Stus-List Gary - Pursuit racing
Gary How do you determine start times for each boat in your pursuit races? We have tried a couple of methods and all seem a bit problematic but tremendous fun. Our sailors love pursuit format but it is a bit of work beforeheand for the Race Committee Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:49 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating For our JAM races we have moved to Pursuit racing. This is a good way to decrease anxiety on the line. We tried adjustments for cruising equipment (dodgers, biminis, BBQ, etc.) but it didn't seem to attract a bunch of newbies. Maybe it is just that we have a limited supply of local boats Would be interested in your list, though. Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net Thanks. - Original Message - From: Martin DeYoung mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating The Seattle Yacht Club Cruiser/Racer class gives rating credits for cruising bottoms, old sails, roller furling, windless/anchor on bow etc. The C/R class was created to increase participation. Non competitive sailors and boats will often show up if the class is relaxed about the starting tactics (less shouting and close quarters) and promotes courtesy in crossing situations. SYC is flexible on shorting the course in very light air and we take ½ way times in case the wind shuts off entirely. Some of the participants take full advantage of the cruising credits. I may have a list of what has been offered is any CC listers are thinking of a similar get out the boat effort. Let me know if the info is wanted. In recent years there have been 4 or 5 boats (incl Calypso) that are sailed with intent to be C/R class competitive with limited use of the cruiser rating discounts. Owners new to racing or whose boats were never conceived as a race boat can add more than a dozen seconds to the handicap to help move up the score card. Most years there have been 12 to 15 boats total in the C/R class. Martin From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating OK - I was afraid you meant Flaking, peeling, ignored and cratered because I dont care. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Ablative paint with small blisters, keel not faired in the last 2 decades, some slime present from lack of cleaning. Or, those little red bumps that itch after sitting in salt water day after day on a long cruise. Martin From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Martin What is a cruising bottom? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating We would kick his a-- going to weather in medium to heavy air and some sea... PHRF-NW rates Calypso at 90, a Soveral 33 at 93, and a Baba 40 (tall rig) at 165. The Soveral is full race and well sailed (+- 7,000lbs). The Baba is cruise/race and participates in many races both serious and fun with a dedicated crew, has mixed age sails and a 22' spinnaker pole. Calypso is set up for race/cruise style sailing with older sails (roller furler and spin sock) and a mix of crew experience (+- 24,000lbs). The Soveral and the Baba are equal to or (mostly) faster than Calypso in light air and flat water. Throw in some medium air and chop, the fully crewed Soveral is still faster but the Baba is only as fast down wind. In a heavy air (25 to 35 TWS) race a few years ago the Baba (started 15 minute earlier) and Soveral beat Calypso to the leeward mark (Foulweather Bluff buoy +- 12 mile leg). As we headed upwind the Soveral was low and slow as the crew could not keep the boat flat, the
Re: Stus-List Gary - Pursuit racing
Mike, We do pursuits in my area also. We use set courses so the distance is known. You have to choose a maximum handicap and go from there. Go to Corinthians.org click on the sailing instructions link. Then look at the staggered start documents. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 14, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Gary How do you determine start times for each boat in your pursuit races? We have tried a couple of methods and all seem a bit problematic but tremendous fun. Our sailors love pursuit format but it is a bit of work beforeheand for the Race Committee Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:49 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating For our JAM races we have moved to Pursuit racing. This is a good way to decrease anxiety on the line. We tried adjustments for cruising equipment (dodgers, biminis, BBQ, etc.) but it didn't seem to attract a bunch of newbies. Maybe it is just that we have a limited supply of local boats Would be interested in your list, though. Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net Thanks. - Original Message - From: Martin DeYoung To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:40PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs PhrfRating The Seattle Yacht Club Cruiser/Racer class gives rating credits for cruising bottoms, old sails, roller furling, windless/anchor on bow etc. The C/R class was created to increase participation. Non competitive sailors and boats will often show up if the class is relaxed about the starting tactics (less shouting and close quarters) and promotes courtesy in crossing situations. SYC is flexible on shorting the course in very light air and we take ½ way times in case the wind shuts off entirely. Some of the participants take full advantage of the cruising credits. I may have a list of what has been offered is any CC listers are thinking of a similar “get out the boat” effort. Let me know if the info is wanted. In recent years there have been 4 or 5 boats (incl Calypso) that are sailed with intent to be C/R class competitive with limited use of the cruiser rating discounts. Owners new to racing or whose boats were never conceived as a race boat canadd more than a dozen seconds to the handicap to help move up the score card. Most years there have been 12 to 15 boats total in the C/R class. Martin From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs PhrfRating OK - I was afraid you meant Flaking, peeling, ignored and cratered because I dont care. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:36PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs PhrfRating Ablative paint with small blisters, keel not faired in the last 2 decades, some slime present from lack of cleaning. Or, those little red bumps that itch after sitting in salt water day after day on a long cruise. Martin From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs PhrfRating Martin What is a cruising bottom? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:11PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs PhrfRating We would kick his a-- going to weather in medium to heavy air and some sea… PHRF-NW rates Calypso at 90, a Soveral 33 at 93, and a Baba 40 (tall rig) at 165. The Soveral is full race and well sailed (+- 7,000lbs). The Baba is cruise/race and participates in many races both serious and fun with a dedicated crew, has mixed age sails and a 22’ spinnaker pole. Calypso is set up for race/cruise style sailing with older sails (roller furler and spin sock) and a mix of crew experience (+- 24,000lbs). The Soveral and the Baba are equal to or (mostly) faster than Calypso in light air and flat water. Throw in some medium air and chop, the fully crewed Soveral is still faster but the Baba is only as fast down wind. In a heavy air (25 to 35 TWS) race a few years ago the Baba (started 15 minute earlier) and Soveral beat Calypso to the leeward mark (Foulweather Bluff buoy +- 12 mile leg). As we headed upwind the Soveral was low and slow as the crew could not keep the boat flat, the Baba was having trouble going to weather and difficulty in completing a tack (the lee shore was looming). Calypso finally got conditions that favor a 1969/70 design that enjoys a good blow. We used a #3 and 1 reef in the
Re: Stus-List Gary - Pursuit racing
Dennis, We do a couple of pursuit races too both with courses that are set well in advance so the distances are known. I am not sure I understand your comment about choosing a maximum handicap. We find out ahead of the race who plans to participate and then work the time differences starting with the slowest (highest PHRF) boat. Each participant is then given their starting time. Of course once the course is set you cannot shorten course or change marks! To introduce more fun into one of these races that has been held every year since goodness knows when, we allow the boats to use their engine for a total of 5 minutes at any point in the race obviously on an honor system. Jonathan Indigo 35-3 - _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:45 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Gary - Pursuit racing Mike, We do pursuits in my area also. We use set courses so the distance is known. You have to choose a maximum handicap and go from there. Go to Corinthians.org click on the sailing instructions link. Then look at the staggered start documents. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 14, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Gary How do you determine start times for each boat in your pursuit races? We have tried a couple of methods and all seem a bit problematic but tremendous fun. Our sailors love pursuit format but it is a bit of work beforeheand for the Race Committee Mike _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:49 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating For our JAM races we have moved to Pursuit racing. This is a good way to decrease anxiety on the line. We tried adjustments for cruising equipment (dodgers, biminis, BBQ, etc.) but it didn't seem to attract a bunch of newbies. Maybe it is just that we have a limited supply of local boats Would be interested in your list, though. Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net Thanks. - Original Message - From: Martin mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com DeYoung To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating The Seattle Yacht Club Cruiser/Racer class gives rating credits for cruising bottoms, old sails, roller furling, windless/anchor on bow etc. The C/R class was created to increase participation. Non competitive sailors and boats will often show up if the class is relaxed about the starting tactics (less shouting and close quarters) and promotes courtesy in crossing situations. SYC is flexible on shorting the course in very light air and we take ½ way times in case the wind shuts off entirely. Some of the participants take full advantage of the cruising credits. I may have a list of what has been offered is any CC listers are thinking of a similar get out the boat effort. Let me know if the info is wanted. In recent years there have been 4 or 5 boats (incl Calypso) that are sailed with intent to be C/R class competitive with limited use of the cruiser rating discounts. Owners new to racing or whose boats were never conceived as a race boat can add more than a dozen seconds to the handicap to help move up the score card. Most years there have been 12 to 15 boats total in the C/R class. Martin _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating OK - I was afraid you meant Flaking, peeling, ignored and cratered because I dont care. _ size=3 width=100% align=center tabindex=-1 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Ablative paint with small blisters, keel not faired in the last 2 decades, some slime present from lack of cleaning. Or, those little red bumps that itch after sitting in salt water day after day on a long cruise. Martin _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Martin What is a cruising bottom? _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating We would kick his a-- going to weather in medium to heavy air and some sea PHRF-NW rates Calypso at 90, a Soveral 33 at 93, and a Baba 40 (tall rig) at 165. The Soveral is full race and well sailed (+- 7,000lbs). The Baba is cruise/race and
Re: Stus-List Gary - Pursuit racing
At a YC in Sydney Australia a race is held every week throughout most of the year. Your start time, based on your recent performance, is posted on their website. The start line is just off the club house. A large digital clock, which is visible from the starting area, is used as a reference. Of course it is all on the honor system. I was most impressed with the fact that they start at 1:00 p.m. on Friday afternoon - very civilized. It's easy to develop racing expertise, but hard to explain so many long Friday afternoon meetings. Don ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels
Where do you get it? Gary 30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but over 50 miles to anything else - Original Message - From: Sam Salter To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/ It's like super industrial strength velcro. It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas. sam :-) C7C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: Joel, I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using plastic sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the wood. It is only 1/8 thick. ¼ plywood would be hard to keep up there using the stock Velcro. I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn't seem to work well, especially in rough conditions. Jake Jake Brodersen CC 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a replacement? What glue would you use? Thanks! -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels
I picked up a pack at West Marine several years ago .Not cheap but works well On 14/11/2012 10:44 AM, Gary Nylander wrote: Where do you get it? Gary 30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but over 50 miles to anything else - Original Message - *From:* Sam Salter mailto:sam.c.sal...@gmail.com *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/ It's like super industrial strength velcro. It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas. sam :-) C7C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: Joel, I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using plastic sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the wood. It is only 1/8 thick. ¼ plywood would be hard to keep up there using the stock Velcro. I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn't seem to work well, especially in rough conditions. Jake */Jake Brodersen/* */CC 35 Mk-III/* */Midnight Mistress/* */Hampton VA/* *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Headliner access panels Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a replacement? What glue would you use? Thanks! -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- D.Drake 73 Jensen Healey CC 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Gary - Pursuit racing
We have just a few predetermined courses for Pursuit. One member has a program with each boat (small fleet - maybe 15 boats in his program) and the starting setbacks for the courses. We have one boat which is our highest handicap boat ( a fiberglass copy of a Hereschoff Fish - handicap 350 (arbitrary) - with battery power) and we use him (whether he's there or not) as the starting boat. The RC has a copy. Frankly, with the copy of the program sheet in hand, we are pretty well self-governing. We all know that the Herreschoff starts it at noon (or one, or whatever) and the Thunderbird (198) goes off at his time, then me (174) then the Beneteau (162) then the CC 115 (78) and so forth. New folks get their sheet and fit in. We have had a few races where we started ourselves - no RC. If we are using the four mile course, I start at about 12 minutes after the hour, the Beneteau starts 48 seconds later, etc. And, because you have the sheet, there are a few other boats watching, so no 'fudging'. We also are growing fond of the Pursuit plan - but still have one race a year which has a LeMans start. For those of you who don't follow sports car racing, that means (in the old days) that the drivers were out of their cars, ran across the track, jumped in, started them up and blasted off. Nowadays that is impossible, because it takes a long time to hook up the cool suits, radios, belts, etc. What we do is everybody anchors on the starting line, sails down and crew down below (the Hereschoff puts a tarp over the crew, as there is no down below). At the gun, sails up, anchor up, and away we go. It is good for laughs. Gary - Original Message - From: Hoyt, Mike To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:15 AM Subject: Stus-List Gary - Pursuit racing Gary How do you determine start times for each boat in your pursuit races? We have tried a couple of methods and all seem a bit problematic but tremendous fun. Our sailors love pursuit format but it is a bit of work beforeheand for the Race Committee Mike -- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:49 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating For our JAM races we have moved to Pursuit racing. This is a good way to decrease anxiety on the line. We tried adjustments for cruising equipment (dodgers, biminis, BBQ, etc.) but it didn't seem to attract a bunch of newbies. Maybe it is just that we have a limited supply of local boats Would be interested in your list, though. Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net Thanks. - Original Message - From: Martin DeYoung To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating The Seattle Yacht Club Cruiser/Racer class gives rating credits for cruising bottoms, old sails, roller furling, windless/anchor on bow etc. The C/R class was created to increase participation. Non competitive sailors and boats will often show up if the class is relaxed about the starting tactics (less shouting and close quarters) and promotes courtesy in crossing situations. SYC is flexible on shorting the course in very light air and we take ½ way times in case the wind shuts off entirely. Some of the participants take full advantage of the cruising credits. I may have a list of what has been offered is any CC listers are thinking of a similar get out the boat effort. Let me know if the info is wanted. In recent years there have been 4 or 5 boats (incl Calypso) that are sailed with intent to be C/R class competitive with limited use of the cruiser rating discounts. Owners new to racing or whose boats were never conceived as a race boat can add more than a dozen seconds to the handicap to help move up the score card. Most years there have been 12 to 15 boats total in the C/R class. Martin From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating OK - I was afraid you meant Flaking, peeling, ignored and cratered because I dont care. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Ablative paint with small blisters, keel not faired in the last 2 decades, some slime present from lack of cleaning. Or, those little red bumps that itch after sitting in
Re: Stus-List Gary - Pursuit racing
A race with one of the best participation records here in the PNW is a single or double handed pursuit race. The Sloop Tavern Yacht Club's Race to the Straits will see 80 to 100 boats enter. A 24 foot cruising style design may start at 8am, a SC 70 around 10:15. GPS time is used as the official race time. The race course is complicated by wind system changes (holes) and challenging currents (often up to 4 knots) and multiple crossings of the USCG's Vessel Separation Lanes. The race runs two days starting on Saturday (1st weekend in May) from Shilshole (near Seattle) and finishing at Port Townsend with a ½ way mark (take your time) at the Double Bluff buoy. Saturday night there is an awards banquet (including a keg or two of a local IPA) held within walking distance of both local marinas. Often the R2S race committee will reserve the entire Point Hudson marina which allows rampant rafting and the resulting socialization opportunities. Sunday morning the race resumes back to Shilshole. The ½ way times allow for scoring if the winds. Most years the wind (light) and current (2 to 4 knots) combine to create very exciting parking lots. There is almost a tradition of the fleet gathering at the Marrowstone Point back eddy waiting for a chance to break through. Dozens of short-handed boats short tacking in current makes for great entertainment. One year Calypso (on Starboard) almost made a catamaran out of a trimaran owing to poor communication between boats and helmsmen. Calypso's co-owner and I have participated 5 or 6 times. Several times we had 3 CC 43s starting together with the occasional finish within boat lengths of each other. This race's combo of a fun and challenging course, cool Saturday night destination with a great party, and the knowledge that you are winning over any boat behind you makes it very popular. Martin Calypso 1970 CC 43 Seattle Martin From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:16 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Gary - Pursuit racing Gary How do you determine start times for each boat in your pursuit races? We have tried a couple of methods and all seem a bit problematic but tremendous fun. Our sailors love pursuit format but it is a bit of work beforeheand for the Race Committee Mike ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels
I was sailing the eastern shore of Maryland about 6 weeks ago - your right there is nothing there! Get it online: Sailrite: http://www.sailrite.com/3M-Dual-Lock-Type-250-1-Clear Amazon, eBay, office depot sam :-) On 2012-11-14, at 8:44 AM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote: Where do you get it? Gary 30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but over 50 miles to anything else - Original Message - From: Sam Salter To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/ It's like super industrial strength velcro. It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas. sam :-) C7C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: Joel, I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using plastic sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the wood. It is only 1/8” thick. ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up there using the stock Velcro. I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn’t seem to work well, especially in rough conditions. Jake Jake Brodersen CC 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a replacement? What glue would you use? Thanks! -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels
You can also get sheets of thin, white plastic (8' x 4') at Home Depot, RONA and I suspect Lowes (but I've never been in a Lowes) Not used it for headliners but I have used it for covers inside to put over access holes for winch and jammer bolts. sam :-) On 2012-11-14, at 9:06 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: This plastic from McMaster looks like it would work: Formable Chemical-Resistant Kydex Acrylic/PVC Color: Black, gray, or white Temperature Range: -40° to 150° F Tensile Strength: Good Impact Strength: Excellent Often used for vehicle interiors and equipment housings, this material maintains its shape after heating and forming. It resists corrosive chemicals and cleaning solutions. One side is textured and the other is smooth. Width and length tolerances are ±1/8. Sheets meet UL 94V0 for flame retardance. To Order: Please specify color. View detailed performance properties for plastics. Sheets 12 × 12 12 × 24 24 × 48 48 × 48 48 × 96 Thick.Thick. Tolerance EachEachEachEach Each 1/8 ±0.009 8650K11 $9.40 8650K12 $17.17 8650K13 $63.16 8650K14 $115.54 8650K15 $211.73 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, D.Drake d...@rogers.com wrote: I picked up a pack at West Marine several years ago .Not cheap but works well On 14/11/2012 10:44 AM, Gary Nylander wrote: Where do you get it? Gary 30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but over 50 miles to anything else - Original Message - From: Sam Salter To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/ It's like super industrial strength velcro. It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas. sam :-) C7C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: Joel, I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using plastic sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the wood. It is only 1/8” thick. ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up there using the stock Velcro. I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn’t seem to work well, especially in rough conditions. Jake Jake Brodersen CC 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a replacement? What glue would you use? Thanks! -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- D.Drake 73 Jensen Healey CC 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I hate to be the caboose on this conversation but I do not understand what is happening to the headliners on the boats, I've never had a headliner fall or come apart, can someone explain what is happening and possibly the cause? thanks. Richard 1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels No RONA stores south of the border, but I will check out HD too! On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Sam Salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: You can also get sheets of thin, white plastic (8' x 4') at Home Depot, RONA and I suspect Lowes (but I've never been in a Lowes) Not used it for headliners but I have used it for covers inside to put over access holes for winch and jammer bolts. sam :-) On 2012-11-14, at 9:06 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: This plastic from McMaster looks like it would work: Formable Chemical-Resistant Kydex Acrylic/PVC Color: Black, gray, or white Temperature Range: -40° to 150° F Tensile Strength: Good Impact Strength: Excellent Often used for vehicle interiors and equipment housings, this material maintains its shape after heating and forming. It resists corrosive chemicals and cleaning solutions. One side is textured and the other is smooth. Width and length tolerances are ±1/8. Sheets meet UL 94V0 for flame retardance. To Order: Please specify color. View detailed performance properties for plastics. Sheets 12 × 12 12 × 24 24 × 48 48 × 48 48 × 96 Thick. Thick. Tolerance Each Each Each Each Each 1/8 ±0.009 8650K11 $9.40 8650K12 $17.17 8650K13 $63.16 8650K14 $115.54 8650K15 $211.73 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, D.Drake d...@rogers.com wrote: I picked up a pack at West Marine several years ago .Not cheap but works well On 14/11/2012 10:44 AM, Gary Nylander wrote: Where do you get it? Gary 30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but over 50 miles to anything else - Original Message - From: Sam Salter To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/ It's like super industrial strength velcro. It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas. sam :-) C7C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: Joel, I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using plastic sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the wood. It is only 1/8” thick. ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up there using the stock Velcro. I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn’t seem to work well, especially in rough conditions. Jake Jake Brodersen CC 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a replacement? What glue would you use? Thanks! -- Joel 301 541 8551 __ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com -- D.Drake 73 Jensen Healey CC 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This
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Richard, In the case of my boat, it is not the headliner, but the access panels that are the problem. They are vinyl over plywood. The long ones are screwed in, the more rectangular ones under the winches have velcro. Over the years there have been leaks that have caused the plywood to fail in the panels over the quarter-berth and nav station. Also, the vinyl is becoming unglued in places. Its not terribly noticeable until you remove a panel and have pieces of plywood falling out. If your boat is watertight, you probably don't have this issue. The PO of my boat was too tolerant of leaks, and I am cleaning up his mess. Hope this clarifies the matter. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: I hate to be the caboose on this conversation but I do not understand what is happening to the headliners on the boats, I've never had a headliner fall or come apart, can someone explain what is happening and possibly the cause? thanks. Richard 1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels No RONA stores south of the border, but I will check out HD too! On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Sam Salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.comwrote: You can also get sheets of thin, white plastic (8' x 4') at Home Depot, RONA and I suspect Lowes (but I've never been in a Lowes) Not used it for headliners but I have used it for covers inside to put over access holes for winch and jammer bolts. sam :-) On 2012-11-14, at 9:06 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: This plastic from McMaster looks like it would work: Formable Chemical-Resistant Kydex Acrylic/PVC - Color: Black, gray, or white - - Temperature Range: -40° to 150° F - - Tensile Strength: Good - - Impact Strength: Excellent Often used for vehicle interiors and equipment housings, this material maintains its shape after heating and forming. It resists corrosive chemicals and cleaning solutions. One side is textured and the other is smooth. Width and length tolerances are ±1/8. Sheets meet UL 94V0 for flame retardance. To Order: Please specify color. View detailed performance properties for plastics.http://www.mcmaster.com/#8574KAC Sheets 12 × 12 12 × 24 24 × 48 48 × 48 48 × 96 Thick. Thick. Tolerance Each Each Each Each Each 1/8 ±0.009 8650K11http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K11 $9.40 8650K12 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K12 $17.17 8650K13http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K13 $63.16 8650K14 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K14 $115.54 8650K15http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K15 $211.73 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, D.Drake d...@rogers.com wrote: I picked up a pack at West Marine several years ago .Not cheap but works well On 14/11/2012 10:44 AM, Gary Nylander wrote: Where do you get it? Gary 30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but over 50 miles to anything else - Original Message - *From:* Sam Salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.com *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/ It's like super industrial strength velcro. It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas. sam :-) C7C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: Joel, I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using plastic sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the wood. It is only 1/8” thick. ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up there using the stock Velcro. I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn’t seem to work well, especially in rough conditions. Jake *Jake Brodersen* *CC 35 Mk-III* *Midnight Mistress* *Hampton VA* *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Headliner access panels Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a replacement? What glue would you use? Thanks!
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Here's some other stuff I have used for lining commercial garages that looks very nice and is friendly to use: http://www.palramamericas.com/Wall-Tuf Rich Rich Knowles INDIGO - LF38 Halifax, NS ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Richard: CC has used a variety of materials and fastening methods on the various boats over the years and some have been more durable than others depending on the environment in which they find themselves. Rich Knowles INDIGO - LF38 Halifax, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. Bush Sent: November 14, 2012 16:19 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels I hate to be the caboose on this conversation but I do not understand what is happening to the headliners on the boats, I've never had a headliner fall or come apart, can someone explain what is happening and possibly the cause? thanks. Richard 1987 33-II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:42 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels No RONA stores south of the border, but I will check out HD too! On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Sam Salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote: You can also get sheets of thin, white plastic (8' x 4') at Home Depot, RONA and I suspect Lowes (but I've never been in a Lowes) Not used it for headliners but I have used it for covers inside to put over access holes for winch and jammer bolts. sam :-) On 2012-11-14, at 9:06 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: This plastic from McMaster looks like it would work: Formable Chemical-Resistant Kydex Acrylic/PVC · Color: Black, gray, or white · · Temperature Range: -40° to 150° F · · Tensile Strength: Good · · Impact Strength: Excellent Often used for vehicle interiors and equipment housings, this material maintains its shape after heating and forming. It resists corrosive chemicals and cleaning solutions. One side is textured and the other is smooth. Width and length tolerances are ±1/8. Sheets meet UL 94V0 for flame retardance. To Order: Please specify color. View http://www.mcmaster.com/#8574KAC detailed performance properties for plastics. Sheets 12 × 12 12 × 24 24 × 48 48 × 48 48 × 96 Thick. Thick. Tolerance Each Each Each Each Each 1/8 ±0.009 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K11 8650K11 $9.40 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K12 8650K12 $17.17 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K13 8650K13 $63.16 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K14 8650K14 $115.54 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K15 8650K15 $211.73 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, D.Drake d...@rogers.com wrote: I picked up a pack at West Marine several years ago .Not cheap but works well On 14/11/2012 10:44 AM, Gary Nylander wrote: Where do you get it? Gary 30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but over 50 miles to anything else - Original Message - From: Sam Salter mailto:sam.c.sal...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/ It's like super industrial strength velcro. It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas. sam :-) C7C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: Joel, I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using plastic sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the wood. It is only 1/8” thick. ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up there using the stock Velcro. I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn’t seem to work well, especially in rough conditions. Jake Jake Brodersen CC 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a replacement? What glue would you use? Thanks! -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com _ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/
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Joel I’ve replaced the access panels on my headliner with 1/8” FRP that can be bought at Home Depot in 4 X 8 sheets. Used the old panels as templates. I tried attaching a couple of panels with velcro. Didn’t like the look. Too thick. Next I tried screws like the originals were attached. Admiral didn’t like. Tried a couple of panels with 4200 and screws. Had to remove these panels to get rid of the screws. Admiral’s order. I found the 4200 to be very effective. Next spring all panels will be secured with 4200 only. To dress up the headliner itself I painted that with Intrelux Brightside Blue Glo White. IMHO the shiny stipple texture of the FRB with the blue glo white certainly lightened up the salon. Mike S/V Persuasion CC 37 K/CB Stormont Yacht Club http://www.stormontyachtclub.ca/ From: Joel Aronson Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a replacement? What glue would you use? Thanks! -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Thanks everyone! Lots of great options! I need to measure the longest panel and narrow down the materials.*The Office* has come a long way in a year, and you guys have been invaluable! On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Persuasion persuasio...@gmail.com wrote: Joel I’ve replaced the access panels on my headliner with 1/8” FRP that can be bought at Home Depot in 4 X 8 sheets. Used the old panels as templates. I tried attaching a couple of panels with velcro. Didn’t like the look. Too thick. Next I tried screws like the originals were attached. Admiral didn’t like. Tried a couple of panels with 4200 and screws. Had to remove these panels to get rid of the screws. Admiral’s order. I found the 4200 to be very effective. Next spring all panels will be secured with 4200 only. To dress up the headliner itself I painted that with Intrelux Brightside Blue Glo White. IMHO the shiny stipple texture of the FRB with the blue glo white certainly lightened up the salon. Mike S/V Persuasion CC 37 K/CB Stormont Yacht Club http://www.stormontyachtclub.ca/ *From:* Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Headliner access panels Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a replacement? What glue would you use? Thanks! -- Joel 301 541 8551 -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34
Mark, I would run the engine a bit more with water after the oil change so that you can check oil level and top off if needed. Then proceed to run anti-freeze through engine. Prepare for a big mess with the filter. Lots of paper towels etc. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:33 -0800 From: fastguy1...@yahoo.com To: robertabb...@eastlink.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Robert and Jonathon, and all, Thanks for the tips; are there suggestions about best practices when doing oil changes on the 34? Mark From: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca To: Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:05 AM Subject: Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Mark: If your boat in 'on the hard', you will need a few pieces of hardware to do the job.oil pump, garden hose, large bucket and a 10' foot piece of the hose the same diameter as the hose that attaches to your raw water pump. Remove the hose on the inlet side of your water pumpattach the 10' piece to the water pump and place the other end in the bucket in the cockpit and fill with water from the garden hose..start your engine and let it run until the engine reaches normal operating temp..keep the water level in the bucket so you are not sucking in air. Shut engine down.change the oil and filter. Now empty water from the bucket and put your antifreeze in the bucket..2 gallons will be more than enough.start your engine and run until you see antifreeze exiting from your exhaust.shut engine down. Some people leave the 10' hose connected to the water pump all wintermakes it easy in the Spring to start your engine before launch to retrieve the antifreeze in the engine. Some disconnect it and reconnect the raw water hose. Hope this helps. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2012/11/12 11:03 PM, Mark Meyer wrote: Hi List, Short season for me this year, bought our CC34 this spring and did a lot to bring her back to where she needs to be. But I'm late winterizing the Diesel engine and am looking for advice and tricks to speed me through getting this engine done. Any Advice? Thanks in advance, Mark Meyer SV Freedom, Whitehall MI ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Where were you, Sam? There is actually quite a bit over here, but just not a whole bunch of commercialization, which is the way we like it. We're an hour and a half from DC and Baltimore, so that is enough 'civilization' for most of us. And about 5-600 miles of shoreline in our county alone - OK? Gary - Original Message - From: Sam Salter To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels I was sailing the eastern shore of Maryland about 6 weeks ago - your right there is nothing there! Get it online: Sailrite: http://www.sailrite.com/3M-Dual-Lock-Type-250-1-Clear Amazon, eBay, office depot sam :-) On 2012-11-14, at 8:44 AM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote: Where do you get it? Gary 30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but over 50 miles to anything else - Original Message - From: Sam Salter To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/ It's like super industrial strength velcro. It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas. sam :-) C7C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: Joel, I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using plastic sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the wood. It is only 1/8” thick. ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up there using the stock Velcro. I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn’t seem to work well, especially in rough conditions. Jake Jake Brodersen CC 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a replacement? What glue would you use? Thanks! -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Headliner access panels
FWIW -the discussion got me to check. I had thought the access panels on my 35-3 were standard laminate but they appear to be fiberglass panels that are very thin - texture and finish on the front but some definite random strands and resin on the unfinished back. That said, they are very much like standard formica/plastic laminate. I would suspect it would make a good substitute excepting that it is probably more brittle than most of the other suggestions so pre-drilling would matter-if you weren't going the straight Velcro route. But it is moisture proof, stiff enough, light enough and available in almost any color. You may also be able to source scraps from your local cabinet shop- The cabinet shop I worked with always had a big scrap selection useful for small projects but not for the countertops they built. May be easier than sourcing a 4x8 sheet of something. Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34
Or have a very resourceful PO who plumbed in circuit with a valve and hose connection that enables one to close off the the outside intake, connect hose to outside water source, open the valve in the plumbed in circuit and run the engine quite merrily in minutes. Cheers, John Falcon -- CC 29-2 -Original Message- From: Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com To: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Robert and Jonathon, and all, Thanks for the tips; are there suggestions about best practices when doing oil changes on the 34? Mark From: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca To: Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:05 AM Subject: Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Mark: If your boat in 'on the hard', you will need a few pieces of hardware to do the job.oil pump, garden hose, large bucket and a 10' foot piece of the hose the same diameter as the hose that attaches to your raw water pump. Remove the hose on the inlet side of your water pumpattach the 10' piece to the water pump and place the other end in the bucket in the cockpit and fill with water from the garden hose..start your engine and let it run until the engine reaches normal operating temp..keep the water level in the bucket so you are not sucking in air. Shut engine down.change the oil and filter. Now empty water from the bucket and put your antifreeze in the bucket..2 gallons will be more than enough.start your engine and run until you see antifreeze exiting from your exhaust.shut engine down. Some people leave the 10' hose connected to the water pump all wintermakes it easy in the Spring to start your engine before launch to retrieve the antifreeze in the engine. Some disconnect it and reconnect the raw water hose. Hope this helps. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2012/11/12 11:03 PM, Mark Meyer wrote: Hi List, Short season for me this year, bought our CC34 this springand did a lot to bring her back to where she needs to be. But I'm late winterizing the Diesel engine and am looking for advice and tricks to speed me through getting this engine done. Any Advice? Thanks in advance, Mark Meyer SV Freedom, Whitehall MI ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34
For the filter, unscrew it inside a ziploc bag (once you've loosened it). Still a bit of mess, but less. Tim Mojito 35-3 Branford, CT On Nov 14, 2012, at 4:59 PM, David Risch davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: Mark, I would run the engine a bit more with water after the oil change so that you can check oil level and top off if needed. Then proceed to run anti-freeze through engine. Prepare for a big mess with the filter. Lots of paper towels etc. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:33 -0800 From: fastguy1...@yahoo.com To: robertabb...@eastlink.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Robert and Jonathon, and all, Thanks for the tips; are there suggestions about best practices when doing oil changes on the 34? Mark From: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca To: Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:05 AM Subject: Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Mark: If your boat in 'on the hard', you will need a few pieces of hardware to do the job.oil pump, garden hose, large bucket and a 10' foot piece of the hose the same diameter as the hose that attaches to your raw water pump. Remove the hose on the inlet side of your water pumpattach the 10' piece to the water pump and place the other end in the bucket in the cockpit and fill with water from the garden hose..start your engine and let it run until the engine reaches normal operating temp..keep the water level in the bucket so you are not sucking in air. Shut engine down.change the oil and filter. Now empty water from the bucket and put your antifreeze in the bucket..2 gallons will be more than enough.start your engine and run until you see antifreeze exiting from your exhaust.shut engine down. Some people leave the 10' hose connected to the water pump all wintermakes it easy in the Spring to start your engine before launch to retrieve the antifreeze in the engine. Some disconnect it and reconnect the raw water hose. Hope this helps. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2012/11/12 11:03 PM, Mark Meyer wrote: Hi List, Short season for me this year, bought our CC34 this spring and did a lot to bring her back to where she needs to be. But I'm late winterizing the Diesel engine and am looking for advice and tricks to speed me through getting this engine done. Any Advice? Thanks in advance, Mark Meyer SV Freedom, Whitehall MI ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34
Or y-valve another intake hose with a screened pick-up. Great for winterizing and another source of bilge water removal. Real simple and adds a little piece of mind David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: fastguy1...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com; robertabb...@eastlink.ca From: johnr...@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:05:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Or have a very resourceful PO who plumbed in circuit with a valve and hose connection that enables one to close off the the outside intake, connect hose to outside water source, open the valve in the plumbed in circuit and run the engine quite merrily in minutes. Cheers, John Falcon -- CC 29-2 -Original Message- From: Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com To: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Robert and Jonathon, and all, Thanks for the tips; are there suggestions about best practices when doing oil changes on the 34? Mark From: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca To: Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:05 AM Subject: Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Mark: If your boat in 'on the hard', you will need a few pieces of hardware to do the job.oil pump, garden hose, large bucket and a 10' foot piece of the hose the same diameter as the hose that attaches to your raw water pump. Remove the hose on the inlet side of your water pumpattach the 10' piece to the water pump and place the other end in the bucket in the cockpit and fill with water from the garden hose..start your engine and let it run until the engine reaches normal operating temp..keep the water level in the bucket so you are not sucking in air. Shut engine down.change the oil and filter. Now empty water from the bucket and put your antifreeze in the bucket..2 gallons will be more than enough.start your engine and run until you see antifreeze exiting from your exhaust.shut engine down. Some people leave the 10' hose connected to the water pump all wintermakes it easy in the Spring to start your engine before launch to retrieve the antifreeze in the engine. Some disconnect it and reconnect the raw water hose. Hope this helps. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2012/11/12 11:03 PM, Mark Meyer wrote: Hi List, Short season for me this year, bought our CC34 this spring and did a lot to bring her back to where she needs to be. But I'm late winterizing the Diesel engine and am looking for advice and tricks to speed me through getting this engine done. Any Advice? Thanks in advance, Mark Meyer SV Freedom, Whitehall MI ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34
I've seen advice like this a couple of times. Be very careful about hooking an land pressure water hose to your raw water system. As a matter of fact, don't do it. You can end up filling the exhaust manifold and the cylinders with water, which unsurprisingly, is bad for the engine. Far better to remove the raw water intake and put it in a bucket and let the water pump draw water at the required rate. Andrew Burton Newport, RI http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM, johnr...@aol.com wrote: Or have a very resourceful PO who plumbed in circuit with a valve and hose connection that enables one to close off the the outside intake, connect hose to outside water source, open the valve in the plumbed in circuit and run the engine quite merrily in minutes. Cheers, John Falcon -- CC 29-2 -Original Message- From: Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com To: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Robert and Jonathon, and all, Thanks for the tips; are there suggestions about best practices when doing oil changes on the 34? Mark -- *From:* Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca *To:* Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:05 AM *Subject:* Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Mark: If your boat in 'on the hard', you will need a few pieces of hardware to do the job.oil pump, garden hose, large bucket and a 10' foot piece of the hose the same diameter as the hose that attaches to your raw water pump. Remove the hose on the inlet side of your water pumpattach the 10' piece to the water pump and place the other end in the bucket in the cockpit and fill with water from the garden hose..start your engine and let it run until the engine reaches normal operating temp..keep the water level in the bucket so you are not sucking in air. Shut engine down.change the oil and filter. Now empty water from the bucket and put your antifreeze in the bucket..2 gallons will be more than enough.start your engine and run until you see antifreeze exiting from your exhaust.shut engine down. Some people leave the 10' hose connected to the water pump all wintermakes it easy in the Spring to start your engine before launch to retrieve the antifreeze in the engine. Some disconnect it and reconnect the raw water hose. Hope this helps. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2012/11/12 11:03 PM, Mark Meyer wrote: Hi List, Short season for me this year, bought our CC34 this spring and did a lot to bring her back to where she needs to be. But I'm late winterizing the Diesel engine and am looking for advice and tricks to speed me through getting this engine done. Any Advice? Thanks in advance, Mark Meyer SV Freedom, Whitehall MI ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34
This has been done on this boat for years. You just need to be prudent. However, it still makes it easy to do the bucket thing, as well. -Original Message- From: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:11 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 I've seen advice like this a couple of times. Be very careful about hooking an land pressure water hose to your raw water system. As a matter of fact, don't do it. You can end up filling the exhaust manifold and the cylinders with water, which unsurprisingly, is bad for the engine. Far better to remove the raw water intake and put it in a bucket and let the water pump draw water at the required rate. Andrew Burton Newport, RI http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM, johnr...@aol.com wrote: Or have a very resourceful PO who plumbed in circuit with a valve and hose connection that enables one to close off the the outside intake, connect hose to outside water source, open the valve in the plumbed in circuit and run the engine quite merrily in minutes. Cheers, John Falcon -- CC 29-2 -Original Message- From: Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com To: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Robert and Jonathon, and all, Thanks for the tips; are there suggestions about best practices when doing oil changes on the 34? Mark From: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca To: Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:05 AM Subject: Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Mark: If your boat in 'on the hard', you will need a few pieces of hardware to do the job.oil pump, garden hose, large bucket and a 10' foot piece of the hose the same diameter as the hose that attaches to your raw water pump. Remove the hose on the inlet side of your water pumpattach the 10' piece to the water pump and place the other end in the bucket in the cockpit and fill with water from the garden hose..start your engine and let it run until the engine reaches normal operating temp..keep the water level in the bucket so you are not sucking in air. Shut engine down.change the oil and filter. Now empty water from the bucket and put your antifreeze in the bucket..2 gallons will be more than enough.start your engine and run until you see antifreeze exiting from your exhaust.shut engine down. Some people leave the 10' hose connected to the water pump all wintermakes it easy in the Spring to start your engine before launch to retrieve the antifreeze in the engine. Some disconnect it and reconnect the raw water hose. Hope this helps. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2012/11/12 11:03 PM, Mark Meyer wrote: Hi List, Short season for me this year, bought our CC34 this springand did a lot to bring her back to where she needs to be. But I'm late winterizing the Diesel engine and am looking for advice and tricks to speed me through getting this engine done. Any Advice? Thanks in advance, Mark Meyer SV Freedom, Whitehall MI ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34
Until I did the y-valve install, so did I...but I thought the heat exchanger protected the closed loop of the engine from any excess pressure. Assuming, of course, its a fresh water cooled engine...Raw water cooled...another story. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com From: johnr...@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:16:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 This has been done on this boat for years. You just need to be prudent. However, it still makes it easy to do the bucket thing, as well. -Original Message- From: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:11 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 I've seen advice like this a couple of times. Be very careful about hooking an land pressure water hose to your raw water system. As a matter of fact, don't do it. You can end up filling the exhaust manifold and the cylinders with water, which unsurprisingly, is bad for the engine. Far better to remove the raw water intake and put it in a bucket and let the water pump draw water at the required rate. Andrew Burton Newport, RI http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM, johnr...@aol.com wrote: Or have a very resourceful PO who plumbed in circuit with a valve and hose connection that enables one to close off the the outside intake, connect hose to outside water source, open the valve in the plumbed in circuit and run the engine quite merrily in minutes. Cheers, John Falcon -- CC 29-2 -Original Message- From: Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com To: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Robert and Jonathon, and all, Thanks for the tips; are there suggestions about best practices when doing oil changes on the 34? Mark From: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca To: Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:05 AM Subject: Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Mark: If your boat in 'on the hard', you will need a few pieces of hardware to do the job.oil pump, garden hose, large bucket and a 10' foot piece of the hose the same diameter as the hose that attaches to your raw water pump. Remove the hose on the inlet side of your water pumpattach the 10' piece to the water pump and place the other end in the bucket in the cockpit and fill with water from the garden hose..start your engine and let it run until the engine reaches normal operating temp..keep the water level in the bucket so you are not sucking in air. Shut engine down.change the oil and filter. Now empty water from the bucket and put your antifreeze in the bucket..2 gallons will be more than enough.start your engine and run until you see antifreeze exiting from your exhaust.shut engine down. Some people leave the 10' hose connected to the water pump all wintermakes it easy in the Spring to start your engine before launch to retrieve the antifreeze in the engine. Some disconnect it and reconnect the raw water hose. Hope this helps. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2012/11/12 11:03 PM, Mark Meyer wrote: Hi List, Short season for me this year, bought our CC34 this spring and did a lot to bring her back to where she needs to be. But I'm late winterizing the Diesel engine and am looking for advice and tricks to speed me through getting this engine done. Any Advice? Thanks in advance, Mark Meyer SV Freedom, Whitehall MI ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- phone +401 965 5260
Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34
Well, be careful. I had a mechanic--hired by the owner--do that on the big Volvo on a Swan 65 once. Had to replace the engine! On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:16 PM, johnr...@aol.com wrote: This has been done on this boat for years. You just need to be prudent. However, it still makes it easy to do the bucket thing, as well. -Original Message- From: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:11 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 I've seen advice like this a couple of times. Be very careful about hooking an land pressure water hose to your raw water system. As a matter of fact, don't do it. You can end up filling the exhaust manifold and the cylinders with water, which unsurprisingly, is bad for the engine. Far better to remove the raw water intake and put it in a bucket and let the water pump draw water at the required rate. Andrew Burton Newport, RI http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM, johnr...@aol.com wrote: Or have a very resourceful PO who plumbed in circuit with a valve and hose connection that enables one to close off the the outside intake, connect hose to outside water source, open the valve in the plumbed in circuit and run the engine quite merrily in minutes. Cheers, John Falcon -- CC 29-2 -Original Message- From: Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com To: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Robert and Jonathon, and all, Thanks for the tips; are there suggestions about best practices when doing oil changes on the 34? Mark -- *From:* Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca *To:* Mark Meyer fastguy1...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:05 AM *Subject:* Winterizing Advice sought for CC34 Mark: If your boat in 'on the hard', you will need a few pieces of hardware to do the job.oil pump, garden hose, large bucket and a 10' foot piece of the hose the same diameter as the hose that attaches to your raw water pump. Remove the hose on the inlet side of your water pumpattach the 10' piece to the water pump and place the other end in the bucket in the cockpit and fill with water from the garden hose..start your engine and let it run until the engine reaches normal operating temp..keep the water level in the bucket so you are not sucking in air. Shut engine down.change the oil and filter. Now empty water from the bucket and put your antifreeze in the bucket..2 gallons will be more than enough.start your engine and run until you see antifreeze exiting from your exhaust.shut engine down. Some people leave the 10' hose connected to the water pump all wintermakes it easy in the Spring to start your engine before launch to retrieve the antifreeze in the engine. Some disconnect it and reconnect the raw water hose. Hope this helps. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2012/11/12 11:03 PM, Mark Meyer wrote: Hi List, Short season for me this year, bought our CC34 this spring and did a lot to bring her back to where she needs to be. But I'm late winterizing the Diesel engine and am looking for advice and tricks to speed me through getting this engine done. Any Advice? Thanks in advance, Mark Meyer SV Freedom, Whitehall MI ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels
Gary, I was sailing around Rock Hall and Oxford. Didn't get to St Michaels. Also went into Baltimore inner Harbour - had Ravens tickets! Much more civilized on the western side, but great sailing over to the east. Great sun and wind. No rain all week - unusual for the Chesapeake - well when we go anyway! sam :-) On 2012-11-14, at 3:05 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote: Where were you, Sam? There is actually quite a bit over here, but just not a whole bunch of commercialization, which is the way we like it. We're an hour and a half from DC and Baltimore, so that is enough 'civilization' for most of us. And about 5-600 miles of shoreline in our county alone - OK? Gary - Original Message - From: Sam Salter To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels I was sailing the eastern shore of Maryland about 6 weeks ago - your right there is nothing there! Get it online: Sailrite: http://www.sailrite.com/3M-Dual-Lock-Type-250-1-Clear Amazon, eBay, office depot sam :-) On 2012-11-14, at 8:44 AM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote: Where do you get it? Gary 30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but over 50 miles to anything else - Original Message - From: Sam Salter To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/ It's like super industrial strength velcro. It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas. sam :-) C7C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: Joel, I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using plastic sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the wood. It is only 1/8” thick. ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up there using the stock Velcro. I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn’t seem to work well, especially in rough conditions. Jake Jake Brodersen CC 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a replacement? What glue would you use? Thanks! -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing Advice sought for CC34
I haven't tried it myself, but I read many times in various forums about making a hole on top of the oil filter with a screwdriver to drain the oil from it. Might be worth a try. Marek (s/v Fennel) in Ottawa ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
