Re: Any chance of core.logic getting extended with probKanren?

2015-11-25 Thread Carl Cotner
No worries. I was just trying to point out that at least conceptually
it is a very natural extension.


On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Dragan Djuric  wrote:
> I am sorry if my reply sounded like I was offended. I was not, I was just
> going straight to the point without beating around the bush :)
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 3:28:14 PM UTC+1, Carl Cotner wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, didn't mean to offend. I was just offering a reason for the
>> "even why". Perhaps I misinterpreted ...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Dragan Djuric  wrote:
>> > I know well how probabilistic logic works. It is a superset of the
>> > true/false logic, and goes much beyond "half true" etc. My question was
>> > about how this would look like when integrated with core.logic vs just
>> > using
>> > full-blown probabilistic logic-based library/language.
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 3:15:11 PM UTC+1, Carl Cotner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really
>> >> > cannot
>> >> > see
>> >> > how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why.
>> >>
>> >> This is not a concrete answer to your question, but probability can be
>> >> thought of as a continuous extension of logic where 0 = False and 1 =
>> >> True (and .5 = "half true", etc.).
>> >>
>> >> This extension is unique given a few natural conditions.
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 5:49 AM, Dragan Djuric 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I am working on something related to probabilistic
>> >> > programming/inference/learning. Not yet ready for use but I hope to
>> >> > get
>> >> > it
>> >> > there the next year.
>> >> > Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really
>> >> > cannot
>> >> > see
>> >> > how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why. So,
>> >> > I
>> >> > would
>> >> > like very much to hear some of the needed use cases for this (without
>> >> > reading hundreds of pages of someone's PhD dissertation, please :)
>> >> >
>> >> > Can you write a few "hello world" examples of what you would like to
>> >> > see
>> >> > in
>> >> > core.logic related to probabilistic programming?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 2:51:05 PM UTC+1, Henrik Larsson
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have started to play around with ProbLog2 and find the concept of
>> >> >> probabilistic logic programming to be super fun. When googeling
>> >> >> miniKanren
>> >> >> and probabilistic logic programming the following came up:
>> >> >> https://github.com/webyrd/probKanren
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So my question now is what are the chances that something like
>> >> >> probKanren
>> >> >> getting implemented in core.logic and how advance is probKanren vs
>> >> >> ProbLog2?
>> >> >> What im after is the conditional probabilites that ProbLog2 can
>> >> >> handle.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There are some documentation on core.logic
>> >> >> (https://github.com/clojure/core.logic/wiki/CLP(Prob)) but it is
>> >> >> dated
>> >> >> at
>> >> >> 2013 and im not sure what the roadmap is for core.logic or if it
>> >> >> even
>> >> >> has a
>> >> >> roadmap.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for any input regarding this.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best regards Henrik
>> >> >
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Re: Any chance of core.logic getting extended with probKanren?

2015-11-25 Thread David Nolen
The rationale is simply that Prolog-like systems have embraced it as it
appears to be a very natural fit - https://dtai.cs.kuleuven.be/problog/

David

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Dragan Djuric  wrote:

> I know well how probabilistic logic works. It is a superset of the
> true/false logic, and goes much beyond "half true" etc. My question was
> about how this would look like when integrated with core.logic vs just
> using full-blown probabilistic logic-based library/language.
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 3:15:11 PM UTC+1, Carl Cotner wrote:
>>
>> > Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really cannot
>> see
>> > how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why.
>>
>> This is not a concrete answer to your question, but probability can be
>> thought of as a continuous extension of logic where 0 = False and 1 =
>> True (and .5 = "half true", etc.).
>>
>> This extension is unique given a few natural conditions.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 5:49 AM, Dragan Djuric 
>> wrote:
>> > I am working on something related to probabilistic
>> > programming/inference/learning. Not yet ready for use but I hope to get
>> it
>> > there the next year.
>> > Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really cannot
>> see
>> > how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why. So, I
>> would
>> > like very much to hear some of the needed use cases for this (without
>> > reading hundreds of pages of someone's PhD dissertation, please :)
>> >
>> > Can you write a few "hello world" examples of what you would like to
>> see in
>> > core.logic related to probabilistic programming?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 2:51:05 PM UTC+1, Henrik Larsson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have started to play around with ProbLog2 and find the concept of
>> >> probabilistic logic programming to be super fun. When googeling
>> miniKanren
>> >> and probabilistic logic programming the following came up:
>> >> https://github.com/webyrd/probKanren
>> >>
>> >> So my question now is what are the chances that something like
>> probKanren
>> >> getting implemented in core.logic and how advance is probKanren vs
>> ProbLog2?
>> >> What im after is the conditional probabilites that ProbLog2 can
>> handle.
>> >>
>> >> There are some documentation on core.logic
>> >> (https://github.com/clojure/core.logic/wiki/CLP(Prob)) but it is
>> dated at
>> >> 2013 and im not sure what the roadmap is for core.logic or if it even
>> has a
>> >> roadmap.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any input regarding this.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards Henrik
>> >
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Re: Any chance of core.logic getting extended with probKanren?

2015-11-25 Thread Dragan Djuric
I am sorry if my reply sounded like I was offended. I was not, I was just 
going straight to the point without beating around the bush :)

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 3:28:14 PM UTC+1, Carl Cotner wrote:
>
> Sorry, didn't mean to offend. I was just offering a reason for the 
> "even why". Perhaps I misinterpreted ... 
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Dragan Djuric  > wrote: 
> > I know well how probabilistic logic works. It is a superset of the 
> > true/false logic, and goes much beyond "half true" etc. My question was 
> > about how this would look like when integrated with core.logic vs just 
> using 
> > full-blown probabilistic logic-based library/language. 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 3:15:11 PM UTC+1, Carl Cotner wrote: 
> >> 
> >> > Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really 
> cannot 
> >> > see 
> >> > how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why. 
> >> 
> >> This is not a concrete answer to your question, but probability can be 
> >> thought of as a continuous extension of logic where 0 = False and 1 = 
> >> True (and .5 = "half true", etc.). 
> >> 
> >> This extension is unique given a few natural conditions. 
> >> 
> >> Carl 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 5:49 AM, Dragan Djuric  
> wrote: 
> >> > I am working on something related to probabilistic 
> >> > programming/inference/learning. Not yet ready for use but I hope to 
> get 
> >> > it 
> >> > there the next year. 
> >> > Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really 
> cannot 
> >> > see 
> >> > how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why. So, 
> I 
> >> > would 
> >> > like very much to hear some of the needed use cases for this (without 
> >> > reading hundreds of pages of someone's PhD dissertation, please :) 
> >> > 
> >> > Can you write a few "hello world" examples of what you would like to 
> see 
> >> > in 
> >> > core.logic related to probabilistic programming? 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 2:51:05 PM UTC+1, Henrik Larsson 
> wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >> I have started to play around with ProbLog2 and find the concept of 
> >> >> probabilistic logic programming to be super fun. When googeling 
> >> >> miniKanren 
> >> >> and probabilistic logic programming the following came up: 
> >> >> https://github.com/webyrd/probKanren 
> >> >> 
> >> >> So my question now is what are the chances that something like 
> >> >> probKanren 
> >> >> getting implemented in core.logic and how advance is probKanren vs 
> >> >> ProbLog2? 
> >> >> What im after is the conditional probabilites that ProbLog2 can 
> handle. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> There are some documentation on core.logic 
> >> >> (https://github.com/clojure/core.logic/wiki/CLP(Prob)) but it is 
> dated 
> >> >> at 
> >> >> 2013 and im not sure what the roadmap is for core.logic or if it 
> even 
> >> >> has a 
> >> >> roadmap. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Thanks for any input regarding this. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Best regards Henrik 
> >> > 
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Re: Any chance of core.logic getting extended with probKanren?

2015-11-25 Thread Carl Cotner
Sorry, didn't mean to offend. I was just offering a reason for the
"even why". Perhaps I misinterpreted ...


On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Dragan Djuric  wrote:
> I know well how probabilistic logic works. It is a superset of the
> true/false logic, and goes much beyond "half true" etc. My question was
> about how this would look like when integrated with core.logic vs just using
> full-blown probabilistic logic-based library/language.
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 3:15:11 PM UTC+1, Carl Cotner wrote:
>>
>> > Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really cannot
>> > see
>> > how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why.
>>
>> This is not a concrete answer to your question, but probability can be
>> thought of as a continuous extension of logic where 0 = False and 1 =
>> True (and .5 = "half true", etc.).
>>
>> This extension is unique given a few natural conditions.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 5:49 AM, Dragan Djuric  wrote:
>> > I am working on something related to probabilistic
>> > programming/inference/learning. Not yet ready for use but I hope to get
>> > it
>> > there the next year.
>> > Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really cannot
>> > see
>> > how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why. So, I
>> > would
>> > like very much to hear some of the needed use cases for this (without
>> > reading hundreds of pages of someone's PhD dissertation, please :)
>> >
>> > Can you write a few "hello world" examples of what you would like to see
>> > in
>> > core.logic related to probabilistic programming?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 2:51:05 PM UTC+1, Henrik Larsson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have started to play around with ProbLog2 and find the concept of
>> >> probabilistic logic programming to be super fun. When googeling
>> >> miniKanren
>> >> and probabilistic logic programming the following came up:
>> >> https://github.com/webyrd/probKanren
>> >>
>> >> So my question now is what are the chances that something like
>> >> probKanren
>> >> getting implemented in core.logic and how advance is probKanren vs
>> >> ProbLog2?
>> >> What im after is the conditional probabilites that ProbLog2 can handle.
>> >>
>> >> There are some documentation on core.logic
>> >> (https://github.com/clojure/core.logic/wiki/CLP(Prob)) but it is dated
>> >> at
>> >> 2013 and im not sure what the roadmap is for core.logic or if it even
>> >> has a
>> >> roadmap.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any input regarding this.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards Henrik
>> >
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Re: Any chance of core.logic getting extended with probKanren?

2015-11-25 Thread Dragan Djuric
I know well how probabilistic logic works. It is a superset of the 
true/false logic, and goes much beyond "half true" etc. My question was 
about how this would look like when integrated with core.logic vs just 
using full-blown probabilistic logic-based library/language.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 3:15:11 PM UTC+1, Carl Cotner wrote:
>
> > Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really cannot 
> see 
> > how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why. 
>
> This is not a concrete answer to your question, but probability can be 
> thought of as a continuous extension of logic where 0 = False and 1 = 
> True (and .5 = "half true", etc.). 
>
> This extension is unique given a few natural conditions. 
>
> Carl 
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 5:49 AM, Dragan Djuric  > wrote: 
> > I am working on something related to probabilistic 
> > programming/inference/learning. Not yet ready for use but I hope to get 
> it 
> > there the next year. 
> > Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really cannot 
> see 
> > how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why. So, I 
> would 
> > like very much to hear some of the needed use cases for this (without 
> > reading hundreds of pages of someone's PhD dissertation, please :) 
> > 
> > Can you write a few "hello world" examples of what you would like to see 
> in 
> > core.logic related to probabilistic programming? 
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 2:51:05 PM UTC+1, Henrik Larsson wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I have started to play around with ProbLog2 and find the concept of 
> >> probabilistic logic programming to be super fun. When googeling 
> miniKanren 
> >> and probabilistic logic programming the following came up: 
> >> https://github.com/webyrd/probKanren 
> >> 
> >> So my question now is what are the chances that something like 
> probKanren 
> >> getting implemented in core.logic and how advance is probKanren vs 
> ProbLog2? 
> >> What im after is the conditional probabilites that ProbLog2 can handle. 
> >> 
> >> There are some documentation on core.logic 
> >> (https://github.com/clojure/core.logic/wiki/CLP(Prob)) but it is dated 
> at 
> >> 2013 and im not sure what the roadmap is for core.logic or if it even 
> has a 
> >> roadmap. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Thanks for any input regarding this. 
> >> 
> >> Best regards Henrik 
> > 
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Re: Any chance of core.logic getting extended with probKanren?

2015-11-25 Thread Carl Cotner
> Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really cannot see
> how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why.

This is not a concrete answer to your question, but probability can be
thought of as a continuous extension of logic where 0 = False and 1 =
True (and .5 = "half true", etc.).

This extension is unique given a few natural conditions.

Carl


On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 5:49 AM, Dragan Djuric  wrote:
> I am working on something related to probabilistic
> programming/inference/learning. Not yet ready for use but I hope to get it
> there the next year.
> Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really cannot see
> how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why. So, I would
> like very much to hear some of the needed use cases for this (without
> reading hundreds of pages of someone's PhD dissertation, please :)
>
> Can you write a few "hello world" examples of what you would like to see in
> core.logic related to probabilistic programming?
>
>
> On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 2:51:05 PM UTC+1, Henrik Larsson wrote:
>>
>> I have started to play around with ProbLog2 and find the concept of
>> probabilistic logic programming to be super fun. When googeling miniKanren
>> and probabilistic logic programming the following came up:
>> https://github.com/webyrd/probKanren
>>
>> So my question now is what are the chances that something like probKanren
>> getting implemented in core.logic and how advance is probKanren vs ProbLog2?
>> What im after is the conditional probabilites that ProbLog2 can handle.
>>
>> There are some documentation on core.logic
>> (https://github.com/clojure/core.logic/wiki/CLP(Prob)) but it is dated at
>> 2013 and im not sure what the roadmap is for core.logic or if it even has a
>> roadmap.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any input regarding this.
>>
>> Best regards Henrik
>
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Re: Any chance of core.logic getting extended with probKanren?

2015-11-25 Thread Dragan Djuric
I am working on something related to probabilistic 
programming/inference/learning. Not yet ready for use but I hope to get it 
there the next year.
Although some key building blocks are the same (MCMC), I really cannot see 
how such things could be integrated to core.logic, and even why. So, I 
would like very much to hear some of the needed use cases for this (without 
reading hundreds of pages of someone's PhD dissertation, please :)

Can you write a few "hello world" examples of what you would like to see in 
core.logic related to probabilistic programming?

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 2:51:05 PM UTC+1, Henrik Larsson wrote:
>
> I have started to play around with ProbLog2 and find the concept of 
> probabilistic logic programming to be super fun. When googeling miniKanren 
> and probabilistic logic programming the following came up:
> https://github.com/webyrd/probKanren
>
> So my question now is what are the chances that something like probKanren 
> getting implemented in core.logic and how advance is probKanren vs 
> ProbLog2? What im after is the conditional probabilites that ProbLog2 can 
> handle.
>
> There are some documentation on core.logic (
> https://github.com/clojure/core.logic/wiki/CLP(Prob)) but it is dated at 
> 2013 and im not sure what the roadmap is for core.logic or if it even has a 
> roadmap.
>
>
> Thanks for any input regarding this.
>
> Best regards Henrik
>

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Re: Any chance of core.logic getting extended with probKanren?

2015-11-24 Thread Russell Mull
On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 5:51:05 AM UTC-8, Henrik Larsson wrote:
>
> I have started to play around with ProbLog2 and find the concept of 
> probabilistic logic programming to be super fun. When googeling miniKanren 
> and probabilistic logic programming the following came up:
> https://github.com/webyrd/probKanren
>

Do you know if there have been any publications on this work? I've looked 
around a little bit, but I can only find the source code. 

- Russell 

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Re: Any chance of core.logic getting extended with probKanren?

2015-11-20 Thread David Nolen
Definitely interested in it! But I don't have time to work on it myself. So
the likelihood of this feature landing is entirely dependent on
contributions :)

HTH,
David

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Henrik Larsson 
wrote:

> I have started to play around with ProbLog2 and find the concept of
> probabilistic logic programming to be super fun. When googeling miniKanren
> and probabilistic logic programming the following came up:
> https://github.com/webyrd/probKanren
>
> So my question now is what are the chances that something like probKanren
> getting implemented in core.logic and how advance is probKanren vs
> ProbLog2? What im after is the conditional probabilites that ProbLog2 can
> handle.
>
> There are some documentation on core.logic (
> https://github.com/clojure/core.logic/wiki/CLP(Prob)) but it is dated at
> 2013 and im not sure what the roadmap is for core.logic or if it even has a
> roadmap.
>
>
> Thanks for any input regarding this.
>
> Best regards Henrik
>
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