Re: Current status of Clojure on Android?
I've been trying to figure out how to get started with Clojure on Android, and I'm thinking of using LibGDX. http://code.google.com/p/libgdx/ I've just been looking at a game called Bounce Away which was written almost entirely in Clojure with LibGDX. (Released in December.) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.friendlyvillagers.ballzhl=en I'd like to use Eclipse/CCW, but as a newbie I haven't been able to find much info on getting started with Clojure/Android/LibGDX. There's a couple of posts here about Maven and dependencies... http://code.google.com/p/libgdx/issues/detail?id=1118 http://code.google.com/p/libgdx/wiki/MavenProjectSetup ...but I can't make much of it. I'd be glad of any hints in the right direction. On Monday, November 26, 2012 9:28:13 PM UTC, John Gabriele wrote: Hi, What is the current status of Clojure on Android? That is, for creating Android apps in Clojure. I found this http://dev.clojure.org/display/design/Android+Support , but it appears to have been last-updated Feb 2011. What are currently the main limitations in creating and running Clojure programs on Android? (Does some limited subset of Clojure work? Does the bytecode that Clojure produces run on Dalvik?) Is it currently possible to write your Android app in Java but then call out to app code written in Clojure? Thanks! ---John -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Current status of Clojure on Android?
Also: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/clojure-android (Ah, only just noticed thatI'll start there...) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Current status of Clojure on Android?
I wrote a wrapper for the Apache Cordova (Phonegap) API recently, so that it could be used with ClojureScript. I got Hello World, etc up and running without much fuss. There are however two issues: 1. Also a slow start-up time, since Phonegap already has resources to load, and then a large JavaScript file on top of it. On a subpar device, this wait was several seconds. 2. Using Phonegap itself feels very second-class, especially with regard to the complex Android app lifecycle, things like Intents, and so on. That said, if are basically building a webapp that just needs some access to still inexistent APIs like camera, battery, compass etc, and you are targeting better, recent-gen hardware, it (Phonegap) could be a nice option. I'll also put the wrapper online soon. Since Clojure runs on the JVM, why do we need ClojureScript and PhoneGap at all? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Current status of Clojure on Android?
Since Clojure runs on the JVM, why do we need ClojureScript and PhoneGap at all? Mostly because Android doesn't run a true JVM. Dalvik is different enough from a true JVM that Oracle tried to sue Google over it. Ugly details are here: http://www.antforge.org/blog/2011/04/27/daneel-difference-between-java-and-dalvik Timothy On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:41 AM, MC Andre andrew.penneba...@gmail.comwrote: I wrote a wrapper for the Apache Cordova (Phonegap) API recently, so that it could be used with ClojureScript. I got Hello World, etc up and running without much fuss. There are however two issues: 1. Also a slow start-up time, since Phonegap already has resources to load, and then a large JavaScript file on top of it. On a subpar device, this wait was several seconds. 2. Using Phonegap itself feels very second-class, especially with regard to the complex Android app lifecycle, things like Intents, and so on. That said, if are basically building a webapp that just needs some access to still inexistent APIs like camera, battery, compass etc, and you are targeting better, recent-gen hardware, it (Phonegap) could be a nice option. I'll also put the wrapper online soon. Since Clojure runs on the JVM, why do we need ClojureScript and PhoneGap at all? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- “One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that–lacking zero–they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs.” (Robert Firth) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Current status of Clojure on Android?
2012/11/27 John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com Hm. I need to read up on what the dex is, and why one would want to dex it. :) Dex is the utility transforming java byte code to dalvik executable bytecode, that can run on android. It's written in java so can be applied to itself. I remember a blog article some time ago, but I can't seem to find it now. 2012/11/27 Curtis Gagliardi gagliardi.cur...@gmail.com How do you use clojurescript on android? I'm using HTML5 and CSS in an embedded WebView. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Current status of Clojure on Android?
I wrote a wrapper for the Apache Cordova (Phonegap) API recently, so that it could be used with ClojureScript. I got Hello World, etc up and running without much fuss. There are however two issues: 1. Also a slow start-up time, since Phonegap already has resources to load, and then a large JavaScript file on top of it. On a subpar device, this wait was several seconds. 2. Using Phonegap itself feels very second-class, especially with regard to the complex Android app lifecycle, things like Intents, and so on. That said, if are basically building a webapp that just needs some access to still inexistent APIs like camera, battery, compass etc, and you are targeting better, recent-gen hardware, it (Phonegap) could be a nice option. I'll also put the wrapper online soon. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Herwig Hochleitner hhochleit...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/11/27 John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com Hm. I need to read up on what the dex is, and why one would want to dex it. :) Dex is the utility transforming java byte code to dalvik executable bytecode, that can run on android. It's written in java so can be applied to itself. I remember a blog article some time ago, but I can't seem to find it now. 2012/11/27 Curtis Gagliardi gagliardi.cur...@gmail.com How do you use clojurescript on android? I'm using HTML5 and CSS in an embedded WebView. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Current status of Clojure on Android?
I put together some notes and hints on how to share Clojure functions with an Android app in Java for the Portland Clojure meetup. https://github.com/cesarpinera/TargetAndroid Clojure is hard on the device's resources, particularly memory. Also, there's somethings that don't work terribly well with Dalvik, such as concurrency. Still, it works. I would definitely not consider it for a real world product, though. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, What is the current status of Clojure on Android? That is, for creating Android apps in Clojure. I found this http://dev.clojure.org/display/design/Android+Support , but it appears to have been last-updated Feb 2011. What are currently the main limitations in creating and running Clojure programs on Android? (Does some limited subset of Clojure work? Does the bytecode that Clojure produces run on Dalvik?) Is it currently possible to write your Android app in Java but then call out to app code written in Clojure? Thanks! ---John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Current status of Clojure on Android?
On Monday, November 26, 2012 9:14:07 PM UTC-5, Herwig Hochleitner wrote: 2012/11/26 John Gabriele jmg...@gmail.com javascript: What are currently the main limitations in creating and running Clojure programs on Android? (Does some limited subset of Clojure work? Does the bytecode that Clojure produces run on Dalvik?) Clojure on Android is alive and well as far as I'm aware. I'm not currently using it, but last time I checked, even eval, hence the REPL worked. Mr. Solano Gómez pulled that off by dexing the dex utility for use on android. Hm. I need to read up on what the dex is, and why one would want to dex it. :) Also: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/clojure-android Oooh, thanks. Did not know about that group. ---John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Current status of Clojure on Android?
On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:46:44 PM UTC-5, César Piñera wrote: I put together some notes and hints on how to share Clojure functions with an Android app in Java for the Portland Clojure meetup. https://github.com/cesarpinera/TargetAndroid This looks great. Thanks, César. Clojure is hard on the device's resources, particularly memory. Also, there's somethings that don't work terribly well with Dalvik, such as concurrency. Still, it works. I would definitely not consider it for a real world product, though. I see. Thanks again for the info. ---John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Current status of Clojure on Android?
How do you use clojurescript on android? SL4A? How does it compare to a native app? I'm looking to try to write an android app but want to avoid java, but it sounds like clojure isn't really ready for production on android. On Monday, November 26, 2012 8:14:07 PM UTC-6, Herwig Hochleitner wrote: 2012/11/26 John Gabriele jmg...@gmail.com javascript: What are currently the main limitations in creating and running Clojure programs on Android? (Does some limited subset of Clojure work? Does the bytecode that Clojure produces run on Dalvik?) Clojure on Android is alive and well as far as I'm aware. I'm not currently using it, but last time I checked, even eval, hence the REPL worked. Mr. Solano Gómez pulled that off by dexing the dex utility for use on android. The main drawback is startup time, which is a couple of seconds on my Galaxy Nexus. Therefore, and because of portability, I write my current android project in ClojureScript. Is it currently possible to write your Android app in Java but then call out to app code written in Clojure? Same as with Clojure on the JVM. Google's work to making Dalvik compliant really pays off. Also: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/clojure-android -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Current status of Clojure on Android?
Curtis, I have successful built a ClojureScript app that uses SL4A (Rhino). The startup time is an issue, the performance isn't great but is acceptable. If you're just prototyping something or need a tool for in-house use - this is one alternative. Given the work and efforts that Cesar highlighted, you might be better off with straight Clojure. Depending on the requirements of your app, you might also consider an HTML5 client-side application, and rely upon CSS functionality for graphical support. This would free you from Java, enable you to use ClojureScript, and comes with a lot of tooling support (and flexibility). Regards, Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Current status of Clojure on Android?
Hi, What is the current status of Clojure on Android? That is, for creating Android apps in Clojure. I found this http://dev.clojure.org/display/design/Android+Support , but it appears to have been last-updated Feb 2011. What are currently the main limitations in creating and running Clojure programs on Android? (Does some limited subset of Clojure work? Does the bytecode that Clojure produces run on Dalvik?) Is it currently possible to write your Android app in Java but then call out to app code written in Clojure? Thanks! ---John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Current status of Clojure on Android?
2012/11/26 John Gabriele jmg3...@gmail.com What are currently the main limitations in creating and running Clojure programs on Android? (Does some limited subset of Clojure work? Does the bytecode that Clojure produces run on Dalvik?) Clojure on Android is alive and well as far as I'm aware. I'm not currently using it, but last time I checked, even eval, hence the REPL worked. Mr. Solano Gómez pulled that off by dexing the dex utility for use on android. The main drawback is startup time, which is a couple of seconds on my Galaxy Nexus. Therefore, and because of portability, I write my current android project in ClojureScript. Is it currently possible to write your Android app in Java but then call out to app code written in Clojure? Same as with Clojure on the JVM. Google's work to making Dalvik compliant really pays off. Also: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/clojure-android -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
