Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-04 Thread Bill Hoffman

Robert Dailey wrote:



The problem isn't about MAC line endings not working. I could care less 
about line ending requirements, I'll go with whatever works. The main 
problem I have is that CMake didn't TELL me what the problem was. It 
should have said, Hey dummy, your line endings are unacceptable. Please 
change them to LINUX line endings. That would have saved me hours of time!


Sure, it is just that you are the very first person to run  into this in 
the last 8 years.  I am curious how you created the file. I will try to 
come up with a way to detect mac files and issue an error.


-Bill

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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-04 Thread Robert Dailey
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Bill Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Robert Dailey wrote:


 The problem isn't about MAC line endings not working. I could care less
 about line ending requirements, I'll go with whatever works. The main
 problem I have is that CMake didn't TELL me what the problem was. It should
 have said, Hey dummy, your line endings are unacceptable. Please change
 them to LINUX line endings. That would have saved me hours of time!


 Sure, it is just that you are the very first person to run  into this in
 the last 8 years.  I am curious how you created the file. I will try to come
 up with a way to detect mac files and issue an error.


I used Notepad++ to edit my file. I didn't change line endings manually, so
MAC must be set as the default for some reason. Notepad++ has some great
syntax highlighting for CMake scripts.
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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-03 Thread Bill Hoffman

Robert Dailey wrote:

Well, good news and bad news on this subject.

The good news is that I managed to get my includes working in my initial 
case. I had my includes.cmake file in the wrong directory


The bad news is now I'm having another issue with include(), and this 
time I DO have my cmake files in the correct directory. I have a file 
called utility.cmake which has a couple of Boost CMake utility 
functions in it that I'm borrowing, PARSE_ARGUMENTS() being one of them. 
When I do include( utility.cmake ) it works fine and I get no errors 
when I include it, however when I try to call parse_arguments() in the 
CMakeLists.txt file that's performing the include() it says:


/*Unknown CMake command parse_arguments.*/

Any idea why it can't find that macro?



Maybe it finds the wrong utility.cmake file?

Try adding some message(here) type stuff to make sure the correct 
files are being loaded.  With cmake 2.6.2 you can run cmake --trace to 
see all the files and commands as they are run by cmake.  Should help 
you find the problem pretty quick.


-Bill
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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-03 Thread Robert Dailey
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Bill Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Maybe it finds the wrong utility.cmake file?

 Try adding some message(here) type stuff to make sure the correct files
 are being loaded.  With cmake 2.6.2 you can run cmake --trace to see all the
 files and commands as they are run by cmake.  Should help you find the
 problem pretty quick.


I did as you suggested and added a message() call inside of utility.cmake
and I see it printed when I run CMake. So this means I'm loading the correct
file then?
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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-03 Thread Robert Dailey
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Bill Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Did you try the --trace?  Maybe a spelling error?   Please post a complete
 small example that shows the problem if none of that helps.


Below is the relevant portion of the output from --trace. It's a bit hard to
read, but notice that after the include( utility.cmake ) line there is no
code included. Odd.

C:/IT/work/jewett/CMakeLists.txt(1):  cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.6 )
C:/IT/work/jewett/CMakeLists.txt(5):  set(third_party
${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/third_party )
C:/IT/work/jewett/CMakeLists.txt(7):  add_subdirectory(vfx )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(1):  cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.6
)
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(3):  project(vfx )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(5):  include(utility.cmake )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(6):  include(include_directories.cmake
)
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/include_directories.cmake(1):  set(include_directories
${third_party}/.. ${thi
rd_party}/boost/1_36_0 ${third_party}/boost/sandbox/channel
${third_party}/boost/sandbox/chrono ${th
ird_party}/boost/sandbox/dataflow ${third_party}/boost/sandbox/dispatcher
${third_party}/boost/sandb
ox/extension ${third_party}/boost/sandbox/flyweight
${third_party}/boost/sandbox/move ${third_party}
/boost/sandbox/tree ${third_party}/boost/sandbox/unique_ptr
${third_party}/cg/include ${third_party}
/Eigen ${third_party}/EMotionFX/Source ${third_party}/fmod/include
${third_party}/FreeImage ${third_
party}/glew ${third_party}/glib/include ${third_party}/glibmm/include
${third_party}/glut ${third_pa
rty}/iconv/include ${third_party}/libRocket/include
${third_party}/libxml2/include ${third_party}/li
bxml++/include ${third_party}/OpenSSL/include ${third_party}/python/inc
${third_party}/tbb/21_200806
05oss/include ${third_party}/VisualLeakDetector/include
${third_party}/zlib/include )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(7):  include(link_directories.cmake )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/link_directories.cmake(1):  set(link_directories
${third_party}/boost/1_36_0/l
ib ${third_party}/cg/lib ${third_party}/EMotionFX/Bin
${third_party}/EMotionFX/Core/Bin ${third_part
y}/fmod/lib ${third_party}/FreeImage ${third_party}/glew
${third_party}/glib/lib ${third_party}/glib
mm/lib ${third_party}/glut ${third_party}/iconv/lib
${third_party}/libRocket/bin ${third_party}/libx
ml2/lib ${third_party}/libxml++/lib ${third_party}/python/lib
${third_party}/zlib/lib )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(11):  macro(create_test project_name )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(22):  macro(component project_name )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(43):  macro(library_component
project_name )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(60):  macro(executable_component
project_name libraries )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(69):  add_subdirectory(messenger )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/messenger/CMakeLists.txt(1):
library_component(messenger )
CMake Error at vfx/CMakeLists.txt:44 (parse_arguments):
  Unknown CMake command parse_arguments.
Call Stack (most recent call first):
  vfx/messenger/CMakeLists.txt:1 (library_component)


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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-03 Thread Robert Dailey
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Bill Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Robert Dailey wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Bill Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Did you try the --trace?  Maybe a spelling error?   Please post a
complete small example that shows the problem if none of that helps.


 Below is the relevant portion of the output from --trace. It's a bit hard
 to read, but notice that after the include( utility.cmake ) line there is no
 code included. Odd.


 Do you still have the message in the utility.cmake?

 That should show up in the trace??


lol. I actually removed it on accident. I can't seem to get this right,
sorry. Below is the trace output with the message() back in:

C:/IT/work/jewett/CMakeLists.txt(1):  cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.6 )
C:/IT/work/jewett/CMakeLists.txt(5):  set(third_party
${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/third_party )
C:/IT/work/jewett/CMakeLists.txt(7):  add_subdirectory(vfx )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(1):  cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.6
)
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(3):  project(vfx )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(5):  include(utility.cmake )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/utility.cmake(1):  message(utility.cmake loaded )
utility.cmake loaded
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(6):  include(include_directories.cmake
)
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/include_directories.cmake(1):  set(include_directories
${third_party}/.. ${thi
rd_party}/boost/1_36_0 ${third_party}/boost/sandbox/channel
${third_party}/boost/sandbox/chrono ${th
ird_party}/boost/sandbox/dataflow ${third_party}/boost/sandbox/dispatcher
${third_party}/boost/sandb
ox/extension ${third_party}/boost/sandbox/flyweight
${third_party}/boost/sandbox/move ${third_party}
/boost/sandbox/tree ${third_party}/boost/sandbox/unique_ptr
${third_party}/cg/include ${third_party}
/Eigen ${third_party}/EMotionFX/Source ${third_party}/fmod/include
${third_party}/FreeImage ${third_
party}/glew ${third_party}/glib/include ${third_party}/glibmm/include
${third_party}/glut ${third_pa
rty}/iconv/include ${third_party}/libRocket/include
${third_party}/libxml2/include ${third_party}/li
bxml++/include ${third_party}/OpenSSL/include ${third_party}/python/inc
${third_party}/tbb/21_200806
05oss/include ${third_party}/VisualLeakDetector/include
${third_party}/zlib/include )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(7):  include(link_directories.cmake )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/link_directories.cmake(1):  set(link_directories
${third_party}/boost/1_36_0/l
ib ${third_party}/cg/lib ${third_party}/EMotionFX/Bin
${third_party}/EMotionFX/Core/Bin ${third_part
y}/fmod/lib ${third_party}/FreeImage ${third_party}/glew
${third_party}/glib/lib ${third_party}/glib
mm/lib ${third_party}/glut ${third_party}/iconv/lib
${third_party}/libRocket/bin ${third_party}/libx
ml2/lib ${third_party}/libxml++/lib ${third_party}/python/lib
${third_party}/zlib/lib )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(11):  macro(create_test project_name )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(22):  macro(component project_name )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(43):  macro(library_component
project_name )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(60):  macro(executable_component
project_name libraries )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(69):  add_subdirectory(messenger )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/messenger/CMakeLists.txt(1):
library_component(messenger )
CMake Error at vfx/CMakeLists.txt:44 (parse_arguments):
  Unknown CMake command parse_arguments.
Call Stack (most recent call first):
  vfx/messenger/CMakeLists.txt:1 (library_component)


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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-03 Thread Bill Hoffman

Robert Dailey wrote:

lol. I actually removed it on accident. I can't seem to get this right, 
sorry. Below is the trace output with the message() back in:


C:/IT/work/jewett/CMakeLists.txt(1):  cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.6 )
C:/IT/work/jewett/CMakeLists.txt(5):  set(third_party 
${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/third_party )

C:/IT/work/jewett/CMakeLists.txt(7):  add_subdirectory(vfx )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(1):  cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 
2.6 )

C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(3):  project(vfx )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(5):  include(utility.cmake )
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/utility.cmake(1):  message(utility.cmake loaded )
utility.cmake loaded
C:/IT/work/jewett/vfx/CMakeLists.txt(6):  
include(include_directories.cmake )



Seems to be the only thing in the file.  Maybe it would help if you 
posted utility.cmake...


-Bill
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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-03 Thread Robert Dailey
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Bill Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Seems to be the only thing in the file.  Maybe it would help if you posted
 utility.cmake...


It's attached.


utility.cmake
Description: Binary data
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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-03 Thread Bill Hoffman

Robert Dailey wrote:
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Bill Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Seems to be the only thing in the file.  Maybe it would help if you
posted utility.cmake...


It's attached.




Found it...

The file has mac format line endings.  If I change it to unix or windows 
line feeds it works fine.


The mac file format must fool the parser into only reading one line of 
the file and thinking that it is all done.  That first message statement 
was the only thing that was being run.  (which is why trace did not show 
anything...)


-Bill

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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-03 Thread Robert Dailey
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Bill Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Found it...

 The file has mac format line endings.  If I change it to unix or windows
 line feeds it works fine.

 The mac file format must fool the parser into only reading one line of the
 file and thinking that it is all done.  That first message statement was the
 only thing that was being run.  (which is why trace did not show
 anything...)


Thanks for looking into this for me, I really appreciate it. This sounds
like a bug to me, as the CMake program didn't give me any hint as to what
the problem was. I hope this is fixed later!
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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-03 Thread Bill Hoffman

Robert Dailey wrote:
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Bill Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Found it...

The file has mac format line endings.  If I change it to unix or
windows line feeds it works fine.

The mac file format must fool the parser into only reading one line
of the file and thinking that it is all done.  That first message
statement was the only thing that was being run.  (which is why
trace did not show anything...)


Thanks for looking into this for me, I really appreciate it. This sounds 
like a bug to me, as the CMake program didn't give me any hint as to 
what the problem was. I hope this is fixed later!




Perhaps a bug in the standard c++ library streams...   But really who 
creates text files in this format anymore?   I think you have to go back 
to pre-OSX days to get files like this by default.   I will check to see 
if there is a quick fix, but I am guessing most text based programs 
would yack on this file


-Bill
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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-03 Thread Michael Jackson


On Dec 3, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Bill Hoffman wrote:


Robert Dailey wrote:
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Bill Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Found it...
   The file has mac format line endings.  If I change it to unix or
   windows line feeds it works fine.
   The mac file format must fool the parser into only reading one  
line

   of the file and thinking that it is all done.  That first message
   statement was the only thing that was being run.  (which is why
   trace did not show anything...)
Thanks for looking into this for me, I really appreciate it. This  
sounds like a bug to me, as the CMake program didn't give me any  
hint as to what the problem was. I hope this is fixed later!


Perhaps a bug in the standard c++ library streams...   But really  
who creates text files in this format anymore?   I think you have to  
go back to pre-OSX days to get files like this by default.   I will  
check to see if there is a quick fix, but I am guessing most text  
based programs would yack on this file


-Bill


Actaully, on OS X some of the text editors including BBEdit and  
TextMate and Eclipse all give you the option of setting your line  
endings to mac, dos or unix. In some of those the defaults are  
mac which is /r/n. It is up to the user to set the default for new  
files to unix.


Just FYI.
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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-03 Thread Bill Hoffman

Michael Jackson wrote:



Actaully, on OS X some of the text editors including BBEdit and TextMate 
and Eclipse all give you the option of setting your line endings to 
mac, dos or unix. In some of those the defaults are mac which is 
/r/n. It is up to the user to set the default for new files to unix.

\


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-of-line

* LF:Multics, Unix and Unix-like systems (GNU/Linux, AIX, 
Xenix, Mac OS X, FreeBSD, etc.), BeOS, Amiga, RISC OS, and others
* CR+LF: DEC RT-11 and most other early non-Unix, non-IBM OSes, 
CP/M, MP/M, DOS, OS/2, Microsoft Windows, Symbian OS
* CR:Commodore machines, Apple II family, Mac OS up to version 
9 and OS-9



So, it is just a \r in this file, and not a \r\n.   \r\n is Windows, and 
unix uses \n only.


I guess the problem is in the lexer CMake uses, and not the C++ 
library...  It uses \n as the line ending.  That works on but unix and 
windows, but not with \r only mac files.


I suppose we could put a check to see if a file has no \n, but lots of 
\r, and complain that it is an invalid file.   Robert, how did you 
create the file, was it the default for some editor?


-Bill

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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-03 Thread Robert Dailey
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Bill Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-of-line

 * LF:Multics, Unix and Unix-like systems (GNU/Linux, AIX, Xenix,
 Mac OS X, FreeBSD, etc.), BeOS, Amiga, RISC OS, and others
* CR+LF: DEC RT-11 and most other early non-Unix, non-IBM OSes, CP/M,
 MP/M, DOS, OS/2, Microsoft Windows, Symbian OS
* CR:Commodore machines, Apple II family, Mac OS up to version 9 and
 OS-9
 

 So, it is just a \r in this file, and not a \r\n.   \r\n is Windows, and
 unix uses \n only.

 I guess the problem is in the lexer CMake uses, and not the C++ library...
  It uses \n as the line ending.  That works on but unix and windows, but not
 with \r only mac files.

 I suppose we could put a check to see if a file has no \n, but lots of \r,
 and complain that it is an invalid file.   Robert, how did you create the
 file, was it the default for some editor?


The problem isn't about MAC line endings not working. I could care less
about line ending requirements, I'll go with whatever works. The main
problem I have is that CMake didn't TELL me what the problem was. It should
have said, Hey dummy, your line endings are unacceptable. Please change
them to LINUX line endings. That would have saved me hours of time!
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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-02 Thread Philip Lowman
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Robert Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Philip Lowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 include( ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/includes.cmake)
 should also work.
 CMAKE_MODULE_PATH may also help you if you have a lot of includes.

 http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/CMake_Useful_Variables


 I definitely tried this (using CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR) and it didn't
 work. I'll try Michael's method tomorrow and see if I get any different
 results.


I can't replicate this as a bug.  Maybe your setup differs substantially
from this (which works fine on CMake 2.6.2)?  Apparantly the use of
${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR} is superfluous.


CMakeLists.txt:
PROJECT(foo)
INCLUDE(bar.cmake)
ADD_SUBDIRECTORY(subdir)

bar.cmake:
MESSAGE(bar)

subdir/CMakeLists.txt:
INCLUDE(${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/baz.cmake)

subdir/baz.cmake:
MESSAGE(baz)

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[CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-01 Thread Robert Dailey
For some reason I cannot get include() to work.

In a CMakeLists.txt of mine (not the root CMakeLists.txt) I call the
following:

cmake_minimum_required( VERSION 2.6 )
include( includes.cmake )
project( vfx )

And I have a file called includes.cmake in the same directory containing the
CMakeLists.txt above. When I run *cmake -G Visual Studio 9 2008*, I get
the following output:

C:\IT\work\jewettcmake -G Visual Studio 9 2008
CMake Error at vfx/CMakeLists.txt:2 (include):
  include could not find load file:

includes.cmake
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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-01 Thread Michael Jackson


On Dec 1, 2008, at 5:12 PM, Robert Dailey wrote:


For some reason I cannot get include() to work.

In a CMakeLists.txt of mine (not the root CMakeLists.txt) I call the  
following:


cmake_minimum_required( VERSION 2.6 )
include( includes.cmake )
project( vfx )

And I have a file called includes.cmake in the same directory  
containing the CMakeLists.txt above. When I run cmake -G Visual  
Studio 9 2008, I get the following output:


C:\IT\work\jewettcmake -G Visual Studio 9 2008
CMake Error at vfx/CMakeLists.txt:2 (include):
  include could not find load file:

includes.cmake



How is your cmake file being called? If it is being called with  
include(...) then basically your file contents is substituted for  
the include(...) call. So the file includes.cmake without any  
leading prefix directory makes sense that it can not be found.


You basically need to get the current directory that CMake is  
traversing to figure out what prefix to use.


Do you _really_ need to place the include(includes.cmake) BEFORE the  
project() command? If you can swap these two lines then you can do  
something like:


project (vfx)
include ( ${vfx_SOURCE_DIR}/includes.cmake ) and it should find the  
includes.cmake file in the same directory as the vfx CMakeLists.txt  
file.


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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-01 Thread Philip Lowman
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Michael Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


 On Dec 1, 2008, at 5:12 PM, Robert Dailey wrote:

  For some reason I cannot get include() to work.

 In a CMakeLists.txt of mine (not the root CMakeLists.txt) I call the
 following:

 cmake_minimum_required( VERSION 2.6 )
 include( includes.cmake )
 project( vfx )

 And I have a file called includes.cmake in the same directory containing
 the CMakeLists.txt above. When I run cmake -G Visual Studio 9 2008, I get
 the following output:

 C:\IT\work\jewettcmake -G Visual Studio 9 2008
 CMake Error at vfx/CMakeLists.txt:2 (include):
  include could not find load file:

includes.cmake



 How is your cmake file being called? If it is being called with
 include(...) then basically your file contents is substituted for the
 include(...) call. So the file includes.cmake without any leading prefix
 directory makes sense that it can not be found.

 You basically need to get the current directory that CMake is traversing to
 figure out what prefix to use.

 Do you _really_ need to place the include(includes.cmake) BEFORE the
 project() command? If you can swap these two lines then you can do something
 like:

 project (vfx)
 include ( ${vfx_SOURCE_DIR}/includes.cmake ) and it should find the
 includes.cmake file in the same directory as the vfx CMakeLists.txt file.

 Hope that helps.


include( ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/includes.cmake)
should also work.
CMAKE_MODULE_PATH may also help you if you have a lot of includes.

http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/CMake_Useful_Variables

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Philip Lowman
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Re: [CMake] Can't get include() to work!

2008-12-01 Thread Robert Dailey
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Philip Lowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 include( ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/includes.cmake)
 should also work.
 CMAKE_MODULE_PATH may also help you if you have a lot of includes.

 http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/CMake_Useful_Variables


I definitely tried this (using CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR) and it didn't work.
I'll try Michael's method tomorrow and see if I get any different results.
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