Re: slackpocalypse? next steps?

[Sean Corfield]

Yes.

 

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On 5/29/17, 5:46 AM, "'Adrian A.' via Clojure"  wrote:

 

> We’re almost certainly not going to find a replacement for Slack (or any 
> other communications medium) 

Have you tried Mattermost? 
 - https://about.mattermost.com/
 - https://github.com/mattermost/platform




 

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Re: slackpocalypse? next steps?

['Adrian A.' via Clojure]

> We’re almost certainly not going to find a *replacement* for Slack (or 
any other communications medium) 

Have you tried Mattermost? 
 - https://about.mattermost.com/
 - https://github.com/mattermost/platform


regards.

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Re: slackpocalypse? next steps?

[Sean Corfield]

That link worked. Thanks. I was on Mac but didn’t have the native app installed 
so Safari just barfed on that link.

 

Confusingly there’s a “clojurians” Discord server and a “Clojurians” server 
too. The former seems to be an old testbed set up last year to try Discord out 
as an alternative.

 

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On 5/25/17, 5:13 PM, "Luke Burton"  wrote:

 

 

On May 25, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Sean Corfield  wrote:

 

On 5/25/17, 12:43 PM, "Luke Burton"  wrote:


I've added the Discord invite link in this document


I gather that requires an app installed, not just a web browser? I clicked the 
link, clicked to accept the invite, and got an error about a discord:// link 
not being supported.

(this is the sort of discoverability / affordance issue that people complain 
about)

 

There are web, desktop, and mobile versions of Discord. 

 

That's a curious workflow, one I hadn't seen before because I didn't need to 
invite myself to the Discord I made :) On a Mac, here's what happened when I 
tried after clicking the link:

 

- I was bounced to a "you've been invited to join" page (with a scary look Orc 
as the background) 

- I accepted the invite

- Safari popped a "do you want to open the Discord app?" dialog

- I hit cancel

- The Discord page was still there offering me a "Continue to Discord" button 
that opened the web app

 

Not sure what platform you're on, but their attempt to pop a discord:// link is 
surely not going to work in all cases :/ 

 

If it helps, the final resting place of my browser's URL when I made it into 
the web chat is below. It's quite a fearsome URL, I'm not sure if that's a 
session ID or a globally unique link for our server.

 

https://discordapp.com/channels/313110246643990528/313110246643990528

 

Luke.

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Re: slackpocalypse? next steps?

[Luke Burton]

> On May 25, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Sean Corfield  wrote:
> 
> On 5/25/17, 12:43 PM, "Luke Burton"  luke_bur...@me.com> wrote:
>> I've added the Discord invite link in this document
> 
> I gather that requires an app installed, not just a web browser? I clicked 
> the link, clicked to accept the invite, and got an error about a discord:// 
> link not being supported.
> 
> (this is the sort of discoverability / affordance issue that people complain 
> about)

There are web, desktop, and mobile versions of Discord. 

That's a curious workflow, one I hadn't seen before because I didn't need to 
invite myself to the Discord I made :) On a Mac, here's what happened when I 
tried after clicking the link:

- I was bounced to a "you've been invited to join" page (with a scary look Orc 
as the background) 
- I accepted the invite
- Safari popped a "do you want to open the Discord app?" dialog
- I hit cancel
- The Discord page was still there offering me a "Continue to Discord" button 
that opened the web app

Not sure what platform you're on, but their attempt to pop a discord:// link is 
surely not going to work in all cases :/ 

If it helps, the final resting place of my browser's URL when I made it into 
the web chat is below. It's quite a fearsome URL, I'm not sure if that's a 
session ID or a globally unique link for our server.

https://discordapp.com/channels/313110246643990528/313110246643990528 


Luke.

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Re: slackpocalypse? next steps?

[Oliver George]

Purely technical feature comparison seems good for shortlisting options.

How about making a selection criteria that the solution has been proven 
itself as a primary platform by one of the communities we admire.  

Possible benefits:
* Subtle features inherent in platforms will have played a role in shaping 
the community.  It'd be hard to identify/list/value them otherwise.
* Empirical way to break a tie where feature comparison is inconclusive

On Thursday, 25 May 2017 09:18:41 UTC+10, Sean Corfield wrote:
>
> I agree. There’s been a lot of hand-wringing about the potential impending 
> “Slackpocalypse” and it seems like some people think this is a problem that 
> needs to be “solved” (by consensus) – but, despite a lot of conversations 
> (in the #community-development channel on the Clojurians Slack primarily), 
> no “perfect solution” has yet been agreed… and to be honest that’s very 
> unlikely to happen: different people have different criteria for what is 
> acceptable.
>
>  
>
> Putting on my Clojurians Admin Hat, what I’d like to see happen here is 
> for each proposed “solution”:
>
>  
>
> Post a new thread on this mailing list with a subject “Slack alternative? 
> ” – with a brief overview of what the system 
> is, what platforms it runs on (including native mobile if available) and, 
> *most 
> importantly*, how to sign up and try it out for Clojure-related chatter. 
> Please include links to the service/product and other stuff you think is 
> relevant ☺
>
>  
>
> Until folks actually go and sign up and try out each service, we’re not 
> going to make progress.
>
>  
>
> As folks try each service, they can provide feedback in the relevant 
> thread – both *positive* as well as negative (constructively) please!
>
>  
>
> We’re almost certainly not going to find a *replacement* for Slack (or 
> any other communications medium) but we may find several *new, additional* 
> ways to communicate as a community.
>
>  
>
> Sean Corfield -- (970) FOR-SEAN -- (904) 302-SEAN
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
>
>  
>
> On 5/23/17, 6:22 PM, "Colin Yates"  
> on behalf of colin...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>  
>
> I've only been skimming this but "analysis paralysis" comes to mind :-). 
> What is the harm in establishing a presence in matrix (bagsy the "neo" 
> handle) and letting people know? As has been said, people will vote with 
> their feet so if in a months time matrix is a Clojure ghost town then 
> lesson learned. 
>
>  
>
> Or, if I have missed some pertinent fact then by all means, sigh, tut and 
> mutter "sheesh, these drive by commenters are annoying" :-).
>
> On Wednesday, 24 May 2017, Herwig Hochleitner  > wrote:
>
> 2017-05-23 23:04 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming :
>
> On 24 May 2017 at 00:13, Herwig Hochleitner  > wrote:
>
> I doubt the whole community would want to move anywhere from Slack.
>
>  
>
> Perhaps this will have to wait until Slack inevitably throws us off, then.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> What I'm saying is, that the whole community isn't in a single place 
> anyway. Slack happens to be most popular, right now, but we are spread 
> across IRC, gitter / github, slack, mailing lists, discord, stack overflow, 
> reddit and probably many more.
>
>  
>
> IMO trying to move everybody to one thing is an exercise in futility, but 
> consuming / producing to / from all those places through a generic protocol 
> is a realistic hope, as matrix is proving right now. 
>
>  
>
> It's a far cry from searching for "cursive" from anywhere in Clojurians, 
> though. Searching for channels based on some vague criteria seemed 
> difficult, and searching for Clojure related content across channels is 
> also a pretty bad experience.
>
>  
>
> Granted, matrix' search facilities are far from optimal, as of now. But 
> unlike the alternatives, just about everybody could be (and somebody 
> probably is) improving on that.
>
>  
>
> There has been some talk of making a Clojure-related room directory in an 
> external webpage or something but it's still a kludge. I'm not sure to what 
> extent this would be fixed if we ran our own room server, but then someone 
> has to maintain that.
>
>  
>
> Same. This is currently being worked on: 
> https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/2454
>
>  
>
> I'd just like to mention, that in the year or so, that I've been using 
> matrix, the stream of improvements has been pretty steady. So while 

Re: slackpocalypse? next steps?

[Sean Corfield]

On 5/25/17, 12:43 PM, "Luke Burton"  wrote:
> I've added the Discord invite link in this document

I gather that requires an app installed, not just a web browser? I clicked the 
link, clicked to accept the invite, and got an error about a discord:// link 
not being supported.

(this is the sort of discoverability / affordance issue that people complain 
about)

Sean



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Re: slackpocalypse? next steps?

[Gregg Reynolds]

On May 25, 2017 2:43 PM, "Luke Burton"  wrote:


I put together this "survey" a few days ago in the hope of starting to
collect some structured feedback on the pros and cons of each service. Very
much along the lines of what you're saying – I expect the end result would
be "people have diverse needs and each service satisfies a different need",
but it's nice to go through an exercise like this anyway, to proactively
think about what those needs are.

Unfortunately I have not had time to drive this further, but if anyone
would like to jump in and help that would be cool.

https://gist.github.com/hagmonk/284b1f2a6e5162f5b5a1b54cfa821318


here's a free hug for you ({[]}).

-g

p.s.  could we pretty please not top post?

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Re: slackpocalypse? next steps?

[Luke Burton]

I put together this "survey" a few days ago in the hope of starting to collect 
some structured feedback on the pros and cons of each service. Very much along 
the lines of what you're saying – I expect the end result would be "people have 
diverse needs and each service satisfies a different need", but it's nice to go 
through an exercise like this anyway, to proactively think about what those 
needs are.

Unfortunately I have not had time to drive this further, but if anyone would 
like to jump in and help that would be cool.

https://gist.github.com/hagmonk/284b1f2a6e5162f5b5a1b54cfa821318

I've added the Discord invite link in this document in case people missed it 
the first time.

A minor Discord update:

- we have about 200 people who signed up, and around 20 people online right 
now. So, not too many folks have gone out and experimented as yet. I encourage 
people who haven't experimented to give Discord a try, it has distinct 
strengths and weaknesses compared to Slack.

- we currently feel that Discord won't elegantly scale from a UI perspective to 
many hundreds of channels, since there is no notion of "joining" a channel – 
you see all of them all the time (grouped channels are landing soon, however). 
This promotes a different channel structure compared to Slack.

- the REPL bot code is Clojail'd and the code is up on GitHub (see channel for 
link). Discord's bot capabilities are pretty slick and high speed, there's a 
ton of cool stuff we could do. I genuinely think the repl-bot is territory 
worth exploring. It would not be too hard to give it almost notebook-like 
capabilities by allowing it to render images, as bots can attach arbitrary 
documents.

- default notifications have been fixed - people were getting buzzed by default 
way too much.

Ping me in Discord at @hagus if you would like settings changed, have 
questions, want to set up your own bot, etc!


> On May 24, 2017, at 4:18 PM, Sean Corfield  wrote:
> 
> I agree. There’s been a lot of hand-wringing about the potential impending 
> “Slackpocalypse” and it seems like some people think this is a problem that 
> needs to be “solved” (by consensus) – but, despite a lot of conversations (in 
> the #community-development channel on the Clojurians Slack primarily), no 
> “perfect solution” has yet been agreed… and to be honest that’s very unlikely 
> to happen: different people have different criteria for what is acceptable.
>  
> Putting on my Clojurians Admin Hat, what I’d like to see happen here is for 
> each proposed “solution”:
>  
> Post a new thread on this mailing list with a subject “Slack alternative? 
> ” – with a brief overview of what the system is, 
> what platforms it runs on (including native mobile if available) and, most 
> importantly, how to sign up and try it out for Clojure-related chatter. 
> Please include links to the service/product and other stuff you think is 
> relevant ☺
>  
> Until folks actually go and sign up and try out each service, we’re not going 
> to make progress.
>  
> As folks try each service, they can provide feedback in the relevant thread – 
> both positive as well as negative (constructively) please!
>  
> We’re almost certainly not going to find a replacement for Slack (or any 
> other communications medium) but we may find several new, additional ways to 
> communicate as a community.
>  
> Sean Corfield -- (970) FOR-SEAN -- (904) 302-SEAN
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ <http://corfield.org/>
> 
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
>  
> On 5/23/17, 6:22 PM, "Colin Yates"  <mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com> on behalf of colin.ya...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:colin.ya...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I've only been skimming this but "analysis paralysis" comes to mind :-). What 
> is the harm in establishing a presence in matrix (bagsy the "neo" handle) and 
> letting people know? As has been said, people will vote with their feet so if 
> in a months time matrix is a Clojure ghost town then lesson learned. 
>  
> Or, if I have missed some pertinent fact then by all means, sigh, tut and 
> mutter "sheesh, these drive by commenters are annoying" :-).
> 
> On Wednesday, 24 May 2017, Herwig Hochleitner  <mailto:hhochleit...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 2017-05-23 23:04 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming < <>colin.mailingl...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:colin.mailingl...@gmail.com>>:
>>> On 24 May 2017 at 00:13, Herwig Hochleitner < <>hhochleit...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:hhochleit...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> I doubt the whole community would want to move anywhere from Slack.
>>

Re: slackpocalypse? next steps?

[Sean Corfield]

I agree. There’s been a lot of hand-wringing about the potential impending 
“Slackpocalypse” and it seems like some people think this is a problem that 
needs to be “solved” (by consensus) – but, despite a lot of conversations (in 
the #community-development channel on the Clojurians Slack primarily), no 
“perfect solution” has yet been agreed… and to be honest that’s very unlikely 
to happen: different people have different criteria for what is acceptable.

 

Putting on my Clojurians Admin Hat, what I’d like to see happen here is for 
each proposed “solution”:

 

Post a new thread on this mailing list with a subject “Slack alternative? 
” – with a brief overview of what the system is, 
what platforms it runs on (including native mobile if available) and, most 
importantly, how to sign up and try it out for Clojure-related chatter. Please 
include links to the service/product and other stuff you think is relevant ☺

 

Until folks actually go and sign up and try out each service, we’re not going 
to make progress.

 

As folks try each service, they can provide feedback in the relevant thread – 
both positive as well as negative (constructively) please!

 

We’re almost certainly not going to find a replacement for Slack (or any other 
communications medium) but we may find several new, additional ways to 
communicate as a community.

 

Sean Corfield -- (970) FOR-SEAN -- (904) 302-SEAN
An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
-- Margaret Atwood

 

On 5/23/17, 6:22 PM, "Colin Yates"  wrote:

 

I've only been skimming this but "analysis paralysis" comes to mind :-). What 
is the harm in establishing a presence in matrix (bagsy the "neo" handle) and 
letting people know? As has been said, people will vote with their feet so if 
in a months time matrix is a Clojure ghost town then lesson learned. 

 

Or, if I have missed some pertinent fact then by all means, sigh, tut and 
mutter "sheesh, these drive by commenters are annoying" :-).

On Wednesday, 24 May 2017, Herwig Hochleitner  wrote:

2017-05-23 23:04 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming :

On 24 May 2017 at 00:13, Herwig Hochleitner  wrote:

I doubt the whole community would want to move anywhere from Slack.

 

Perhaps this will have to wait until Slack inevitably throws us off, then.

 

 

What I'm saying is, that the whole community isn't in a single place anyway. 
Slack happens to be most popular, right now, but we are spread across IRC, 
gitter / github, slack, mailing lists, discord, stack overflow, reddit and 
probably many more.

 

IMO trying to move everybody to one thing is an exercise in futility, but 
consuming / producing to / from all those places through a generic protocol is 
a realistic hope, as matrix is proving right now. 

 

It's a far cry from searching for "cursive" from anywhere in Clojurians, 
though. Searching for channels based on some vague criteria seemed difficult, 
and searching for Clojure related content across channels is also a pretty bad 
experience.

 

Granted, matrix' search facilities are far from optimal, as of now. But unlike 
the alternatives, just about everybody could be (and somebody probably is) 
improving on that.

 

There has been some talk of making a Clojure-related room directory in an 
external webpage or something but it's still a kludge. I'm not sure to what 
extent this would be fixed if we ran our own room server, but then someone has 
to maintain that.

 

Same. This is currently being worked on: 
https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/2454

 

I'd just like to mention, that in the year or so, that I've been using matrix, 
the stream of improvements has been pretty steady. So while it might not 
currently do everything we need, it's the best hope for bridging the community 
across all the various services that (will continue to) exist.

 

2017-05-23 23:31 GMT+02:00 Alan Moore :

I watched the matrix video linked above and it seems there is a Slack bridge 
that would allow Slack fans to stay put and others to choose their own client 
or even go back to IRC. What am I missing?

 

The slack bridge is working fine, but slack has a nagging limitation of one 
bridged room per organization or some "monetization incentive" like that.

 

If slack allowed a full bridge, "slackpocalypse" and its message limit would 
already be a solved problem. Such are the ways of proprietary services ...

 

I too have no skin in this game... I still prefer this mailing list, as is self 
evident. I suppose I could build a matrix bridge for Google Groups.

 

related: https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-email-bot

 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Andy Fingerhut  
wrote:

I have no skin in this game, but wasn't the move to Slack pretty much a "vote 
with your feet" combined with word of mou

Re: slackpocalypse?

[Colin Yates]

I've only been skimming this but "analysis paralysis" comes to mind :-).
What is the harm in establishing a presence in matrix (bagsy the "neo"
handle) and letting people know? As has been said, people will vote with
their feet so if in a months time matrix is a Clojure ghost town then
lesson learned.

Or, if I have missed some pertinent fact then by all means, sigh, tut and
mutter "sheesh, these drive by commenters are annoying" :-).

On Wednesday, 24 May 2017, Herwig Hochleitner 
wrote:

> 2017-05-23 23:04 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming  >:
>
>> On 24 May 2017 at 00:13, Herwig Hochleitner > > wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt the whole community would want to move anywhere from Slack.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps this will have to wait until Slack inevitably throws us off, then.
>>
>>
> What I'm saying is, that the whole community isn't in a single place
> anyway. Slack happens to be most popular, right now, but we are spread
> across IRC, gitter / github, slack, mailing lists, discord, stack overflow,
> reddit and probably many more.
>
> IMO trying to move everybody to one thing is an exercise in futility, but
> consuming / producing to / from all those places through a generic protocol
> is a realistic hope, as matrix is proving right now.
>
> It's a far cry from searching for "cursive" from anywhere in Clojurians,
>> though. Searching for channels based on some vague criteria seemed
>> difficult, and searching for Clojure related content across channels is
>> also a pretty bad experience.
>>
>
> Granted, matrix' search facilities are far from optimal, as of now. But
> unlike the alternatives, just about everybody could be (and somebody
> probably is) improving on that.
>
> There has been some talk of making a Clojure-related room directory in an
>> external webpage or something but it's still a kludge. I'm not sure to what
>> extent this would be fixed if we ran our own room server, but then someone
>> has to maintain that.
>>
>
> Same. This is currently being worked on: https://github.com/vector-
> im/riot-web/issues/2454
>
> I'd just like to mention, that in the year or so, that I've been using
> matrix, the stream of improvements has been pretty steady. So while it
> might not currently do everything we need, it's the best hope for bridging
> the community across all the various services that (will continue to) exist.
>
> 2017-05-23 23:31 GMT+02:00 Alan Moore  >:
>
>> I watched the matrix video linked above and it seems there is a Slack
>> bridge that would allow Slack fans to stay put and others to choose their
>> own client or even go back to IRC. What am I missing?
>>
>
> The slack bridge is working fine, but slack has a nagging limitation of
> one bridged room per organization or some "monetization incentive" like
> that.
>
> If slack allowed a full bridge, "slackpocalypse" and its message limit
> would already be a solved problem. Such are the ways of proprietary
> services ...
>
> I too have no skin in this game... I still prefer this mailing list, as is
>> self evident. I suppose I could build a matrix bridge for Google Groups.
>>
>
> related: https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-email-bot
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Andy Fingerhut > > wrote:
>>
>>> I have no skin in this game, but wasn't the move to Slack pretty much a
>>> "vote with your feet" combined with word of mouth advertising?  It seems to
>>> me the same could happen to add another on-line chat tool/system, without
>>> anyone taking a poll/voting on this or any other medium.  We'll know when
>>> it has happened by the rumor mill on Slack, IRC, and/or this email group.
>>>
>>
> Agreed, hence I advertise matrix because I hope more people will see it as
> a way, better than just a different silo.
> If "feet" will still choose a silo, there'll be a matrix bridge, as good
> as silo allows. Hence the risk of choosing wrong is minimized for everybody
> switching to matrix.
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Herwig Hochleitner]

2017-05-23 23:04 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming :

> On 24 May 2017 at 00:13, Herwig Hochleitner 
>  wrote:
>
>> I doubt the whole community would want to move anywhere from Slack.
>>
>
> Perhaps this will have to wait until Slack inevitably throws us off, then.
>
>
What I'm saying is, that the whole community isn't in a single place
anyway. Slack happens to be most popular, right now, but we are spread
across IRC, gitter / github, slack, mailing lists, discord, stack overflow,
reddit and probably many more.

IMO trying to move everybody to one thing is an exercise in futility, but
consuming / producing to / from all those places through a generic protocol
is a realistic hope, as matrix is proving right now.

It's a far cry from searching for "cursive" from anywhere in Clojurians,
> though. Searching for channels based on some vague criteria seemed
> difficult, and searching for Clojure related content across channels is
> also a pretty bad experience.
>

Granted, matrix' search facilities are far from optimal, as of now. But
unlike the alternatives, just about everybody could be (and somebody
probably is) improving on that.

There has been some talk of making a Clojure-related room directory in an
> external webpage or something but it's still a kludge. I'm not sure to what
> extent this would be fixed if we ran our own room server, but then someone
> has to maintain that.
>

Same. This is currently being worked on:
https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/2454

I'd just like to mention, that in the year or so, that I've been using
matrix, the stream of improvements has been pretty steady. So while it
might not currently do everything we need, it's the best hope for bridging
the community across all the various services that (will continue to) exist.

2017-05-23 23:31 GMT+02:00 Alan Moore :

> I watched the matrix video linked above and it seems there is a Slack
> bridge that would allow Slack fans to stay put and others to choose their
> own client or even go back to IRC. What am I missing?
>

The slack bridge is working fine, but slack has a nagging limitation of one
bridged room per organization or some "monetization incentive" like that.

If slack allowed a full bridge, "slackpocalypse" and its message limit
would already be a solved problem. Such are the ways of proprietary
services ...

I too have no skin in this game... I still prefer this mailing list, as is
> self evident. I suppose I could build a matrix bridge for Google Groups.
>

related: https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-email-bot

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Andy Fingerhut 
> wrote:
>
>> I have no skin in this game, but wasn't the move to Slack pretty much a
>> "vote with your feet" combined with word of mouth advertising?  It seems to
>> me the same could happen to add another on-line chat tool/system, without
>> anyone taking a poll/voting on this or any other medium.  We'll know when
>> it has happened by the rumor mill on Slack, IRC, and/or this email group.
>>
>
Agreed, hence I advertise matrix because I hope more people will see it as
a way, better than just a different silo.
If "feet" will still choose a silo, there'll be a matrix bridge, as good as
silo allows. Hence the risk of choosing wrong is minimized for everybody
switching to matrix.

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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Alan Moore]

I watched the matrix video linked above and it seems there is a Slack
bridge that would allow Slack fans to stay put and others to choose their
own client or even go back to IRC. What am I missing?

I too have no skin in this game... I still prefer this mailing list, as is
self evident. I suppose I could build a matrix bridge for Google Groups.

Alan

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> "vote with your feet" combined with word of mouth advertising?  It seems to
> me the same could happen to add another on-line chat tool/system, without
> anyone taking a poll/voting on this or any other medium.  We'll know when
> it has happened by the rumor mill on Slack, IRC, and/or this email group.
>
> Andy
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Colin Fleming <
> colin.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 24 May 2017 at 00:13, Herwig Hochleitner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt the whole community would want to move anywhere from Slack.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps this will have to wait until Slack inevitably throws us off, then.
>>
>> What would you need to solve your discoverability issues (a)? Isn't it as
>>> easy as handing out a link like https://riot.im/app/#/roo
>>> m/#clojure-community:matrix.org ? Not even registration needed.
>>>
>>
>> It's a far cry from searching for "cursive" from anywhere in Clojurians,
>> though. Searching for channels based on some vague criteria seemed
>> difficult, and searching for Clojure related content across channels is
>> also a pretty bad experience. There has been some talk of making a
>> Clojure-related room directory in an external webpage or something but it's
>> still a kludge. I'm not sure to what extent this would be fixed if we ran
>> our own room server, but then someone has to maintain that.
>>
>>
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Andy Fingerhut]

I have no skin in this game, but wasn't the move to Slack pretty much a
"vote with your feet" combined with word of mouth advertising?  It seems to
me the same could happen to add another on-line chat tool/system, without
anyone taking a poll/voting on this or any other medium.  We'll know when
it has happened by the rumor mill on Slack, IRC, and/or this email group.

Andy

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Colin Fleming 
wrote:

> On 24 May 2017 at 00:13, Herwig Hochleitner 
> wrote:
>
>> I doubt the whole community would want to move anywhere from Slack.
>>
>
> Perhaps this will have to wait until Slack inevitably throws us off, then.
>
> What would you need to solve your discoverability issues (a)? Isn't it as
>> easy as handing out a link like https://riot.im/app/#/roo
>> m/#clojure-community:matrix.org ? Not even registration needed.
>>
>
> It's a far cry from searching for "cursive" from anywhere in Clojurians,
> though. Searching for channels based on some vague criteria seemed
> difficult, and searching for Clojure related content across channels is
> also a pretty bad experience. There has been some talk of making a
> Clojure-related room directory in an external webpage or something but it's
> still a kludge. I'm not sure to what extent this would be fixed if we ran
> our own room server, but then someone has to maintain that.
>
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Colin Fleming]

On 24 May 2017 at 00:13, Herwig Hochleitner  wrote:

> I doubt the whole community would want to move anywhere from Slack.
>

Perhaps this will have to wait until Slack inevitably throws us off, then.

What would you need to solve your discoverability issues (a)? Isn't it as
> easy as handing out a link like https://riot.im/app/#/
> room/#clojure-community:matrix.org ? Not even registration needed.
>

It's a far cry from searching for "cursive" from anywhere in Clojurians,
though. Searching for channels based on some vague criteria seemed
difficult, and searching for Clojure related content across channels is
also a pretty bad experience. There has been some talk of making a
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still a kludge. I'm not sure to what extent this would be fixed if we ran
our own room server, but then someone has to maintain that.



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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Herwig Hochleitner]

2017-05-23 12:19 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming :

>  I doubt the whole community would want to move there from Slack
>

I doubt the whole community would want to move anywhere from Slack.

my main requirements are that a) people can find me easily, b) everything
> works with no hassle and c) old conversations don't disappear. Matrix fails
> pretty badly on a), is ok with some serious usability issues on b) and is
> ok for c), modulo that searching is a pain (can either search a single room
> or all rooms, not all Clojure-related ones).
>

What would you need to solve your discoverability issues (a)? Isn't it as
easy as handing out a link like
https://riot.im/app/#/room/#clojure-community:matrix.org ? Not even
registration needed.

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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Colin Fleming]

There's been a lot of discussion around this, there's a page about the
possibility of moving to Matrix here:
https://hackpad.com/The-case-for-Matrix-xRXYSO9zpyh. While it has some nice
properties (decentralised, open, can be encrypted etc) it comes at a
serious usability cost. I doubt the whole community would want to move
there from Slack.

Personally I'd prefer Discord, since I use these things for support and my
main requirements are that a) people can find me easily, b) everything
works with no hassle and c) old conversations don't disappear. Matrix fails
pretty badly on a), is ok with some serious usability issues on b) and is
ok for c), modulo that searching is a pain (can either search a single room
or all rooms, not all Clojure-related ones).

Really, my only actual problem with Slack is the disappearing messages, but
that is bad enough that I definitely think we should move. I vote Discord.

On 23 May 2017 at 19:40, Herwig Hochleitner  wrote:

> 2017-05-22 15:50 GMT+02:00 Gregg Reynolds :
>
>>
>> Took a closer look - now I remember where I saw matrix before, they
>> participate in tadhacks .  It's not really an
>> app, much more ambitious than that.  Definitely deserves a closer look.
>>
>
> Yes, it's a decentralized persistent chat protocol with bridging between
> silos in mind. This current talk does a pretty good job of explaining it:
> https://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/fosdem-video/2017/
> Janson/encrypting_matrix.mp4
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Herwig Hochleitner]

2017-05-22 15:50 GMT+02:00 Gregg Reynolds :

>
> Took a closer look - now I remember where I saw matrix before, they
> participate in tadhacks .  It's not really an
> app, much more ambitious than that.  Definitely deserves a closer look.
>

Yes, it's a decentralized persistent chat protocol with bridging between
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https://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/fosdem-video/2017/Janson/encrypting_matrix.mp4

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Re: slackpocalypse?

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On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Herwig Hochleitner 
wrote:

> 2017-05-22 0:28 GMT+02:00 Gregg Reynolds :
>
>>
>> Took a quick look.  I must say the UI is not particularly impressive.  So
>> far, I find discord much more intuitive.
>>
>
> If discord was decentralized _and_ open source, then I'd say we could have
> this comparison.
>

Yikes.  I had assumed it was open, since that's the motivation for moving
off slack, and didn't bother to look.

>
> As it is, I'd much rather forfeit some user-friendliness and take the
> opportunity to improve one of the various clients or write my own (how many
> clients does discord offer? http://matrix.org/docs/
> projects/try-matrix-now.html) over getting locked into yet another
> proprietary silo and finding myself at yet another dead-end sooner or later.
>

Took a closer look - now I remember where I saw matrix before, they
participate in tadhacks .  It's not really an
app, much more ambitious than that.  Definitely deserves a closer look.

G


>
> Also, development is steady and I've already witnessed some pretty cool
> improvements over the short months I'm using it.
> Also, it can immediately replace your IRC client (thanks to its IRC
> bridge) and even give you message persistence as an added benefit, in
> effect it can already be your IRC bouncer without you running anything.
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Re: slackpocalypse?

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2017-05-22 0:28 GMT+02:00 Gregg Reynolds :

>
> Took a quick look.  I must say the UI is not particularly impressive.  So
> far, I find discord much more intuitive.
>

If discord was decentralized _and_ open source, then I'd say we could have
this comparison.

As it is, I'd much rather forfeit some user-friendliness and take the
opportunity to improve one of the various clients or write my own (how many
clients does discord offer?
http://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html) over getting locked
into yet another proprietary silo and finding myself at yet another
dead-end sooner or later.

Also, development is steady and I've already witnessed some pretty cool
improvements over the short months I'm using it.
Also, it can immediately replace your IRC client (thanks to its IRC bridge)
and even give you message persistence as an added benefit, in effect it can
already be your IRC bouncer without you running anything.

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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Gregg Reynolds]

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> As I said in the other thread, let's migrate to matrix.org:
> https://riot.im/app/#/room/#clojure:matrix.org
> There, if the official servers ever get overloaded/dropped/monetized, we
> can just start hosting our own server without loosing any history.
> Also it has no message limit and full searchability.
>

Took a quick look.  I must say the UI is not particularly impressive.  So
far, I find discord much more intuitive.

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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Ravindra Jaju]

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 10:51 PM, Mars0i  wrote:

> Slack is working for me today.  There are posts in the Clojure channel,
> for example, from just two hours ago.  Maybe the end of the world didn't
> occur?  On the other hand, the Specter channel says only "To see this
> channel's full history, upgrade to one of our paid plans."  I'm not sure I
> understand.  Is the idea that old posts are simply getting dropped to
> retain no more than 10K posts, and there have been 10K since the last
> Specter post?  I'm a little bit confused by the whole situation.  I was a
> latecomer to Slack, and still don't use it as much as some other folks.
> Did we start using Slack knowing that one day it would be cut off when
> there were too many posts?
>

My understanding is that the 10K limit applies to an entire "organization."
A busy channel will drown others.

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slackpocalypse?

[Alan Moore]

I found the Slack (and IRC) channel most useful for quick questions I need 
immediate feedback for. I found myself missing the email traffic that used to 
happen on this list but has gone over to Slack. Maybe it is the search that I 
found lacking or just the effort one usually puts into forming a solid question 
via email that doesn't seem to happen on Slack and IRC derivatives.

I don't have any strong moral objections to using non-FOSS tools so long as the 
company/group isn't going to pivot and monitize our content. My concerns are 
more practical and unfortunately it seems email lists are the most stable & 
sustainable.

In other news... I'm designing/building a community platform (targeted 
specifically at software development) in Clojure & ClojureScript, that includes 
chat and mailing lists, but it isn't *anywhere* near ready. Initially I am 
leveraging GitLab & Mattermost until the Clojure versions (or integrations?) 
are ready. I have larger plans involving cooperatives that make it worth having 
access in Clojure & ClojureScript. Maybe some time in the next year it will be 
ready for a community as large as this... or not. If anyone is interested in 
helping design or build it feel free to ping me offline at alan coopsource org, 
w/ the usual punctuation implied.

My 2ct.

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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Gregg Reynolds]

just for fun i posted a mini-survey on #clojure (on slack clojurians)
asking more or less, "should we dump slack?"

after almost 24 hours, the results are in:

yea: 7

nay: 3

chicken:  5

a whopping response rate of 15 out of about 10K!

Conclusion: not perceived as a big issue.

On May 20, 2017 12:21 PM, "Mars0i"  wrote:

Slack is working for me today.  There are posts in the Clojure channel, for
example, from just two hours ago.  Maybe the end of the world didn't
occur?  On the other hand, the Specter channel says only "To see this
channel's full history, upgrade to one of our paid plans."  I'm not sure I
understand.  Is the idea that old posts are simply getting dropped to
retain no more than 10K posts, and there have been 10K since the last
Specter post?  I'm a little bit confused by the whole situation.  I was a
latecomer to Slack, and still don't use it as much as some other folks.
Did we start using Slack knowing that one day it would be cut off when
there were too many posts?

(I haven't tried the new Discord group yet, and as I've said earlier, have
no opinions about relative benefits of different post-IRC platforms.  I've
also heard positive things about Gitter btw; it wasn't mentioned earlier in
this thread.  I do think there might be benefit to using fewer rather than
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Mars0i]

Slack is working for me today.  There are posts in the Clojure channel, for 
example, from just two hours ago.  Maybe the end of the world didn't 
occur?  On the other hand, the Specter channel says only "To see this 
channel's full history, upgrade to one of our paid plans."  I'm not sure I 
understand.  Is the idea that old posts are simply getting dropped to 
retain no more than 10K posts, and there have been 10K since the last 
Specter post?  I'm a little bit confused by the whole situation.  I was a 
latecomer to Slack, and still don't use it as much as some other folks.  
Did we start using Slack knowing that one day it would be cut off when 
there were too many posts?

(I haven't tried the new Discord group yet, and as I've said earlier, have 
no opinions about relative benefits of different post-IRC platforms.  I've 
also heard positive things about Gitter btw; it wasn't mentioned earlier in 
this thread.  I do think there might be benefit to using fewer rather than 
more of these options.)



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Re: slackpocalypse?

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On May 19, 2017 2:57 PM, "Alex Miller"  wrote:


On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 2:27:35 PM UTC-5, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
>
>
> I'm inclined to think moving away from slack would be wise, but only with
> the blessing of the core Clojure team.  After all any of us could set up
> something on matrix or discourse etc. but if successful that would lead to
> fragmentation of the community.
>
> I wonder what the thinking within the core team is on this.
>

Our "official" channels for Clojure discussion are the clojure,
clojurescript, and clojure-dev mailing lists. We moderate and maintain
these lists.

The Clojure/core team has no involvement with the creation or management of
the Clojurians Slack channel. The community does not need our blessing to
set up a discussion forum - we're happy to have more places for Clojure
folks to talk about Clojure. I'd rather have the community decide what they
want to do - we (the core team) are not looking to add additional
moderation/admin duties beyond what we currently do.


gee, why not?  ;)

Perhaps the new group that was established under the Software Freedom
Conservancy could be of assistance in choosing and managing a preferred
forum.


link?

I don't have time to figger out how to do this correctly at the moment, but
some kind of survey of folks on the various comm. channels seems to be in
order. Some topics, loosely: given what we (think we) know about slack, is
that a prob?  if we wanted to go elsewhere, where would that be?  if we did
go elsewhere, would you, too?  etc.  Volunteers?

moving from slack to sth else would be a big job.


I personally monitor (to varying degrees): the mailing lists, Slack,
#clojure on irc, clojure subreddit, and Twitter and try to answer questions
in those locations based on my available time to do so.


for the record you and your colleagues (including all the volunteers) do an
amazing job!

Alex


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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Alex Miller]

On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 2:27:35 PM UTC-5, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
>
>
> I'm inclined to think moving away from slack would be wise, but only with 
> the blessing of the core Clojure team.  After all any of us could set up 
> something on matrix or discourse etc. but if successful that would lead to 
> fragmentation of the community.
>
> I wonder what the thinking within the core team is on this.
>

Our "official" channels for Clojure discussion are the clojure, 
clojurescript, and clojure-dev mailing lists. We moderate and maintain 
these lists.

The Clojure/core team has no involvement with the creation or management of 
the Clojurians Slack channel. The community does not need our blessing to 
set up a discussion forum - we're happy to have more places for Clojure 
folks to talk about Clojure. I'd rather have the community decide what they 
want to do - we (the core team) are not looking to add additional 
moderation/admin duties beyond what we currently do. Perhaps the new group 
that was established under the Software Freedom Conservancy could be of 
assistance in choosing and managing a preferred forum.

I personally monitor (to varying degrees): the mailing lists, Slack, 
#clojure on irc, clojure subreddit, and Twitter and try to answer questions 
in those locations based on my available time to do so.

Alex
 

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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Gregg Reynolds]

On May 19, 2017 2:11 PM, "'Lee Spector' via Clojure" <
clojure@googlegroups.com> wrote:


FWIW my research group used Slack for a while, but we switched to Discourse
close to two years ago and have been quite happy with it (
https://push-language.hampshire.edu, although only a tiny subset is
publicly viewable).

We're a much smaller community, with different needs, but still, I can
attest to Discourse being nice in several ways. Among other things, it
seems to encourage more deliberative interactions than I generally see on
Slack, with a better mix of rapid communication with longer-term
documentation.


I'm inclined to think moving away from slack would be wise, but only with
the blessing of the core Clojure team.  After all any of us could set up
something on matrix or discourse etc. but if successful that would lead to
fragmentation of the community.

I wonder what the thinking within the core team is on this.

g

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Re: slackpocalypse?

['Lee Spector' via Clojure]

FWIW my research group used Slack for a while, but we switched to Discourse 
close to two years ago and have been quite happy with it 
(https://push-language.hampshire.edu, although only a tiny subset is publicly 
viewable). 

We're a much smaller community, with different needs, but still, I can attest 
to Discourse being nice in several ways. Among other things, it seems to 
encourage more deliberative interactions than I generally see on Slack, with a 
better mix of rapid communication with longer-term documentation. 

 -Lee

> On May 19, 2017, at 1:01 PM, Mars0i  wrote:
> 
> I have no opinion, but fwiw the OCaml folks began experimenting with 
> Discourse about a week ago: https://discuss.ocaml.org.
> 
> This isn't really an IRC/Slack style platform, afaics, but the discussions 
> that led up to it included concern about Slack's message limit.  (These 
> discussions can be found on the Google OCaml Aggregation list starting last 
> summer.)

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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Mars0i]

I have no opinion, but fwiw the OCaml folks began experimenting with Discourse 
about a week ago: https://discuss.ocaml.org.

This isn't really an IRC/Slack style platform, afaics, but the discussions that 
led up to it included concern about Slack's message limit.  (These discussions 
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Herwig Hochleitner]

As I said in the other thread, let's migrate to matrix.org:
https://riot.im/app/#/room/#clojure:matrix.org
There, if the official servers ever get overloaded/dropped/monetized, we
can just start hosting our own server without loosing any history.
Also it has no message limit and full searchability.
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Re: slackpocalypse? (Alternatives to Slack like Matrix.org)

[Herwig Hochleitner]

In any such discussion, I'll heavily favor matrix.org. To me,
decentralization seems inevitable and I hope that it will already carry,
what marketers will be calling web 3.0. Current matrix.org infrastructure
is only semi-decentralized (similar to xmpp), but the data model is already
built with full decentralization in mind and current matrix clients are
already pretty complete and user friendly.

That said, I'm not aware of any existing Clojure/ClojureScript integration,
but I fathom it would be natural to just use
https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-js-sdk from ClojureScript.

Also, have a look at the Clojure Community channel (bridged to a slack
channel): https://riot.im/app/#/room/#clojure-community:matrix.org
and the IRC bridge channel: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#clojure:matrix.org

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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Cam Peterson]

A company I did some work for adopted Ryver for the very reason that it was the 
"free" alternative to Slack. While it did most of the job as the company's comm 
bus, my experience was that they are a far cry from Slack. The integration 
story is weak too. This crowd would not be happy with Ryver, though it's not a 
bad choice for a smaller company that needs free chat. 

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Re: slackpocalypse? (Alternatives to Slack like Matrix.org)

[Paul Fernhout]

Here is an essay I wrote in January 2016 against using Slack for FOSS
(which cites that Ryver page): 
http://pdfernhout.net/reasons-not-to-use-slack-for-free-software-development.html

The biggest practical issue (ignoring philosophical ones or theoretical
ones) is probably "Slack is focused on teams, not communities".

The essay mentions some FOSS alternatives including Mattermost (which
can import Slack history) and Matrix.org (which is decentralized). 

Perhaps someone knows if there is already a Clojure/ClojureScript
frontend to Matrix.org? :-)

--Paul Fernhout (pdfernhout.net)
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of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity."

On 18.05.2017 17:31, Gregg Reynolds wrote:

> looks like access is restored, for me at least.  still, slack is making me a 
> little nervous. and that's in addition to the 10K msg limit, which is a pain. 
>  anybody know antything about ryver? https://ryver.com/ryver-vs-slack/ 
> 
> On May 18, 2017 3:15 PM, "Gregg Reynolds"  wrote:
> 
>> is it just me? i've been unable to connect to clojurians (by cellphone) for 
>> about 30 minutes, but i can connect to other slack groups. 
>> 
>> have we hit 
>> https://github.com/clojurians/clojurians-chat/wiki/Slackpocalypse [1]?  
>> we're almost to 10K subscribers. 
>> 
>> g
 

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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Gregg Reynolds]

On May 18, 2017 5:06 PM, "Timothy Baldridge"  wrote:

You know, there's this awesome bit of tech called IRC...someone should
check that out.


there's also this "email" thing people are talking about, but i don't
really understand it.  a series of tubes of some kind, i gather.

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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Gregg Reynolds]

On May 18, 2017 5:06 PM, "Timothy Baldridge"  wrote:

You know, there's this awesome bit of tech called IRC...someone should
check that out.


that is so 90s!


On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Gregg Reynolds  wrote:

> looks like access is restored, for me at least.  still, slack is making me
> a little nervous. and that's in addition to the 10K msg limit, which is a
> pain.  anybody know antything about ryver? https://ryver.com/ryver
> -vs-slack/
>
> On May 18, 2017 3:15 PM, "Gregg Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> is it just me? i've been unable to connect to clojurians (by cellphone)
>> for about 30 minutes, but i can connect to other slack groups.
>>
>> have we hit https://github.com/clojurians/clojurians-chat/wiki/Slack
>> pocalypse?  we're almost to 10K subscribers.
>>
>> g
>>
>>
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Timothy Baldridge]

You know, there's this awesome bit of tech called IRC...someone should
check that out.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Gregg Reynolds  wrote:

> looks like access is restored, for me at least.  still, slack is making me
> a little nervous. and that's in addition to the 10K msg limit, which is a
> pain.  anybody know antything about ryver? https://ryver.com/
> ryver-vs-slack/
>
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>
>> is it just me? i've been unable to connect to clojurians (by cellphone)
>> for about 30 minutes, but i can connect to other slack groups.
>>
>> have we hit https://github.com/clojurians/clojurians-chat/wiki/
>> Slackpocalypse?  we're almost to 10K subscribers.
>>
>> g
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Gregg Reynolds]

looks like access is restored, for me at least.  still, slack is making me
a little nervous. and that's in addition to the 10K msg limit, which is a
pain.  anybody know antything about ryver? https://ryver.com/ryver-vs-slack/

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> is it just me? i've been unable to connect to clojurians (by cellphone)
> for about 30 minutes, but i can connect to other slack groups.
>
> have we hit https://github.com/clojurians/clojurians-chat/
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> g
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Dragan Djuric]

Southeast Europe.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:45 PM Gregg Reynolds  wrote:

>
>
> On May 18, 2017 3:40 PM, "Dragan Djuric"  wrote:
>
> It works for me as always.
>
>
> hmm, maybe it's a hiccup.  where are you located, if you don't mind my
> asking.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 10:34:33 PM UTC+2, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 18, 2017 3:32 PM, "Jason Stewart"  wrote:
>>
>> I'm experiencing the same thing, while I am able to connect with my other
>> slack teams.
>>
>>
>> this is not looking good.  https://davechen.net/2017/01/slack-user-limit/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Kenny Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not able to connect via the web UI or Slack app either.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:15:17 PM UTC-7, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
>>>>
>>>> is it just me? i've been unable to connect to clojurians (by cellphone)
>>>> for about 30 minutes, but i can connect to other slack groups.
>>>>
>>>> have we hit
>>>> https://github.com/clojurians/clojurians-chat/wiki/Slackpocalypse?
>>>>  we're almost to 10K subscribers.
>>>>
>>>> g
>>>>
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Gregg Reynolds]

On May 18, 2017 3:40 PM, "Dragan Djuric"  wrote:

It works for me as always.


hmm, maybe it's a hiccup.  where are you located, if you don't mind my
asking.


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>
>
> On May 18, 2017 3:32 PM, "Jason Stewart"  wrote:
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>
>
> this is not looking good.  https://davechen.net/2017/01/slack-user-limit/
>
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Kenny Williams 
> wrote:
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>> I am not able to connect via the web UI or Slack app either.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:15:17 PM UTC-7, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
>>>
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>>>
>>> have we hit https://github.com/clojurians/clojurians-chat/wiki/
>>> Slackpocalypse?  we're almost to 10K subscribers.
>>>
>>> g
>>>
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Timothy Baldridge]

It's not working for me. I'm in the US, connecting via Chrome.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Dragan Djuric  wrote:

> It works for me as always.
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 10:34:33 PM UTC+2, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On May 18, 2017 3:32 PM, "Jason Stewart"  wrote:
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>>
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>> this is not looking good.  https://davechen.net/2017/01/slack-user-limit/
>>
>>
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>> wrote:
>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> have we hit https://github.com/clojurians/clojurians-chat/wiki/
>>>> Slackpocalypse?  we're almost to 10K subscribers.
>>>>
>>>> g
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Re: slackpocalypse?

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It works for me as always.

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 10:34:33 PM UTC+2, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
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> this is not looking good.  https://davechen.net/2017/01/slack-user-limit/
>
>
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>>
>>
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>>>
>>> have we hit 
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>>> g
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Gregg Reynolds]

On May 18, 2017 3:32 PM, "Jason Stewart"  wrote:

I'm experiencing the same thing, while I am able to connect with my other
slack teams.


this is not looking good.  https://davechen.net/2017/01/slack-user-limit/


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> I am not able to connect via the web UI or Slack app either.
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>> have we hit https://github.com/clojurians/clojurians-chat/wiki/Slack
>> pocalypse?  we're almost to 10K subscribers.
>>
>> g
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Jason Stewart]

I'm experiencing the same thing, while I am able to connect with my other
slack teams.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Kenny Williams 
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>> Slackpocalypse?  we're almost to 10K subscribers.
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>> g
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Gregg Reynolds]

On May 18, 2017 3:17 PM, "Kenny Williams"  wrote:

I am not able to connect via the web UI or Slack app either.


slack = bitkeeper?  i wonder if linus torvalds is busy.


On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:15:17 PM UTC-7, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
>
> is it just me? i've been unable to connect to clojurians (by cellphone)
> for about 30 minutes, but i can connect to other slack groups.
>
> have we hit https://github.com/clojurians/clojurians-chat/wiki/
> Slackpocalypse?  we're almost to 10K subscribers.
>
> g
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Re: slackpocalypse?

[Kenny Williams]

I am not able to connect via the web UI or Slack app either.

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:15:17 PM UTC-7, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
>
> is it just me? i've been unable to connect to clojurians (by cellphone) 
> for about 30 minutes, but i can connect to other slack groups.
>
> have we hit 
> https://github.com/clojurians/clojurians-chat/wiki/Slackpocalypse?  we're 
> almost to 10K subscribers.
>
> g
>
>
>

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slackpocalypse?

[Gregg Reynolds]

is it just me? i've been unable to connect to clojurians (by cellphone) for
about 30 minutes, but i can connect to other slack groups.

have we hit
https://github.com/clojurians/clojurians-chat/wiki/Slackpocalypse?  we're
almost to 10K subscribers.

g

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