (iterate (partial * base) base)) (dec exp))) (defn apply-pow [base exp] (apply * (repeat exp base))) (= 16 (non-acc-pow 2 4) (acc-pow 2 4) (lazy-pow 2 4) (iter-pow 2 4) (apply-pow 2 4)) Originally posted here: http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/article/6430/which-power-function-is-right-for-clojure -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Transforming an ugly nested loop into clojure code
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:59 PM, arekanderu arekand...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to port an ugly piece of code from Ruby to clojure. May you share the original code? So far I have only ported it to clojure by keeping the same way it was written in Ruby and i am trying to re-write it the clojure way because...wellits very ugly. Why does my-map have vectors storing maps inside instead of a map with maps inside? I have a complex hash map which it's structure is always the same and the keys always known and by using the values in those keys, i make some function calls with those values as parameters. You can find a simplified version of the map and the function which steps into the map below. May you write some tests to demonstrate what you want to accomplish with the ugly map and share them here? I would really appreciate it if someone could propose an alternative way of writing the above function or at least to point me where can I look for some useful clojure functions that will help me do what I want but in a cleaner way. Once you provide tests then we have a better chance at helping. -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: [ILC2012] CALL FOR PARTICIPATION
Same goes for ICFP: http://icfpconference.org/icfp2012/accepted.html On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Jianshi Huang jianshi.hu...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious, why there are no Clojure speakers and papers? I think projects like cascalog, clojure.logic and light table are brilliant showcases for Lisp. The lightning talks session is still open for submissions. -- Forwarded message -- From: KURODA Hisao kur...@msi.co.jp Date: Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:47 PM Subject: [ILC2012] CALL FOR PARTICIPATION To: lisp-...@lispworks.com INTERNATIONAL LISP CONFERENCE 2012: Call for Participation == The Association of Lisp Users (ALU) is pleased to announce ILC 2012, to be held in Kyoto, Japan October 21st-24th. Please make a note of the following important dates and events. 0. Conference Home Page http://international-lisp-conference.org 1. Conference Schedule Outline http://international-lisp-conference.org/2012/schedule.html. 2. Technical papers are currently being reviewed and speakers will be announced shortly: http://international-lisp-conference.org/2012/speakers.html 3. Registration: http://international-lisp-conference.org/2012/registration.html 4. Please reserve your hotels early, as availability is limited this time of the year in Kyoto: http://international-lisp-conference.org/2012/paypal-online.html#sec-2 5. We are proud to announce following distinguished speakers: -- Mark Battyani: Successful Lisp Entrepreneur -- Christian Queinnec: Author of Lisp In Small Pieces -- Ikuo Takeuchi: Renown Japanese Inventor of the TAK-function -- Eiiti Wada: Famous Japanese Lisp Guru -- Designer of Happy Hacking Keyboard ___ Lisp Hug - the mailing list for LispWorks users lisp-...@lispworks.com http://www.lispworks.com/support/lisp-hug.html -- Jianshi Huang Co-founder and CTO at Maptia (maptia.com) LinkedIn: jianshi Twitter: @jshuang Github Blog: http://huangjs.github.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Questions regarding do form
I'm reading _The Joy of Clojure_ right now, and they touch on it, which is nice coming from Scheme/Racket. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Russell Whitaker russell.whita...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:26 AM, arekanderu arekand...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Meikel for your so helpful replies. Thanks also from a lurker, to whom these facts were a useful surprise: I'd wondered the same myself. Cheers, R On Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:19:44 PM UTC+3, Meikel Brandmeyer (kotarak) wrote: Hi, Am Donnerstag, 27. September 2012 12:16:41 UTC+2 schrieb arekanderu: I am new to clojure and I have two questions about do and the way it should be used. Question 1: Which of the following two functions is more idiomatic and why? Both functions produce the same result. code (defn my-fn [java-object] (. java-object firstFunc) (. java-object secondFunc) (. java-object thirdFunc) java-object) /code The first because defn includes an implicit do. So the second example is actually (do (do ...)). In this case you could also use doto: (defn my-fn [pojo] (doto pojo .firstFunc .secondFunc .thirdFunc)) Question 2: Again, which one is more idiomatic and why? Both functions produce the same result. code (defn my-fn [java-object bar] (let [bar-bar (. java-object getSomething) _ (if (not (is-bar? bar)) (. java-object (setSomething bar-bar)))] java-object)) /code code (defn my-fn [java-object bar] (let [bar-bar (. java-object getSomething)] (do (if (not (is-bar? bar)) (. java-object (setSomething bar-bar))) java-object))) /code The third: (defn my-fn [pojo bar] (let [bar-bar (.getSomething pojo)] (when-not (is-bar? bar) (.setSomething pojo bar-bar)) pojo))) let also (just like defn) includes an implicit do for the body. Hope this helps. Kind regards Meikel -- Russell Whitaker http://twitter.com/OrthoNormalRuss / http://orthonormalruss.blogspot.com/ http://www.linkedin.com/pub/russell-whitaker/0/b86/329 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure : a good start for non-programmers?
It is never too late to learn something new. If you start with Scheme then you will find loads of excellent pedagogical material that has been heavily vetted over the years, and you are bound to find that one of them will speak to you. The excellent thing about starting is that you can leverage the learning aspect, so when you do move to Clojure, it will be a logical next step and you will really appreciate the interesting decisions that were made in the language design. On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Gregorius R. gzym...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Clojurists! I'm a person in middle age (you know, too old to rock'n'roll, to young to die) and would like to programm but starting with functional programming. Regarding this i have some questions: is clojure a good start to learn programming? which (prerfer free online) is a good tut to start? am i to old for this stuff? thnx in advance for all responses Greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ ACM, AMA, COG, IEEE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
