Re: [atomic-devel] Introducing sen: terminal user interface for docker engine

[Daniel J Walsh]

On 10/27/2015 07:41 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 10:13:17 AM Stef Walter wrote:
>> On 27.10.2015 09:59, Tomas Tomecek wrote:
>>> Quoting Joe Brockmeier (2015-10-27 01:55:17)
>>>
 Any chance this is going to be a Cloud feature for Fedora 24?
 (Probably jst a bit late to slip into F23 now.)

 Best,

 jzb
>>> Way too late for f23 since I just made it work recently and I'm sure
>>> it's full of bugs (and missing features).
>>>
>>> I'm planning to package this to Fedora, no question. Can submit it
>>> as a f24 feature.
> Nice. I'm CC'ing the cloud working group here as well. 
>
>>> One could think that sen is directly competing with cockpit. That's
>>> true. The difference is target audience -- sen is meant for folks
>>> who are not fans of webuis and prefer terminal instead. Not sure if
>>> this should be mentioned in the feature proposal.
> Nope, totally different audience. 
>  
>> Yup. Doesn't compete with Cockpit at all. In fact you could use it
>> within Cockpit's terminal, if you were feeling really funky ...
> I like this. Container-ception? 
>
> Best, 
>
> jzb
It would be nice if they shared some of the same code though, if possible?
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Re: [atomic-devel] Introducing sen: terminal user interface for docker engine

[Joe Brockmeier]

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 10:13:17 AM Stef Walter wrote:
> On 27.10.2015 09:59, Tomas Tomecek wrote:
> > Quoting Joe Brockmeier (2015-10-27 01:55:17)
> > 
> >> Any chance this is going to be a Cloud feature for Fedora 24?
> >> (Probably jst a bit late to slip into F23 now.)
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> 
> >> jzb
> > 
> > Way too late for f23 since I just made it work recently and I'm sure
> > it's full of bugs (and missing features).
> > 
> > I'm planning to package this to Fedora, no question. Can submit it
> > as a f24 feature.

Nice. I'm CC'ing the cloud working group here as well. 

> > One could think that sen is directly competing with cockpit. That's
> > true. The difference is target audience -- sen is meant for folks
> > who are not fans of webuis and prefer terminal instead. Not sure if
> > this should be mentioned in the feature proposal.

Nope, totally different audience. 
 
> Yup. Doesn't compete with Cockpit at all. In fact you could use it
> within Cockpit's terminal, if you were feeling really funky ...

I like this. Container-ception? 

Best, 

jzb
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Why I'm excited about Atomic for Fedora

[Matthew Miller]

I've spent the last 3+ years asking people what they would like from a
guest operating system in the cloud. Sometimes framed as "Why did you
choose Fedora?", sometimes as "Why didn't you choose Fedora?", and
sometimes basically the generic question.

I'd say that overall, the reason people say that they chose what they
did was either familiarity, or that they found documentation — or
another person — doing a similar thing, and they just followed whatever
OS that had.

When I ask what they *want*, though, there's a somewhat different
story. It's pretty universal, though: a small, simple base without much
risk, and a library of components to go on top of that.

Fedora Cloud Base is a decent job of being a small base, although we
still have a lot of dependency bloat and updates churn. But the library
of stuff — languages, services — is difficult. We've got a great set of
packages, but they're largely irrelevant, because the versions are
usually changing too quickly. Mostly, you've got to bring your own
stacks.

I'd hoped that we could answer this by slimming down the base and then
offering a wide selection of SCLs on top. But, I don't think that's
really panning out. The base is way less minimal than I'd like, and I
don't know a good way to manage the updates situation. And SCLs are
both still somewhat stuck *and* unlikely to explode (in the good sense)
if they get unstuck.

For people who chose Fedora Cloud already — familiarity, or they found
someone else familiar — we're probably okay. No one has anything
negative to say about the work we've done — in fact, people who have
chosen it generally say good things. I think it's very useful to keep
producing Fedora Cloud Base for that group. But... it's a small club.

So, enter Atomic Host plus containers. This is, basically, exactly what
people have been asking for. The ostree tech brings some order to the
base, making updates more reliable and testable. And containers bring
us the library of components — at the very least making it easier to
bring your own, and ideally providing a new, better way for us to offer
different versions, possibly with a different lifecycle.

That's why I'd like to move the Cloud Base image to a dedicated
cloud.fedoraproject.org page along the lines of
http://arm.fedoraproject.org, and replace Cloud with Atomic Host as a
top level on , and to rename Cloud WG
to Atomic WG (but still keeping the Cloud SIG to work on the Base
image).

This is all just my 2¢, but I hope you'll consider them 2¢ with a lot
of prior listening. If you have a counter story which will help us
significantly grow adoption of Cloud Base *instead*, I'd love to hear
it.


-- 
Matthew Miller

Fedora Project Leader
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Re: Why I'm excited about Atomic for Fedora

[Pete Travis]

On Oct 27, 2015 7:24 PM, "Bruce Harrison" 
wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> Although I just downloaded the Fedora Cloud, I want to test it and, if it
is what I am looking for, let some of my customers who live on DeskTone,
give this a test drive from a fast thumb drive on a laptop or even a
modified Chromebook. These people are attorneys and real estate
professionals that need the dependability of the cloud without Redmond
controlling how they use the vehicle to get there - something lean and mean.
>
> If the team can get it smaller and it can access DeskTone, the universe
may expand more quickly.
>
> Bruce
>
>

You have me a little confused, Bruce.  Fedora Cloud is an image intended to
run in the cloud, to *build* services like DeskTone.  You don't run it on
bare metal, at least not without a lot of work - at which point, you may as
well start with something different.  Fedora might do what you're looking
for - but what is that?

--Pete
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