Re: What's clojure killer app? I don't see any.
Gary: Immutability is awesome, the ease to work with concurrency in Clojure is fantastic and the interop with Java is very good when you compare with others JVM mainstream languages. But I'm affraid that these technical features that are very important for us, devs, don't sell the language for the standard developer or for most of companies. I started to work with Clojure because I saw the beauty of the language and I feel in he wild the boost of productivity after some time of slow development, but I cannot sell the language in my company only presenting thoses facts. Andrey: I think Paulo showed us a problem (of many others) that we're refusing to see. Clojure, as a LISP, is a powerful and elegant tool. As a JVM language, is built on a powerful and solid platform, with a whole world of mature and well finished components to almost every problem. But, as I wrote, it's not enough to sell Clojure to the 'common people', and even worst to the 'common manager people'. I think the syntax of Clojure is so dead easy that I have a presentation where I can explain the whole idea in five minutes. But again the Average Joe just will mumble about 'too much parenthesis' and won't see any advantage with Clojure. To the Avg Joe, Scala is nice because 'it looks like Java'. The same Avg Joe thought the Ruby syntax was awkward, but Rails made an army of Joes (like me) to dive into Ruby and after to a better way to work with OOP, even today Rails is not the main use of Ruby. I share the same concerns of Paulo, and I don't see a mainstream future for Clojure as a main language without a really attractive tool as a showcase. Regards Plínio On Saturday, April 19, 2014 3:56:15 PM UTC-3, Gary Trakhman wrote: Clojure's killer app is immutable datastructures. Libraries can interoperate extremely easily because their interface is described with simple data structures. What's Java got for this? Spring? Design Patterns? On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 2:47 PM, James Reeves ja...@booleanknot.comjavascript: wrote: Why does Clojure need a single killer app? I use Clojure because it has a wide range of useful tools, not because of any one tool in particular. To my mind, any language that promotes itself on the basis of a single tool is indicative of specialisation, which isn't what I want in a programming language. For instance, back in 2008, Ruby on Rails was the killer app of Ruby, but the rest of the ecosystem of the library was rather bare. Nowadays Ruby has a far greater range of libraries and tools, and Rails has become just one tool out of many, rather than the sole reason people turn to the language. That said, Clojure boasts several tools that aren't found many other places, and yet are extremely useful. Recently I've been using core.async, and now I find it difficult to imagine handling asynchronous communications without it. I'd almost say that was a killer app if Clojure didn't have so many other tools that have features that are just as compelling. - James On 19 April 2014 17:15, Paulo Suzart paulo...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Hi all, (warning, this is kinda confusing email) Been following the list for some time and specially paying attention to what could be the killer clojure app as Akka is for Scala. I keep seeing small libs (I like libs) popping up like ants, but I don't believe none of them (alone at least) can make clojure explode and become main technology in a old school /ordinary company. People say clojure is good for data. But where are the cases? And more specifically, where are the frameworks and libs to support it? Are they talking about wrappers around java for Hadoop? Sigh... Pulsar is quite dead, core async isn't clear regarding remoting, and avout? And lamina? And aleph? Where are the tools that can make clojure to cover from Web to big data and batch? Luminous, caribou, etc, are they going to become the next grails? Huumm.. Will take lot of time. Clojure Script alone will not go any further than the current server side. What made me give up scala was Scalaz, and I hope the create thousand disconnected libs and publish a post with ANN sufix approach doesn't make me give up clojure. Sorry guys, I've been posting about Clojure since 2009, and still can't see it becoming the main technology even being the CTO of the company. What is the killer app for you? Or how do you think we can make clojure supporting apps like Facebook or something big like that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.comjavascript: Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com javascript: For more options, visit this group at
Re: [ANN] fsrun : file change notifier high order lein task
Excellent, Deniz But I'm getting an error when I try to run for the first time: Could not find artifact fsrun:fsrun:jar:0.1.0 in central (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/) Could not find artifact fsrun:fsrun:jar:0.1.0 in clojars (https://clojars.org/repo/) This could be due to a typo in :dependencies or network issues. Part of my project.clj: (defproject blabla 0.1.0-SNAPSHOT ; licenses, description, url :dependencies [[org.clojure/clojure 1.5.1]] :plugins [[fsrun 0.1.0]] ; etc etc etc ) Am I doing something wrong? My network is OK and I'm not using any proxy. Thank you Plínio On Monday, November 25, 2013 5:26:05 AM UTC-2, Deniz Kurucu wrote: fsrun is a simple high order lein task that run some other tasks when a file modification occurs. Originally, i wanted to run my clojurescript tests automatically and created fsrun. It is my first clojure project, so please keep that in mind :) github : https://github.com/makkalot/fsrun Thanks. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only person using clooj ...
For those who use Clooj, looks like Mr Edelstein fixed the problem. On Friday, June 28, 2013 1:43:03 PM UTC-3, Plinio Balduino wrote: Yup. It's the same problem. That lib is only available on OSX. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only person using clooj ...
Hi there I sent a pull request fixing this Apple lib issue. https://github.com/arthuredelstein/clooj/pull/119 I'm not in Clooj list and never heard about before, but it sounds like an awesome project. Regards Plínio On Thursday, June 27, 2013 11:05:56 PM UTC-3, Cedric Greevey wrote: I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only person using clooj ... the clooj list is very quiet lately, and I'm getting the uncomfortable feeling that my notes and bug reports are falling on deaf ears. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Clojure in production
Hi there It's good too see brazilians working with the language. Igor, I'm waiting for your post about 'how Clojure saved the project'. The Netflix case would be awesome to present. daveray, could you tell me more about it? It can be in pvt or even here if our fellows don't mind. I would like to publicly thank you all for help me with this. The presentation was a success and soon I'll publish the slides. For those out there who call Clojure a 'niche language', take that. :) Regards (balduino/plinio) On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:44:23 PM UTC-3, Igor Hercowitz wrote: Hi Plinio, We're using clojure to develop our back-end. We're using Rest, Compojure and Cheshire. To test we're using Midje and Kibit to validate the code. Unfortunately we have use some Java Legacy code... :) Regards IHF Em segunda-feira, 10 de junho de 2013 18h47min25s UTC-3, Plinio Balduino escreveu: Hi there I'm writing a talk about Clojure in the real world and I would like to know, if possible, which companies are using Clojure for production or to make internal tools. Thank you Plínio Balduino -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
