Re: Stus-List Stus List Cabin Sole
Mike,
Jeff is a friend and owner of Like Father, Like Son II. Jeff will forward
the cost of the TH ply wood to you.
Arnold {:-)
On Wed, 4/15/15, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote:
Subject: RE: Stus-List Stus List Cabin Sole
To: Arnold Griesel arnold...@ymail.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2015, 7:28 AM
What did they charge you
for shipping or was that local for you?
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus List Cabin Sole
I am currently working on a
new cabin sole for a CC 32 #109. I looked and
compared Teak and Holley plywood online using these
points: veneer thickness, spacing of TH, core and
country of origin.
This
is the one we went with:
http://www.seacoasthardwood.com/marine-plywood/teak-and-holly
http://www.bruynzeelmultipanel.com/products/view/id/80?cid=3⟨=en
The coating is:
Two coats RAKA epoxy and five
coats of Epifanes's PU Clear Gloss two part varnish.
This is not an add, I am a
DIYer in Oklahoma. It is looking great! What is a
money pit? A Sailboat. {:-)
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Re: Stus-List Tiller on CC 35 Mkiii?
Hi Dave, We've really enjoyed owning our 35 Mk III. I think you've covered the majority of the model-specific risks (we're reinforcing the mast step this spring). One other area to check (for deck leaks and possible movement) are the chain plates. They are tied into the settee backs, which are then connected to knees glassed to the hull and the main bulkhead. There's probably an inspection plate in the settee back where the chainplates attach, but you can see the knees through the settee back lockers without much effort. Good luck! Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 3:28 PM, David Castor via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hello - first post here. I'm in the market for a boat and will be looking at two different 35 Mkiii tomorrow. One apparently has a tiller instead of a wheel. Does anyone know if this was an option on a new boat? I'm assuming it was probably a later conversion. I've already been advised on checking for leaks at hull/deck joint and portlights, as well as mast step area and deck delamination/core rot. If there are any other things to be looking for let me know. I'll definitely be getting a survey if it gets that far, but trying to screen out any major issues. Thanks, Dave Castor ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Tiller on CC 35 Mkiii?
Rob, Thanks for that link - I'll definitely take a look. We own a little trailer sailor at present (Potter 19), so this will be the first keelboat purchase for me. I've done a fair amount of sailing (passages from Portland to the San Juans) with friends on their boats, some sailing classes and a couple of cruises in the San Juans/Gulf Islands. We currently live in Oregon, but I'm in the process of retiring and we've purchased a house in Port Angeles, so if I do buy a boat, it will be based out of Port Angeles.I've been looking for something from 30' to 35' feet, so this is at the long end. I originally had been reluctant to consider these CC boats because of the cored hulls, but I guess I'm somewhat getting over that phobia, although I'll definitely be getting it surveyed. Cheers, Dave On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 1:28 PM, robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: Dave, welcome to the CC list. You didn't say if this was your first boat (I am betting it is not)..if you are, then the attached article and especially the part where it says to become a boat detective could be useful buying any boat. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/buying.htm However, if you are only looking for specifics on CC 35MKIII's, there are several owners on this list with considerable experience with the 35 MKIII. Keep the list informed on how you far out. And where do you sail from? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-04-16 4:28 PM, David Castor via CnC-List wrote: Hello - first post here. I'm in the market for a boat and will be looking at two different 35 Mkiii tomorrow. One apparently has a tiller instead of a wheel. Does anyone know if this was an option on a new boat? I'm assuming it was probably a later conversion. I've already been advised on checking for leaks at hull/deck joint and portlights, as well as mast step area and deck delamination/core rot. If there are any other things to be looking for let me know. I'll definitely be getting a survey if it gets that far, but trying to screen out any major issues. Thanks, Dave Castor ___ Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Tiller on CC 35 Mkiii?
Hello - first post here. I'm in the market for a boat and will be looking at two different 35 Mkiii tomorrow. One apparently has a tiller instead of a wheel. Does anyone know if this was an option on a new boat? I'm assuming it was probably a later conversion. I've already been advised on checking for leaks at hull/deck joint and portlights, as well as mast step area and deck delamination/core rot. If there are any other things to be looking for let me know. I'll definitely be getting a survey if it gets that far, but trying to screen out any major issues. Thanks, Dave Castor ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Tiller on CC 35 Mkiii?
David, Welcome! We emailed each other on SN. Guys, other major issues? Joel On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 3:28 PM, David Castor via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hello - first post here. I'm in the market for a boat and will be looking at two different 35 Mkiii tomorrow. One apparently has a tiller instead of a wheel. Does anyone know if this was an option on a new boat? I'm assuming it was probably a later conversion. I've already been advised on checking for leaks at hull/deck joint and portlights, as well as mast step area and deck delamination/core rot. If there are any other things to be looking for let me know. I'll definitely be getting a survey if it gets that far, but trying to screen out any major issues. Thanks, Dave Castor ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Tiller on CC 35 Mkiii?
Dave, welcome to the CC list. You didn't say if this was your first boat (I am betting it is not)..if you are, then the attached article and especially the part where it says to become a boat detective could be useful buying any boat. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/buying.htm However, if you are only looking for specifics on CC 35MKIII's, there are several owners on this list with considerable experience with the 35 MKIII. Keep the list informed on how you far out. And where do you sail from? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-04-16 4:28 PM, David Castor via CnC-List wrote: Hello - first post here. I'm in the market for a boat and will be looking at two different 35 Mkiii tomorrow. One apparently has a tiller instead of a wheel. Does anyone know if this was an option on a new boat? I'm assuming it was probably a later conversion. I've already been advised on checking for leaks at hull/deck joint and portlights, as well as mast step area and deck delamination/core rot. If there are any other things to be looking for let me know. I'll definitely be getting a survey if it gets that far, but trying to screen out any major issues. Thanks, Dave Castor ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Tiller on CC 35 Mkiii?
Welcome to the list. Oh, no! Not a cored hull!!! Anybody on the list had a serious issue with a CC cored hull? Crickets. Crickets. Well, not many. CC did a great job of totally encapsulating the cores and placing solid glass where thru-hulls were located. Other manufacturers weren't so proficient. BTW, the 35-1 is a solid hull. :) Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 5:02 PM, David Castor via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Rob, Thanks for that link - I'll definitely take a look. We own a little trailer sailor at present (Potter 19), so this will be the first keelboat purchase for me. I've done a fair amount of sailing (passages from Portland to the San Juans) with friends on their boats, some sailing classes and a couple of cruises in the San Juans/Gulf Islands. We currently live in Oregon, but I'm in the process of retiring and we've purchased a house in Port Angeles, so if I do buy a boat, it will be based out of Port Angeles.I've been looking for something from 30' to 35' feet, so this is at the long end. I originally had been reluctant to consider these CC boats because of the cored hulls, but I guess I'm somewhat getting over that phobia, although I'll definitely be getting it surveyed. Cheers, Dave On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 1:28 PM, robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: Dave, welcome to the CC list. You didn't say if this was your first boat (I am betting it is not)..if you are, then the attached article and especially the part where it says to become a boat detective could be useful buying any boat. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/buying.htm However, if you are only looking for specifics on CC 35MKIII's, there are several owners on this list with considerable experience with the 35 MKIII. Keep the list informed on how you far out. And where do you sail from? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-04-16 4:28 PM, David Castor via CnC-List wrote: Hello - first post here. I'm in the market for a boat and will be looking at two different 35 Mkiii tomorrow. One apparently has a tiller instead of a wheel. Does anyone know if this was an option on a new boat? I'm assuming it was probably a later conversion. I've already been advised on checking for leaks at hull/deck joint and portlights, as well as mast step area and deck delamination/core rot. If there are any other things to be looking for let me know. I'll definitely be getting a survey if it gets that far, but trying to screen out any major issues. Thanks, Dave Castor ___ Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Why does my furler get hung up?
I just bent on my main and jib this evening. While furling my jib, the furler (Harken) seemed to get caught up somehow. It was as if the furler wanted to unwind a little, if that makes sense. I know that my jib sheets were not fouled. It felt as if I was twisting the foil or the forestay. I managed to furl by repeatedly backing off and gingerly furling again. Anyway, I'm asking because this happened to me last summer under sail while I was trying to reef. The situation was as above, but with the added drama of a wildly flapping jib. Is there an obvious reason for this? Robert H. 1989 CC 30 MKII___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Why does my furler get hung up?
Is there something at the masthead getting caught in the furler, by any chance? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 16 April 2015 at 22:08, RPH via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I just bent on my main and jib this evening. While furling my jib, the furler (Harken) seemed to get caught up somehow. It was as if the furler wanted to unwind a little, if that makes sense. I know that my jib sheets were not fouled. It felt as if I was twisting the foil or the forestay. I managed to furl by repeatedly backing off and gingerly furling again. Anyway, I'm asking because this happened to me last summer under sail while I was trying to reef. The situation was as above, but with the added drama of a wildly flapping jib. Is there an obvious reason for this? Robert H. 1989 CC 30 MKII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Why does my furler get hung up?
Hi Robert, The common causes of furler madness is halyard too tight, halyard too loose or halyard lead too shallow. A poor halyard lead is the most cause of furler nonperformance. The most common solution is to install a fairlead as the halyard comes out of the box at the masthead. I had a similar problem to yours and everything went fine since I added a shackle to the jib tack, which allows the swivel to go a bit higher and steepen the halyard lead. You must do something as that is a very bad situation to sail with. Search out halyard wrap and other furler horror stories. It simply will not work as is and you could break it in a blow by forcing things to furl. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 east side, Vancouver Island At 10:08 PM 16/04/2015, you wrote: I just bent on my main and jib this evening. While furling my jib, the furler (Harken) seemed to get caught up somehow. It was as if the furler wanted to unwind a little, if that makes sense. I know that my jib sheets were not fouled. It felt as if I was twisting the foil or the forestay. I managed to furl by repeatedly backing off and gingerly furling again. Anyway, I'm asking because this happened to me last summer under sail while I was trying to reef. The situation was as above, but with the added drama of a wildly flapping jib. Is there an obvious reason for this? Robert H. 1989 CC 30 MKII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Tiller on CC 35 Mkiii?
I'm not sure Alan's around much, but I'll chip in. There are some original tiller 35's. The cockpit is designed for a wheel so it's a little crowded with tiller, but the tiller gives you great cockpit space at anchor as well as better feel at the helm. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 16 April 2015 at 20:56, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Dave, You might want to hunt down Alan in Portland. He's had *Thirsty *for a long time. With any luck he will even answer your original question about a tiller equipped 35 mk-3. Alan Bergen alan-at-h...@comcast.net CC 35 Mk III *Thirsty *Rose City YC Portland, OR Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35 mk-1 west coast, Canada At 03:02 PM 16/04/2015, you wrote: Rob, Thanks for that link - I'll definitely take a look. We own a little trailer sailor at present (Potter 19), so this will be the first keelboat purchase for me. I've done a fair amount of sailing (passages from Portland to the San Juans) with friends on their boats, some sailing classes and a couple of cruises in the San Juans/Gulf Islands.   We currently live in Oregon, but I'm in the process of retiring and we've purchased a house in Port Angeles, so if I do buy a boat, it will be based out of Port Angeles.   I've been looking for something from 30' to 35' feet, so this is at the long end. I originally had been reluctant to consider these CC boats because of the cored hulls, but I guess I'm somewhat getting over that phobia, although I'll definitely be getting it surveyed.  Cheers, Dave On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 1:28 PM, robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: Dave, welcome to the CC list. You didn't say if this was your first boat (I am betting it is not)..if you are, then the attached article and especially the part where it says to become a boat detective could be useful buying any boat. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/buying.htm However, if you are only looking for specifics on CC 35MKIII's, there are several owners on this list with considerable experience with the 35 MKIII. Keep the list informed on how you far out. And where do you sail from? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-04-16 4:28 PM, David Castor via CnC-List wrote: Hello - first post here. I'm in the market for a boat and will be looking at two different 35 Mkiii tomorrow. One apparently has a tiller instead of a wheel. Does anyone know if this was an option on a new boat? I'm assuming it was probably a later conversion. I've already been advised on checking for leaks at hull/deck joint and portlights, as well as mast step area and deck delamination/core rot. If there are any other things to be looking for let me know. I'll definitely be getting a survey if it gets that far, but trying to screen out any major issues. Thanks, Dave Castor ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Tiller on CC 35 Mkiii?
Lucky man! -Original Message- From: David Castor via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2015-04-16 6:02 PM To: robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Tiller on CC 35 Mkiii? Rob, Thanks for that link - I'll definitely take a look. We own a little trailer sailor at present (Potter 19), so this will be the first keelboat purchase for me. I've done a fair amount of sailing (passages from Portland to the San Juans) with friends on their boats, some sailing classes and a couple of cruises in the San Juans/Gulf Islands. We currently live in Oregon, but I'm in the process of retiring and we've purchased a house in Port Angeles, so if I do buy a boat, it will be based out of Port Angeles.I've been looking for something from 30' to 35' feet, so this is at the long end. I originally had been reluctant to consider these CC boats because of the cored hulls, but I guess I'm somewhat getting over that phobia, although I'll definitely be getting it surveyed. Cheers, Dave On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 1:28 PM, robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: Dave, welcome to the CC list. You didn't say if this was your first boat (I am betting it is not)..if you are, then the attached article and especially the part where it says to become a boat detective could be useful buying any boat. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/buying.htm However, if you are only looking for specifics on CC 35MKIII's, there are several owners on this list with considerable experience with the 35 MKIII. Keep the list informed on how you far out. And where do you sail from? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-04-16 4:28 PM, David Castor via CnC-List wrote: Hello - first post here. I'm in the market for a boat and will be looking at two different 35 Mkiii tomorrow. One apparently has a tiller instead of a wheel. Does anyone know if this was an option on a new boat? I'm assuming it was probably a later conversion. I've already been advised on checking for leaks at hull/deck joint and portlights, as well as mast step area and deck delamination/core rot. If there are any other things to be looking for let me know. I'll definitely be getting a survey if it gets that far, but trying to screen out any major issues. Thanks, Dave Castor ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Tiller on CC 35 Mkiii?
David, The key points have already been mentioned. I’ve spent a lot of time in, around, and under my boat, so if you have any questions about its construction or capabilities, just let me (and the list) know. The Mk-III is a fine sailing boat that sails to windward like a witch. Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Castor via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 3:28 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Tiller on CC 35 Mkiii? Hello - first post here. I'm in the market for a boat and will be looking at two different 35 Mkiii tomorrow. One apparently has a tiller instead of a wheel. Does anyone know if this was an option on a new boat? I'm assuming it was probably a later conversion. I've already been advised on checking for leaks at hull/deck joint and portlights, as well as mast step area and deck delamination/core rot. If there are any other things to be looking for let me know. I'll definitely be getting a survey if it gets that far, but trying to screen out any major issues. Thanks, Dave Castor ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Tiller on CC 35 Mkiii?
Hi Dave, You might want to hunt down Alan in Portland. He's had Thirsty for a long time. With any luck he will even answer your original question about a tiller equipped 35 mk-3. Alan Bergen alan-at-h...@comcast.net CC 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 west coast, Canada At 03:02 PM 16/04/2015, you wrote: Rob, Thanks for that link - I'll definitely take a look. We own a little trailer sailor at present (Potter 19), so this will be the first keelboat purchase for me. I've done a fair amount of sailing (passages from Portland to the San Juans) with friends on their boats, some sailing classes and a couple of cruises in the San Juans/Gulf Islands.   We currently live in Oregon, but I'm in the process of retiring and we've purchased a house in Port Angeles, so if I do buy a boat, it will be based out of Port Angeles.   I've been looking for something from 30' to 35' feet, so this is at the long end. I originally had been reluctant to consider these CC boats because of the cored hulls, but I guess I'm somewhat getting over that phobia, although I'll definitely be getting it surveyed.  Cheers, Dave On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 1:28 PM, robert mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.carobertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: Dave, welcome to the CC list. You didn't say if this was your first boat (I am betting it is not)..if you are, then the attached article and especially the part where it says to become a boat detective could be useful buying any boat. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/buying.htmhttp://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/buying.htm However, if you are only looking for specifics on CC 35MKIII's, there are several owners on this list with considerable experience with the 35 MKIII. Keep the list informed on how you far out. And where do you sail from? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-04-16 4:28 PM, David Castor via CnC-List wrote: Hello - first post here. I'm in the market for a boat and will be looking at two different 35 Mkiii tomorrow. One apparently has a tiller instead of a wheel. Does anyone know if this was an option on a new boat? I'm assuming it was probably a later conversion. I've already been advised on checking for leaks at hull/deck joint and portlights, as well as mast step area and deck delamination/core rot. If there are any other things to be looking for let me know. I'll definitely be getting a survey if it gets that far, but trying to screen out any major issues. Thanks, Dave Castor ___ Email address: mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.comCnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.comhttp://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
