Re: Stus-List Unclogged cockpit drains

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I have a section of tygon hose which I can attach to the inside side of the
through hull.  Since the hose is clear I can see where the water line is
(about a foot above the floor boards) I have a ram rod dowel which is just
big enough to fit through the valve and long enough to reach from the
inside to the outside.  I can ram out anything through the tygon and
through hull without getting any flooding in the boat.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I discovered a mussel population growing in the thru hull by snorkeling
> below.  Cleaned it out with a foam coated wire.  Problem solved.
> Thanks all for your help.
>   Jeremy
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Jake Brodersen 
> To: 
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:40:21 -0400
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Clogged cockpit drains
>
> Jeremy,
>
>
>
> The seacocks can trap larger items.  You may want to use a wooden dowel
> from down below to loosen up the clog.  If that doesn’t work you may need
> to remove the cockpit drain hoses to clear them out.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> Ralph via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2016 18:16
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Jeremy Ralph 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Clogged cockpit drains
>
>
>
> Just got back from a lovely trip to the gulf islands, crossing the Strait
> of Georgia for my first time in our 78 C 34-1
>
>
>
> Now cleaning up after the kids made a mess of the cockpit and the drains are
> clogged.  Originally just one was clogged, but I stuck a small sink snake
> in and have clogged the other one too. There were some otters making a mess
> of mussel shells one time and I think some went down the drains.
>
>
>
> What I have tried:
>
> - blasting water down
>
> - small snake
>
> - shop vac blow and suck (not completely vacuumed sealed into the hose
> just held tight to the drain)
>
> - shutting and opening thru hulls - they aren't closing very well and I
> hear a sound like mussel shells when I close them
>
>
>
> Ideas:
>
> - go for a swim and poke a screw driver in from the water
>
> - close seacock, remove hose and check it. I'm worried it isn't shutting
> properly due to the cloggage though and don't want an surprise ingress of
> water while I'm contorting myself into the bilge to remove the hose clamps
>
>
>
> Any advice?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>   Jeremy
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Stus-List Unclogged cockpit drains

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

I discovered a mussel population growing in the thru hull by snorkeling
below.  Cleaned it out with a foam coated wire.  Problem solved.
Thanks all for your help.
  Jeremy

-- Forwarded message --
From: Jake Brodersen 
To: 
Cc:
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:40:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Clogged cockpit drains

Jeremy,



The seacocks can trap larger items.  You may want to use a wooden dowel
from down below to loosen up the clog.  If that doesn’t work you may need
to remove the cockpit drain hoses to clear them out.



Jake



*Jake Brodersen*

*C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*

*Hampton VA*







*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
Ralph via CnC-List
*Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2016 18:16
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Jeremy Ralph 
*Subject:* Stus-List Clogged cockpit drains



Just got back from a lovely trip to the gulf islands, crossing the Strait
of Georgia for my first time in our 78 C 34-1



Now cleaning up after the kids made a mess of the cockpit and the drains are
clogged.  Originally just one was clogged, but I stuck a small sink snake
in and have clogged the other one too. There were some otters making a mess
of mussel shells one time and I think some went down the drains.



What I have tried:

- blasting water down

- small snake

- shop vac blow and suck (not completely vacuumed sealed into the hose just
held tight to the drain)

- shutting and opening thru hulls - they aren't closing very well and I
hear a sound like mussel shells when I close them



Ideas:

- go for a swim and poke a screw driver in from the water

- close seacock, remove hose and check it. I'm worried it isn't shutting
properly due to the cloggage though and don't want an surprise ingress of
water while I'm contorting myself into the bilge to remove the hose clamps



Any advice?



Thanks,



  Jeremy

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Re: Stus-List Loud Yanmar 2gm - like open exhaust?

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Definitely low or no water flow. Drilling out the water injection elbow
that connects to the exhaust elbow might buy you some time.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 3 September 2016 at 18:19, svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sounds like a partially plugged mixing elbow, or maybe something blocking
> thr raw water someplace. Could also be a bad impeller.
>
>
> Doug Mountjoy
>
> svPegasus
>
> LF38 #4
>
> just west of Ballard, WA.
>
>
>
> -- Original message--
>
> *From: *Syerdave--- via CnC-List
>
> *Date: *Sat, Sep 3, 2016 17:37
>
> *To: *C Stus List;
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> *Cc: *syerd...@gmail.com;
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> *Subject:*Stus-List Loud Yanmar 2gm - like open exhaust?
>
>
> This just started happening this weekend.  When first started and idling the 
> exhaust is noisy - like an open exhaust, maybe no water.  Run it for a bit at 
> higher rpm, and suddenly it quiets down and sounds normal.  Next cold start, 
> same thing.  Did a quick check of the raw water strainer underway,  and there 
> was some stuff in there, but water was being sucked through. Is the 
> mixing elbow clogging?Haven't had that off yet...  Thanks 
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Re: Stus-List Loud Yanmar 2gm - like open exhaust?

[svpegasus38]

Sounds like a partially plugged mixing elbow, or maybe something blocking 
thr raw water someplace. Could also be a bad impeller. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 #4just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: Syerdave--- via CnC-List Date: Sat, Sep 3, 
2016 17:37To: C Stus List;Cc: syerd...@gmail.com;Subject:Stus-List Loud 
Yanmar 2gm -  like open exhaust?
This just started happening this weekend.  When first started and idling the 
exhaust is noisy - like an open exhaust, maybe no water.  Run it for a bit at 
higher rpm, and suddenly it quiets down and sounds normal.  Next cold start, 
same thing.  Did a quick check of the raw water strainer underway,  and there 
was some stuff in there, but water was being sucked through. Is the mixing 
elbow clogging?Haven't had that off yet...  Thanks 
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Re: Stus-List Garmin GMI10 Instrument

[John McKay via CnC-List]

I thought about this Tim but I have a GMI 10 on the same backbone as a GNX 20 
display. The GMI works flawlessly. The GNX 20 freezes. So it does not seem to 
be a voltage issue.
I have update software for the GNX 20 and still freezes.
Garmin has not been much help so far.
John on Enterprise


 

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 12:01 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Aaron,
I would suggest checking the voltage when other events occur (engine starting, 
water pressure or bilge pumps operating).  Electronics don't like it if 
momentary violate drops below around 10.5 Volts.
TimEx 35-3 (and NMEA certified installer)
On Sep 3, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List  
wrote:



My GMI10 started to randomly shut off.  I can power it back on using the power 
button. Not sure what to check. Power supply looks good. Other instruments are 
functioning OK. Any suggestions on what to check?
Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie,1979 C 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD
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Stus-List Loud Yanmar 2gm - like open exhaust?

[Syerdave--- via CnC-List]

This just started happening this weekend.  When first started and idling the 
exhaust is noisy - like an open exhaust, maybe no water.  Run it for a bit at 
higher rpm, and suddenly it quiets down and sounds normal.  Next cold start, 
same thing.  Did a quick check of the raw water strainer underway,  and there 
was some stuff in there, but water was being sucked through. Is the mixing 
elbow clogging?Haven't had that off yet...  Thanks all!

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Re: Stus-List Ev-100 clutch auto release!

[Syerdave--- via CnC-List]

Thanks gentlemen - an annoying problem indeed.. The unit is basically new, has 
seen very little use.   Solved temporarily with a tiny bungee cord.  Will 
tackle it tomorrow.

Dave


Message: 8
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 05:32:27 -0400
From: Joel Aronson 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ev-100 clutch auto release!
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Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear

[Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List]

Right.. any A4 with the Paragon transmission ( so with a reverse band like a 
motorcycle wet clutch ) should use a "SG" classification , which means it does 
not have the anti-friction additives. Straight 30 oil is also good. 
On modern oils the motorcycle JASO MA label has same standard .Moyer also 
recommends motorcycle oil like Castrol.
SylvainC

  From: Michael Brown via CnC-List 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brown 
 Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2016 5:29 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear
   
If you are using a modern engine oil with friction modifiers it may
be partially causing the problem.

The Paragon transmission does not shift gears in the traditional sense,
it has a hub that is a permanently engaged planetary gear. For forward
a clutch plate contacts the outer ring gear and planetary carrier, essentially
locking the set up. That transfers the input shaft to the output shaft 1:1.

The transmission is "wet", meaning it is bathed in engine oil. Despite that
the clutch material holds well enough to transfer the torque through using
the original spec engine oil. I think some of the newer oils with the friction
modifiers are too slippery and the clutch does not hold well under load.

I have switched to a Castrol oil, Grand Prix Motorcycle oil. It advertises 
itself
as having good wet clutch performance. Previously I was using a car oil with
a SH / SJ rating and friction modifiers. What I noticed was reverse was
soft in engaging. Coming off the dock it would take 2 - 3 boat lengths before
full power developed. After a couple of oil changes with the Grand Prix SG
oil I get great reverse ( and prop walk ) instantly.

On another note, the newest motor oils are API SM. To prevent problems with
catalytic converters the amount of phosphorus is being reduced. On older motors
the phosphorus was critical as an anti-wear additive for simple bearings and 
other
high load points.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1



Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 08:21:57 -0600
From: Randy Stafford 


Listers-

My Atomic-4 slips out of gear in forward if I open the throttle too much, 
especially under heavy load. It's not really a problem, because I don't need 
that much throttle. But I'm just wondering if this a common and fixable issue, 
or a safety feature, or what.

Cheers,
Randy


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Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

If you are using a modern engine oil with friction modifiers it may
be partially causing the problem.

The Paragon transmission does not shift gears in the traditional sense,
it has a hub that is a permanently engaged planetary gear. For forward
a clutch plate contacts the outer ring gear and planetary carrier, essentially
locking the set up. That transfers the input shaft to the output shaft 1:1.

The transmission is "wet", meaning it is bathed in engine oil. Despite that
the clutch material holds well enough to transfer the torque through using
the original spec engine oil. I think some of the newer oils with the friction
modifiers are too slippery and the clutch does not hold well under load.

I have switched to a Castrol oil, Grand Prix Motorcycle oil. It advertises 
itself
as having good wet clutch performance. Previously I was using a car oil with
a SH / SJ rating and friction modifiers. What I noticed was reverse was
soft in engaging. Coming off the dock it would take 2 - 3 boat lengths before
full power developed. After a couple of oil changes with the Grand Prix SG
oil I get great reverse ( and prop walk ) instantly.

On another note, the newest motor oils are API SM. To prevent problems with
catalytic converters the amount of phosphorus is being reduced. On older motors
the phosphorus was critical as an anti-wear additive for simple bearings and 
other
high load points.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1



Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 08:21:57 -0600 
From: Randy Stafford  

 
Listers- 
 
My Atomic-4 slips out of gear in forward if I open the throttle too much, 
especially under heavy load. It's not really a problem, because I don't need 
that much throttle. But I'm just wondering if this a common and fixable issue, 
or a safety feature, or what. 
 
Cheers, 
Randy 
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Re: Stus-List Sliding companion way hatch. 35-3

[Jon Pratt via CnC-List]

Lotta sheet metal screws right there. I would imagine butyl tape when
reinstalling?
Good project for when she's under the Fairclough cover. Gotta fix a Bomar
hatch hinge as well.
JP
Hideaway

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My boat was changed to the Harken traveler a long time ago.  I refreshed
> the bearings last year.  The car glides from side to side now.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim
> Watts via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, September 2, 2016 15:53
> *To:* 1 CnC List 
> *Cc:* Jim Watts 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sliding companion way hatch. 35-3
>
>
>
> Probably because his traveler car was missing a wheel or two, and the rest
> had flats. Just like mine. The Harken system was an excellent upgrade.
>
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Vhb tape

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Amazon.

On Saturday, September 3, 2016, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Oops. Typo, it should read vhs. 
>
> At 10:34 AM 03/09/2016, you wrote:
>
> Does it have to be vhb?
>
> You can get as much vhf tape as you need at almost any Thrift Shop. Many
> of the titles are on 3M... :)
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
>
> At 10:25 AM 03/09/2016, you wrote:
>
> Where can I get 3M vhb tape in Portland, Or?
>
> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
> C 44
> Portland, Or
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Stus-List 29-2 water filter

[Bev Parslow via CnC-List]

I need to replace the filter for the fresh water system. The filter is a small 
one and looks like Par and then something I cannot read. Any idea where I can 
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Re: Stus-List Vhb tape

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Oops. Typo, it should read vhs. 

At 10:34 AM 03/09/2016, you wrote:


Does it have to be vhb?

You can get as much vhf tape as you need at almost any Thrift Shop. 
Many of the titles are on 3M... :)


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 10:25 AM 03/09/2016, you wrote:


Where can I get 3M vhb tape in Portland, Or?

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or

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Re: Stus-List Vhb tape

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Staples sells it online. 


All the best,

Edd

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On Sep 3, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List  
wrote:

Where can I get 3M vhb tape in Portland, Or?

Fred Hazzard 
S/V Fury 
C 44
Portland, Or

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Stus-List Vhb tape

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

Where can I get 3M vhb tape in Portland, Or?

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or
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Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Ken Walters via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Randy,
> Probably a pretty straight forward  adjustment in the gear box. Mine did
> this when I bought it and a knowledgable A4 mechanic fixed it in about an
> hour after unknowledgeable mechanics dorked around for many hours on
> cables, props, etc. and many hundreds of dollars. There is definitely help
> to be had on the Moyer forums for this exact issue. It is also covered in
> detail on the Moyer A4 overhaul manual.
>
> If you are handy you can fix it yourself in about 30 minutes. You take off
> the gearbox cover plate, remove a set screw that holds a clutch ring/collar
> thing in place, rotate ring one way or the other one notch, put screw back
> in, do not drop screw down inside gearbox, test it out. It may make getting
> the engine in or out of gear a bit harder, there is a trade off. There is
> also an after market collar with notches closer together to avoid the too
> much too little issue.
> There are times when you need to know that you have maximum thrust - like
> when you are about to ram another boat or dock. To my mind this is a
> serious safety issue. A young, strong crewman fended my stern off when this
> happened to me while backing out of my slip in high wind. I parked the boat
> immediately and called a yard with A4 experience.
> If you cannot find the adjustment instructions on the Moyer site, contact
> me off list and I will send you a PDF.
> Ken
> 33-1 '75 A4
>
> Ditto.  When I had AT4 in Touche', it slipped in reverse.  Adjusted clutch
plate.  Issue fixed.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Garmin GMI10 Instrument

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Aaron,

I would suggest checking the voltage when other events occur (engine starting, 
water pressure or bilge pumps operating).  Electronics don't like it if 
momentary violate drops below around 10.5 Volts.

Tim
Ex 35-3 (and NMEA certified installer)

> On Sep 3, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My GMI10 started to randomly shut off.  I can power it back on using the 
> power button. Not sure what to check. Power supply looks good. Other 
> instruments are functioning OK. Any suggestions on what to check?
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Aaron R.
> Admiral Maggie,
> 1979 C 30 MK1 #540
> Annapolis, MD
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Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear

[Ken Walters via CnC-List]

Exactly. I bought my own gasket material (cork/rubber sheet) at the auto parts 
store and with a sharp knife and a punch made my own gasket.
Ken

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> On Sep 3, 2016, at 11:37 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> You also may need to adjust the clutch pressure. The Moyer Marine Rebuild 
> Manual explains how that is done in good detail. I will be doing the same as 
> soon as I receive the new gasket from Moyer Marine for the access cover to 
> the clutch and reversing gear assembly. 
> 
> Rob Mazza
> C Corvette Trillium IV
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> You may find that the engine is moving independent of the shift cable.  With 
>> older/softer engine mounts the thrust may be moving the engine 
>> closer/further from the cable.  Most cables are attached to the engine so 
>> this doesn't happen but if the cable of mount is broken or failing it may be 
>> causing the problem.  Get a partner to create the problem while you are 
>> watching the engine.
>> 
>> It could also be as simple as adjusting the cable.
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2016 10:23 AM, "Randy Stafford via CnC-List" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Listers-
>>> 
>>> My Atomic-4 slips out of gear in forward if I open the throttle too much, 
>>> especially under heavy load. It's not really a problem, because I don't 
>>> need that much throttle. But I'm just wondering if this a common and 
>>> fixable issue, or a safety feature, or what.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List A4 Slips Out of Gear

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

You may find that the engine is moving independent of the shift cable.
With older/softer engine mounts the thrust may be moving the engine
closer/further from the cable.  Most cables are attached to the engine so
this doesn't happen but if the cable of mount is broken or failing it may
be causing the problem.  Get a partner to create the problem while you are
watching the engine.

It could also be as simple as adjusting the cable.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 3, 2016 10:23 AM, "Randy Stafford via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers-
>
> My Atomic-4 slips out of gear in forward if I open the throttle too much,
> especially under heavy load. It's not really a problem, because I don't
> need that much throttle. But I'm just wondering if this a common and
> fixable issue, or a safety feature, or what.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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Stus-List Garmin GMI10 Instrument

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

My GMI10 started to randomly shut off.  I can power it back on using the power 
button. Not sure what to check. Power supply looks good. Other instruments are 
functioning OK. Any suggestions on what to check?

Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD
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