Re: Stus-List Asymmetric spinnaker short handed. 33-2?

[David Platt via CnC-List]

If you are planning to gybe around the front of the boat the rule of 
thumb for sheet length is twice the boat length.  You can probably knock 
25% off that length with a single line sheet (both ends connected to the 
tack).  I pull the snuffer down to gybe mine so I get away with a much 
shorter sheet (although, to be fair, it was much longer until I caught 
it in the prop.)



Good Luck

david

C&C32 Wanderer

On 2016-09-11 07:53 AM, Syerdave--- via CnC-List wrote:

Great, thanks gentlemen - very helpful.

So, I would assume the tack downhaul block aft of the furler is 
attached to the two u-bolts on deck where, on Windstar, there are 
currently two snap shackles permanently mounted.  (Used for halyards, 
pre-Furler?). Basically at the top  of the chain plate.   The tack 
downhaul would, in practice fly between the Furler drum and pulpit, 
aft of the pulpit, harmlessly massaging the Furler drum.  I have one 
of those web-strap deals  that can slide up and down the furled Jenny. 
 Used on my spin halyard.


I have the foredeck padeye, fair leads and cam cleat on stbd side of 
cabin top.   Stock I believe.


The halyard.I can't think of any reason that I need three headsail 
halyards lead aft.  Can you guys think of any reason NOT to have one 
of the wing halyards permanently belayed at the mast, and the other 
run back to the cockpit?   This would allow for crewed/non crewed 
spinnaking, less cabin-top clutter.  (Anyone tamed that?)


Last question - by any chance, did you note the length/dia of the 
sheets?  The sail will probably be bagged for the winter, but at least 
I can get prepared!   (A-Spin is .75oz, 74.07 m sq., FYI.  Custom, not 
stock, so fitted to I 13.56m, j 3.98m.)


Thanks again!

Dave.


: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:57:22 -0400
From: Andrew Burton >

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I take my tack to a block just aft of the furler. I also have a wide 
web that wraps around the furled headsail and keeps the tack near 
centerline. Ease the tack as you get further downwind.
Halyard definitely at the mast. Yes, use the outer halyards. On a 
three-halyard masthead only the "wings" can be used for the spinnaker, 
but all should work for the white sails.

Cheers
Andy

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett 
Newport, RI 
USA02840 

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260 




Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 11:10:55 -0300
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I have the same tack setup on my 33ii as described by Andrew Burton; a 
block just aft of the furler led to a cam cleat on the stbd side of 
the cockpit.
My halyards are all led aft to the cabin top, PITA when raising the 
gennaner but I have a cleat on the side of the mast which I use to 
temporarily tie off the halyard. Make sure you drop the sock on the 
same side you raised it on or you may have an issue with a halyard wrap.


Mike Amirault
C&C33ii  Lovely Cruise
SMSC
On Sep 9, 2016, at 18:06, Dave via CnC-List > wrote:


Just ordered my cruising chute from Rolly Tasker in Thailand and am 
looking forward to trying it out.. Probably next season.   Have flown 
my symmetrical a few times singlehanded.
Considering how to do this on Windstar and am curious about how 
others have addressed a few things:
-Halyard at cockpit.   In this case it might make sense to have 
halyard at mast - this way halyard, and spin-sock can be dealt with 
together.
-Halyard at masthead.  On the 33-2 there are three halyards 
available, all are in-masthead sheaves, parallel to each other .   I 
currently use the centre one for the Genoa, and any other halyard 
chafes its neighbour on one tack.
-Tack downhaul.   There isn't one forward of the furler drum.  The 
downhaul itself can be rigged using the spin-pole downhaul line, fair 
leads and cleats, but the fixed, forward tack is a problem to be 
resolved.

Many thanks for any guidance!
Dave - Windstar 33-2





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Re: Stus-List Asymmetric spinnaker short handed. 33-2?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Rick it was common starting in the early '80s or so for race boats to have 
three halyard mastheads with any useable for a job and the outer ones for 
spinnakers, too. They did away with cranes. I think it's the same way now. 
Peregrine has four halyards, but no cranes. 

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
PO Box 632
Newport, RI 
USA 02840

+401 965 5260


> On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:17, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Dave,
>  
> I would think that, with 3 halyards, the normal arrangement would be 1 for 
> the spin and two genoa halyards. The spin halyard could be left at the mast, 
> since it won’t need to have tension adjusted on a winch. The genoa halyards 
> would probably best be led to the cockpit.
>  
> You have not mentioned if your arrangement has a crane at the top of the 
> mast. Most of the C&Cs I’ve seen over the years (even my friends’ LF38) has a 
> crane. Would it not be best to put a block on the port side of the crane, 
> forward of the forestay, and run the spin halyard through that. Personally 
> I’d use the center halyard for the spin.
>  
> The two snap shackles under the furler drum were almost undoubtedly intended 
> for the genoa tack points (before the furler was installed). That is the way 
> my 38 was set up.
>  
> For running the A sail on my 38 I used to shackle a block to the anchor 
> roller, forward of the pulpit. That let the line go up outside of the pulpit, 
> though it still made contact with the upper bar. I can’t imagine what a PITA 
> it would be to try to gybe the A sail inside the headstay and between it and 
> the baby stay.
>  
> When I upgraded the ground tackle for cruising and added a double bow roller 
> arrangement, I had a strap welded into the new assemble as a purpose built 
> attachment for the block that routes the tack line. That puts the line about 
> a foot to 18” forward of the bow pulpit.
>  
> Your original post mentioned running the spin shorthanded, but the 
> description tends toward single handed. I’ve never managed that – unless you 
> count using George (the autopilot) to steer the boat while I was on the 
> foredeck raising the spin and the sock. It is an advantage to have both these 
> lines near the mast if there are only 2 of you aboard (or 1 plus George).
>  
> You will want your spin sheets to be about twice the length of the boat – 
> maybe about 10 feet more than that – if you plan to do outside gybes.
>  
>  
> Rick Brass
> Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2
> la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> Syerdave--- via CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 AM
> To: C&c Stus List 
> Cc: syerd...@gmail.com; amira...@bellaliant.net
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Asymmetric spinnaker short handed. 33-2?
>  
> Great, thanks gentlemen - very helpful.  
> 
> 
> So, I would assume the tack downhaul block aft of the furler is attached to 
> the two u-bolts on deck where, on Windstar, there are currently two snap 
> shackles permanently mounted.  (Used for halyards, pre-Furler?). Basically at 
> the top  of the chain plate.   The tack downhaul would, in practice fly 
> between the Furler drum and pulpit, aft of the pulpit, harmlessly massaging 
> the Furler drum.  I have one of those web-strap deals  that can slide up and 
> down the furled Jenny.  Used on my spin halyard.
> 
> 
> I have the foredeck padeye, fair leads and cam cleat on stbd side of cabin 
> top.   Stock I believe.   
> 
> 
> The halyard.I can't think of any reason that I need three headsail 
> halyards lead aft.  Can you guys think of any reason NOT to have one of the 
> wing halyards permanently belayed at the mast, and the other run back to the 
> cockpit?   This would allow for crewed/non crewed spinnaking, less cabin-top 
> clutter.  (Anyone tamed that?)
> 
> 
> Last question - by any chance, did you note the length/dia of the sheets?  
> The sail will probably be bagged for the winter, but at least I can get 
> prepared!   (A-Spin is .75oz, 74.07 m sq., FYI.  Custom, not stock, so fitted 
> to I 13.56m, j 3.98m.)
> 
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> : Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:57:22 -0400
> From: Andrew Burton 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Asymmetric spinnaker short handed. 33-2?
> Message-ID: <2ffb2a24-86a2-4fe3-9eb0-25b2e0836...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
> 
> I take my tack to a block just aft of the furler. I also have a wide web that 
> wraps around the furled headsail and keeps the tack near centerline. Ease the 
> tack as you get further downwind.
> Halyard definitely at the mast. Yes, use the outer halyards. On a 
> three-halyard masthead only the "wings" can be used for the spinnaker, but 
> all should work for the white sails.
> Cheers
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
> 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
> 
> 
>  
> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2

Re: Stus-List Asymmetric spinnaker short handed. 33-2?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Dave,

 

I would think that, with 3 halyards, the normal arrangement would be 1 for the 
spin and two genoa halyards. The spin halyard could be left at the mast, since 
it won’t need to have tension adjusted on a winch. The genoa halyards would 
probably best be led to the cockpit.

 

You have not mentioned if your arrangement has a crane at the top of the mast. 
Most of the C&Cs I’ve seen over the years (even my friends’ LF38) has a crane. 
Would it not be best to put a block on the port side of the crane, forward of 
the forestay, and run the spin halyard through that. Personally I’d use the 
center halyard for the spin.

 

The two snap shackles under the furler drum were almost undoubtedly intended 
for the genoa tack points (before the furler was installed). That is the way my 
38 was set up.

 

For running the A sail on my 38 I used to shackle a block to the anchor roller, 
forward of the pulpit. That let the line go up outside of the pulpit, though it 
still made contact with the upper bar. I can’t imagine what a PITA it would be 
to try to gybe the A sail inside the headstay and between it and the baby stay.

 

When I upgraded the ground tackle for cruising and added a double bow roller 
arrangement, I had a strap welded into the new assemble as a purpose built 
attachment for the block that routes the tack line. That puts the line about a 
foot to 18” forward of the bow pulpit.

 

Your original post mentioned running the spin shorthanded, but the description 
tends toward single handed. I’ve never managed that – unless you count using 
George (the autopilot) to steer the boat while I was on the foredeck raising 
the spin and the sock. It is an advantage to have both these lines near the 
mast if there are only 2 of you aboard (or 1 plus George).

 

You will want your spin sheets to be about twice the length of the boat – maybe 
about 10 feet more than that – if you plan to do outside gybes.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Syerdave--- 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:53 AM
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Cc: syerd...@gmail.com; amira...@bellaliant.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List Asymmetric spinnaker short handed. 33-2?

 

Great, thanks gentlemen - very helpful.  





So, I would assume the tack downhaul block aft of the furler is attached to the 
two u-bolts on deck where, on Windstar, there are currently two snap shackles 
permanently mounted.  (Used for halyards, pre-Furler?). Basically at the top  
of the chain plate.   The tack downhaul would, in practice fly between the 
Furler drum and pulpit, aft of the pulpit, harmlessly massaging the Furler 
drum.  I have one of those web-strap deals  that can slide up and down the 
furled Jenny.  Used on my spin halyard.





I have the foredeck padeye, fair leads and cam cleat on stbd side of cabin top. 
  Stock I believe.   





The halyard.I can't think of any reason that I need three headsail halyards 
lead aft.  Can you guys think of any reason NOT to have one of the wing 
halyards permanently belayed at the mast, and the other run back to the 
cockpit?   This would allow for crewed/non crewed spinnaking, less cabin-top 
clutter.  (Anyone tamed that?)





Last question - by any chance, did you note the length/dia of the sheets?  The 
sail will probably be bagged for the winter, but at least I can get prepared!   
(A-Spin is .75oz, 74.07 m sq., FYI.  Custom, not stock, so fitted to I 13.56m, 
j 3.98m.)





Thanks again!





Dave.









: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:57:22 -0400
From: Andrew Burton mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> >
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
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 >
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I take my tack to a block just aft of the furler. I also have a wide web that 
wraps around the furled headsail and keeps the tack near centerline. Ease the 
tack as you get further downwind.
Halyard definitely at the mast. Yes, use the outer halyards. On a three-halyard 
masthead only the "wings" can be used for the spinnaker, but all should work 
for the white sails.
Cheers
Andy

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett  
Newport, RI  
USA  02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260  




 

Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 11:10:55 -0300
From: mailto:amira...@bellaliant.net> >
To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Asymmetric spinnaker short handed. 33-2?
Message-ID: <7E6566F8DD764B869CF73E0B27AC5263@T60>
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I have the same tack setup on my 33ii as described by Andrew Burton; a block 
just aft of the furler led to a cam cleat on the stbd side of the cockpit.
My halyards are all led aft to the cabin top, PITA when raising t

Re: Stus-List Asymmetric spinnaker short handed. 33-2?

[Syerdave--- via CnC-List]

Great, thanks gentlemen - very helpful.  

So, I would assume the tack downhaul block aft of the furler is attached to the 
two u-bolts on deck where, on Windstar, there are currently two snap shackles 
permanently mounted.  (Used for halyards, pre-Furler?). Basically at the top  
of the chain plate.   The tack downhaul would, in practice fly between the 
Furler drum and pulpit, aft of the pulpit, harmlessly massaging the Furler 
drum.  I have one of those web-strap deals  that can slide up and down the 
furled Jenny.  Used on my spin halyard.

I have the foredeck padeye, fair leads and cam cleat on stbd side of cabin top. 
  Stock I believe.   

The halyard.I can't think of any reason that I need three headsail halyards 
lead aft.  Can you guys think of any reason NOT to have one of the wing 
halyards permanently belayed at the mast, and the other run back to the 
cockpit?   This would allow for crewed/non crewed spinnaking, less cabin-top 
clutter.  (Anyone tamed that?)

Last question - by any chance, did you note the length/dia of the sheets?  The 
sail will probably be bagged for the winter, but at least I can get prepared!   
(A-Spin is .75oz, 74.07 m sq., FYI.  Custom, not stock, so fitted to I 13.56m, 
j 3.98m.)

Thanks again!

Dave.


: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:57:22 -0400
From: Andrew Burton 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Asymmetric spinnaker short handed. 33-2?
Message-ID: <2ffb2a24-86a2-4fe3-9eb0-25b2e0836...@gmail.com>
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I take my tack to a block just aft of the furler. I also have a wide web that 
wraps around the furled headsail and keeps the tack near centerline. Ease the 
tack as you get further downwind.
Halyard definitely at the mast. Yes, use the outer halyards. On a three-halyard 
masthead only the "wings" can be used for the spinnaker, but all should work 
for the white sails.
Cheers
Andy

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 11:10:55 -0300
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I have the same tack setup on my 33ii as described by Andrew Burton; a block 
just aft of the furler led to a cam cleat on the stbd side of the cockpit.
My halyards are all led aft to the cabin top, PITA when raising the gennaner 
but I have a cleat on the side of the mast which I use to temporarily tie off 
the halyard. Make sure you drop the sock on the same side you raised it on or 
you may have an issue with a halyard wrap.

Mike Amirault
C&C33ii  Lovely Cruise
SMSC
> On Sep 9, 2016, at 18:06, Dave via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Just ordered my cruising chute from Rolly Tasker in Thailand and am looking 
> forward to trying it out.. Probably next season.   Have flown my symmetrical 
> a few times singlehanded.
> Considering how to do this on Windstar and am curious about how others have 
> addressed a few things:
> -Halyard at cockpit.   In this case it might make sense to have halyard at 
> mast - this way halyard, and spin-sock can be dealt with together.
> -Halyard at masthead.  On the 33-2 there are three halyards available, all 
> are in-masthead sheaves, parallel to each other .   I currently use the 
> centre one for the Genoa, and any other halyard chafes its neighbour on one 
> tack.   
> -Tack downhaul.   There isn't one forward of the furler drum.  The downhaul 
> itself can be rigged using the spin-pole downhaul line, fair leads and 
> cleats, but the fixed, forward tack is a problem to be resolved.   
> Many thanks for any guidance!
> Dave - Windstar 33-2


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