Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Spray the roachy bit of the main with McLube, helps it slide through much
easier.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 4 July 2016 at 16:04, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I intentionally had my new main designed with less roach so that it
> wouldn't catch.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Jul 4, 2016 6:15 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks all!  Guess I should not worry about it.  I'm still new and this
>> seemed strange or bad.
>> On Jul 4, 2016 4:48 PM, "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You can add a crane to the top of the mast – some have a springy batten
>>> or stainless strap – some are fixed. If you race, it may cause problems
>>> with your handicap. Or, the simplest – just don’t haul the sail all the way
>>> up – keep it down an inch or so and use the Cunningham to firm up the luff.
>>> Or do what all the other guys have mentioned. Our J-80 was notorious for
>>> having the main hang on the backstay. Pain in the butt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>>> *Dennis
>>> C. via CnC-List
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 4, 2016 4:19 PM
>>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
>>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lorne,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Get out the roach spray!  As others have said, not a big deal. Your main
>>> has some extra roach. Both of my mains do also. Wouldn't have it any other
>>> way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The only time it will be an issue is light air. Then, like others have
>>> suggested, give the back stay a whack, drop the traveler or ease the sheet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some sport boats have a lot of extra roach. Look for rigs that have a
>>> spring crane? that lifts and pulls aft the back stay to allow the main to
>>> pass. Not sure if crane is the right term.
>>>
>>> Again a caution to all about sailing with a wire topping lift. They will
>>> chafe the batten pockets a you'll eject a batten. They don't float.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>>
>>> Touché 35-1 #83
>>>
>>> Mandeville, LA
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just put up my main sail for the 1st time today.  I've never had a boat
>>> with a back stay.  On my 1988 C 30MKII sail hits the leach.   How's that
>>> supposed to work?
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I intentionally had my new main designed with less roach so that it
wouldn't catch.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 4, 2016 6:15 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Thanks all!  Guess I should not worry about it.  I'm still new and this
> seemed strange or bad.
> On Jul 4, 2016 4:48 PM, "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> You can add a crane to the top of the mast – some have a springy batten
>> or stainless strap – some are fixed. If you race, it may cause problems
>> with your handicap. Or, the simplest – just don’t haul the sail all the way
>> up – keep it down an inch or so and use the Cunningham to firm up the luff.
>> Or do what all the other guys have mentioned. Our J-80 was notorious for
>> having the main hang on the backstay. Pain in the butt.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
>> C. via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 4, 2016 4:19 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lorne,
>>
>>
>>
>> Get out the roach spray!  As others have said, not a big deal. Your main
>> has some extra roach. Both of my mains do also. Wouldn't have it any other
>> way.
>>
>>
>>
>> The only time it will be an issue is light air. Then, like others have
>> suggested, give the back stay a whack, drop the traveler or ease the sheet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some sport boats have a lot of extra roach. Look for rigs that have a
>> spring crane? that lifts and pulls aft the back stay to allow the main to
>> pass. Not sure if crane is the right term.
>>
>> Again a caution to all about sailing with a wire topping lift. They will
>> chafe the batten pockets a you'll eject a batten. They don't float.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>> Touché 35-1 #83
>>
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just put up my main sail for the 1st time today.  I've never had a boat
>> with a back stay.  On my 1988 C 30MKII sail hits the leach.   How's that
>> supposed to work?
>>
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Stus-List List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.

[TOM VINCENT via CnC-List]

I have the same issue and what we do on light air days is lower the halyard a 
few inches and use the cunningham to tighen the luff, you are not effecting the 
foot usually. 
Tom VincentFrolic II C 36 cbChesapeake City, MD   
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Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

Thanks all!  Guess I should not worry about it.  I'm still new and this
seemed strange or bad.
On Jul 4, 2016 4:48 PM, "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> You can add a crane to the top of the mast – some have a springy batten or
> stainless strap – some are fixed. If you race, it may cause problems with
> your handicap. Or, the simplest – just don’t haul the sail all the way up –
> keep it down an inch or so and use the Cunningham to firm up the luff. Or
> do what all the other guys have mentioned. Our J-80 was notorious for
> having the main hang on the backstay. Pain in the butt.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, July 4, 2016 4:19 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.
>
>
>
> Lorne,
>
>
>
> Get out the roach spray!  As others have said, not a big deal. Your main
> has some extra roach. Both of my mains do also. Wouldn't have it any other
> way.
>
>
>
> The only time it will be an issue is light air. Then, like others have
> suggested, give the back stay a whack, drop the traveler or ease the sheet.
>
>
>
> Some sport boats have a lot of extra roach. Look for rigs that have a
> spring crane? that lifts and pulls aft the back stay to allow the main to
> pass. Not sure if crane is the right term.
>
> Again a caution to all about sailing with a wire topping lift. They will
> chafe the batten pockets a you'll eject a batten. They don't float.
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touché 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Just put up my main sail for the 1st time today.  I've never had a boat
> with a back stay.  On my 1988 C 30MKII sail hits the leach.   How's that
> supposed to work?
>
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Re: Stus-List Centerboard cable

[Mike Brannon via CnC-List]

On my 36 it attaches to the boat with a bow shackle.   I had the cable made and 
then sized it at the boat using wire clamps..   

Mike C 36 CB 93295
Virginia Beach, VA

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> On Jul 4, 2016, at 16:18, demojo58 via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello, I have a cnc 32cb and my cable broke inside the hole cut out on the 
> trailing edge of the centerboard does anyone know how the cable attaches to 
> the board
> 
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Stus-List Sail cover

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I was digging around in the recesses of my garage looking for the two 
gallons of bottom pain that I seem to have misplaced and ran across 
our old sail cover from Alera.  With the in boom furling, dom't need 
it or want it.


If you want it, just cover the shipping cost and it's yours.  It's 
in  really good shape...see for yourself.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/37365243@N00/27805231910/in/dateposted-public/

Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List Centerboard cable

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

If it is anything like mine the cable is swagged to a 1/2" diameter rod (for 
lack of better term).  Within About 1/2" from the end there is a 1/4" hole.  
The rod passes through a hole in the end of the centre board and a 1/4" bolt 
goes through a hole in the centre board and through the rod.  This rod end 
cannot not be bought at a chandlery.  You have to get it machined using the old 
one as a guide.  Also take the other end of the cable ( a new one that you will 
swage on) the machinist will use the cable end as a guide to make the swage end 
of the other end.  Sounds confusing.  My board is in my garage and the 
machinist has made one already an exact duplicate , although I took the other 
end as a guide.  So ther is no material to compress around the cable.

I can give you a picture of the centreboard but the machinist hasn't called yet.

Is your board jammed up or hanging down.  My cable broke in the Bahamas. No 
from uses but I grabbed it for balance and it came out in my hand.  Fortunately 
the zebra muscles in Lake Ontario had in jammed in place.  As soon as I got 
back to Canada I had the boat hauled and the board removed.   10 years of 
ownership and I can only remember using to board twice.

Good luck

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Jul 4, 2016, at 4:18 PM, demojo58 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello, I have a cnc 32cb and my cable broke inside the hole cut out on the 
> trailing edge of the centerboard does anyone know how the cable attaches to 
> the board
> 
> Sent from Samsung tablet
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Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

You can add a crane to the top of the mast – some have a springy batten or 
stainless strap – some are fixed. If you race, it may cause problems with your 
handicap. Or, the simplest – just don’t haul the sail all the way up – keep it 
down an inch or so and use the Cunningham to firm up the luff. Or do what all 
the other guys have mentioned. Our J-80 was notorious for having the main hang 
on the backstay. Pain in the butt.

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 4:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.

 

Lorne,

 

Get out the roach spray!  As others have said, not a big deal. Your main has 
some extra roach. Both of my mains do also. Wouldn't have it any other way. 

 

The only time it will be an issue is light air. Then, like others have 
suggested, give the back stay a whack, drop the traveler or ease the sheet. 

 

Some sport boats have a lot of extra roach. Look for rigs that have a spring 
crane? that lifts and pulls aft the back stay to allow the main to pass. Not 
sure if crane is the right term. 

Again a caution to all about sailing with a wire topping lift. They will chafe 
the batten pockets a you'll eject a batten. They don't float. 

 

Dennis C.

Touché 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 4, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List  > wrote:

Just put up my main sail for the 1st time today.  I've never had a boat with a 
back stay.  On my 1988 C 30MKII sail hits the leach.   How's that supposed to 
work? 

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Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Lorne,

Get out the roach spray!  As others have said, not a big deal. Your main has 
some extra roach. Both of my mains do also. Wouldn't have it any other way. 

The only time it will be an issue is light air. Then, like others have 
suggested, give the back stay a whack, drop the traveler or ease the sheet. 

Some sport boats have a lot of extra roach. Look for rigs that have a spring 
crane? that lifts and pulls aft the back stay to allow the main to pass. Not 
sure if crane is the right term. 

Again a caution to all about sailing with a wire topping lift. They will chafe 
the batten pockets a you'll eject a batten. They don't float. 

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Just put up my main sail for the 1st time today.  I've never had a boat with 
> a back stay.  On my 1988 C 30MKII sail hits the leach.   How's that 
> supposed to work?
> 
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Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

When the main is full, the leach probably won't hit the back-stay.  If it
does, it will get past the back-stay when you tack, except in very light
air.  In that case, you might have to let out the traveler, or as a last
resort, lower the sail until it clears, and then raise it.  Another thing
you can do, is tighten the back-stay.  That will pull the top of the mast
back, giving you more clearance.  Mine is the same way.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Just put up my main sail for the 1st time today.  I've never had a boat
> with a back stay.  On my 1988 C 30MKII sail hits the leach.   How's that
> supposed to work?
>
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Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Are you sure it's hitting the backstay, or is it hitting the (main boom) 
topping lift? It's relatively common for topping lifts to interfere with main 
leeches. After raising the main you need to ease the topping lift enough for 
the leech to clear it. If you get a rigid vang you don't need a topping lift, 
and they are generally a PITA. But if your boat didn't have a backstay, its 
mast would fall over forward. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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Cc: "Lorne Serpa"  
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 1:35:35 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay. 



Just put up my main sail for the 1st time today. I've never had a boat with a 
back stay. On my 1988 C 30MKII sail hits the leach. How's that supposed to 
work? 
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Re: Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The wind should push the leach past the backstay.  If not you can usually
shake the backstay (fore and aft) and the addition of wind will push the
leach past.  Otherwise, just let the traveler down.

Keep and eye on the leach for wear.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 4, 2016 3:36 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Just put up my main sail for the 1st time today.  I've never had a boat
> with a back stay.  On my 1988 C 30MKII sail hits the leach.   How's that
> supposed to work?
>
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Stus-List Embarrassing... But sail leach hits back stay.

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

Just put up my main sail for the 1st time today.  I've never had a boat
with a back stay.  On my 1988 C 30MKII sail hits the leach.   How's that
supposed to work?
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Stus-List Centerboard cable

[demojo58 via CnC-List]

Hello, I have a cnc 32cb and my cable broke inside the hole cut out on the 
trailing edge of the centerboard does anyone know how the cable attaches to the 
board

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Re: Stus-List Transmission/prop woes

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Two years ago for us.  Courtesy of a line wrapped around the prop.

Cutlass bearing was due for replacement anyway and the shaft was worn a bit 
under that.  New coupler, shaft, cutlass bearing, Dripless Shaft Seal and some 
work on stern tube and strut.

I now watch more carefully for lines ...

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Transmission/prop woes


I had it happen last year, while being committee boat - so anchored in an open 
area, lee shore.  Thankfully our mark boat was a big one and could tow me in.  
New shaft and coupling...

Graham Collins

Secret Plans

C 35-III #11
On 2016-07-01 2:15 PM, TOM VINCENT via CnC-List wrote:
It seems this is the year for the shaft to remove itself from the coupler. I 
race on Wednesday nights on the Bohemia River and 4 weeks ago I had decided to 
go out early and warm up a little. I had to return to the fuel dock to pick up 
one crew member. I was adjacent of the pier and he hopped aboard, I slid the 
gear shift lever down, this puts the trans in forward, and nothing. We were 
slowly moving forward to the rock pile jetty at the end of the fuel dock and I 
start shouting for the crew to raise the main and get our butts away from the 
rocks. The wind was blowing abeam and it was impossible to raise the main, one 
crew member quickly unfurls about 10' of the genoa and we develop enough 
forward motion to provide me steerage. We barely missed ending up on the rocks. 
I had the marina haul the boat and they replaced the coupler and many boat 
dollars later, I am back sailing.

Tom Vincent
Frolic II, C 36'cb
Chesapeake City, MD




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