Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Tyler Gillies]

I meant to say picture of your signature, yay monday mornings

On Monday, April 1, 2013 8:17:43 AM UTC-7, Tyler Gillies wrote:
>
> Preview app on mac allows you to take a picture of your picture and use it 
> on documents. Then you can just open up file, click signature tool and 
> apply, then save and email.
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2013 12:48:54 PM UTC-7, Jeremiah Dodds wrote:
>>
>> Cedric Greevey  writes: 
>>
>> > It's a definite improvement ... but "please print and sign the 
>> agreement, then 
>> > scan and mail"? There are a growing number of people that do 
>> *everything* 
>> > online, to the point of not having a printer, not having a scanner, or 
>> not 
>> > having either. 
>> > 
>> > Of course, the same people tend to have trouble with the quaint notion 
>> that a 
>> > funny-looking squiggle emitted by pen onto paper is somehow a securer 
>> form of 
>> > authentication than a 128-bit cryptographic signature of a document 
>> hash. :) 
>> > 
>> > -- 
>>
>> Those people may be interested in sites like https://www.hellofax.com/ 
>> when faced with "needing" to print, sign, and scan some paper-trail :P 
>>
>> -- 
>> Jeremiah Dodds 
>>
>> blog   : http://jdodds.github.com 
>> github : https://github.com/jdodds 
>> freenode/skype  : exhortatory 
>> twitter: kaens 
>>
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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Tyler Gillies]

Preview app on mac allows you to take a picture of your picture and use it 
on documents. Then you can just open up file, click signature tool and 
apply, then save and email.

On Friday, March 29, 2013 12:48:54 PM UTC-7, Jeremiah Dodds wrote:
>
> Cedric Greevey > writes: 
>
> > It's a definite improvement ... but "please print and sign the 
> agreement, then 
> > scan and mail"? There are a growing number of people that do 
> *everything* 
> > online, to the point of not having a printer, not having a scanner, or 
> not 
> > having either. 
> > 
> > Of course, the same people tend to have trouble with the quaint notion 
> that a 
> > funny-looking squiggle emitted by pen onto paper is somehow a securer 
> form of 
> > authentication than a 128-bit cryptographic signature of a document 
> hash. :) 
> > 
> > -- 
>
> Those people may be interested in sites like https://www.hellofax.com/ 
> when faced with "needing" to print, sign, and scan some paper-trail :P 
>
> -- 
> Jeremiah Dodds 
>
> blog   : http://jdodds.github.com 
> github : https://github.com/jdodds 
> freenode/skype  : exhortatory 
> twitter: kaens 
>

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Jeremiah Dodds]

Cedric Greevey  writes:

> It's a definite improvement ... but "please print and sign the agreement, then
> scan and mail"? There are a growing number of people that do *everything*
> online, to the point of not having a printer, not having a scanner, or not
> having either.
>
> Of course, the same people tend to have trouble with the quaint notion that a
> funny-looking squiggle emitted by pen onto paper is somehow a securer form of
> authentication than a 128-bit cryptographic signature of a document hash. :)
>
> -- 

Those people may be interested in sites like https://www.hellofax.com/
when faced with "needing" to print, sign, and scan some paper-trail :P

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Michael Klishin]

2013/3/29 Ryan Neufeld 

> Maybe I can have a conversation with you about your experience on
> ClojureWerkz docs?


Feel free to contact me directly.
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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Paul deGrandis]

Cedric,

I don't own a printer, so I end up making heavy use of http://hellofax.com/

I'd point people there if they want to keep the whole process digital for 
themselves.

Cheers,
Paul

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Ryan Neufeld]

I definitely hear you - getting pedestal.io open for contributions is a 
goal of mine too. Maybe I can have a conversation with you about your 
experience on ClojureWerkz docs?


> Ryan,
>
> This is very good news. One thing I'd like to see is a way for the 
> community to contribute to pedestal.io (the site)
> using the same process.
>
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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Cedric Greevey]

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Michael Klishin <
michael.s.klis...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> 2013/3/29 Ryan Neufeld 
>
>> This means Github for issues and pull-requests, easy-to-submit CAs, etc.
>> Hopefully once we've proven out these more modern workflows we can start to
>> backport them into the Clojure process.
>>
>> I have to ask you this: is there anything we've missed, or do you have
>> any suggestions you'd like implemented in the Pedestal project?
>>
>
> Ryan,
>
> This is very good news.
>

It's a definite improvement ... but "please print and sign the agreement,
then scan and mail"? There are a growing number of people that do
*everything* online, to the point of not having a printer, not having a
scanner, or not having either.

Of course, the same people tend to have trouble with the quaint notion that
a funny-looking squiggle emitted by pen onto paper is somehow a securer
form of authentication than a 128-bit cryptographic signature of a document
hash. :)

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Michael Klishin]

2013/3/29 Ryan Neufeld 

> This means Github for issues and pull-requests, easy-to-submit CAs, etc.
> Hopefully once we've proven out these more modern workflows we can start to
> backport them into the Clojure process.
>
> I have to ask you this: is there anything we've missed, or do you have any
> suggestions you'd like implemented in the Pedestal project?
>

Ryan,

This is very good news. One thing I'd like to see is a way for the
community to contribute to pedestal.io (the site)
using the same process.

Thanks to everyone involved in these process improvements for Pedestal. I
have doubts that Clojure will ever be developed
the same way but it's great to see Pedestal not following the route of
Clojure Contrib.
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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Ryan Neufeld]

Hey, sorry for the delay in answering your question Michael.

We will definitely be accepting pull requests. In fact, we've already 
accepted a few minor pulls from community members.

I know you've been an outspoken critic of the Clojure contribution process 
- we understand that pain, and want to do things differently with Pedestal. 
This means Github for issues and pull-requests, easy-to-submit CAs, etc. 
Hopefully once we've proven out these more modern workflows we can start to 
backport them into the Clojure process.

I have to ask you this: is there anything we've missed, or do you have any 
suggestions you'd like implemented in the Pedestal project?

- Ryan @ Relevance

On Sunday, March 24, 2013 12:30:10 AM UTC-4, Michael Klishin wrote:
>
>
> 2013/3/24 Sean Corfield >
>
>> Contributor Agreements were available for signing at Clojure/West so
>> I'm guessing it will be under the same process as Clojure itself...
>>
>
> They have electronic CA:
> http://pedestal.io/#contribute
>
> My question is about pull requests, not the CA.
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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Si]

Errr, sorry. I see questions can go 
to https://groups.google.com/d/forum/pedestal-dev. I'll get on to it after 
I wake up properly :)

On Friday, March 22, 2013 3:52:07 PM UTC+1, Alex Redinton wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> At Relevance, we have been working on a way to build applications
> delivered over the web for some time, and unveiled our work at
> Clojure/West.
>
> If you missed it, our work is called Pedestal, and while it is still
> immature and in an alpha state, we've opened it up and are interested
> in receiving people's feedback.
>
> We consider this a solution for delivering applications where most of
> the interaction happens in the browser, where delivering information
> to browsers should happen quickly and responsively, and where servers
> are primarily responsible for processing data, not creating and
> transmitting presentations.
>
> If you'd like to learn more, please visit the project's website at
> http://pedestal.io
>
> To see some sample applications, please checkout and review our sample
> Git repository hosted at http://github.com/pedestal/samples
>
> To start with a new pedestal application, you can do:
>
> lein new pedestal-application 
>
> To start a new pedestal service, you can do:
>
> lein new pedestal-service 
>
> Please let us know what you think!
>
> -Alex Redingotn
>
>

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Si]

I spent this weekend getting my head around Pedestal, and am liking a lot 
it so far. Thanks!

Where is the best place to ask for help regarding Pedestal specific issues?

>From the templates, I created a service and an app, and would now like to 
hook them up in my development aspect. Considering I have two projects and 
they want to use different ports (3000 & 8080), what is the most convenient 
way to do this?

I thought to configure the aspect with ":use-api-server? true", like the 
chat client sample (commit d765b993ed5fa7b5306877f78121916cc731532a), but 
that gets a 404 Not Found when the dev page redirects to port 8080, so I've 
not yet seen successful development mode use.

Cheers,
Si

On Friday, March 22, 2013 3:52:07 PM UTC+1, Alex Redinton wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> At Relevance, we have been working on a way to build applications
> delivered over the web for some time, and unveiled our work at
> Clojure/West.
>
> If you missed it, our work is called Pedestal, and while it is still
> immature and in an alpha state, we've opened it up and are interested
> in receiving people's feedback.
>
> We consider this a solution for delivering applications where most of
> the interaction happens in the browser, where delivering information
> to browsers should happen quickly and responsively, and where servers
> are primarily responsible for processing data, not creating and
> transmitting presentations.
>
> If you'd like to learn more, please visit the project's website at
> http://pedestal.io
>
> To see some sample applications, please checkout and review our sample
> Git repository hosted at http://github.com/pedestal/samples
>
> To start with a new pedestal application, you can do:
>
> lein new pedestal-application 
>
> To start a new pedestal service, you can do:
>
> lein new pedestal-service 
>
> Please let us know what you think!
>
> -Alex Redingotn
>
>

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Michael Klishin]

2013/3/24 Sean Corfield 

> Contributor Agreements were available for signing at Clojure/West so
> I'm guessing it will be under the same process as Clojure itself...
>

They have electronic CA:
http://pedestal.io/#contribute

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Sean Corfield]

Contributor Agreements were available for signing at Clojure/West so
I'm guessing it will be under the same process as Clojure itself...

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Michael Klishin
 wrote:
>
> 2013/3/22 Alex Redinton 
>>
>> Please let us know what you think!
>
>
> Will Pedestal accept pull requests?
>
>
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>
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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Toni Tuominen]

Looks very interesting. I'd really love to see a screencast of someone 
building for example the todomvc app form scratch with this cause I for one 
couldn't really wrap my head around it.

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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Denis Labaye]

hurray!

It looks really promising.

I would mention the relevance podcast about
Pedestal,
it's a really smooth introduction.

I started playing with Pedestal, and I particularly appreciate the
incremental approach of the "getting started" docs: In a few minutes it
walks through the building of a Pedestal app with : a backend ((micro)
service) + frontend (clojurescript) + db (datomic), so we've got
"everything" from the start, that's neat!

It looks like Clojure's Pedestal is a game-changer.

Denis

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>
> 2013/3/22 Alex Redinton 
>
>> Please let us know what you think!
>
>
> Will Pedestal accept pull requests?
>
>
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Re: [ANN] Pedestal Application Framework

[Michael Klishin]

2013/3/22 Alex Redinton 

> Please let us know what you think!


Will Pedestal accept pull requests?


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