Re: Stus-List Winch sheeting angles

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Line Entry Angle is Important

Winches are further affected by how they are mounted on the boat. The most
important factor is to ensure a proper line entry angle. Lines must lead up
to a winch at about a 5-to-8-degree angle to prevent overrides of the sheet
on the drum. If lead blocks are too high to allow this angle up to the
drum, the winch must be raised slightly, or you will have serious problems
preventing overrides.

[image: image.png]
>From here (scroll down some): https://www.harken.com/article.aspx?id=15885

Ken H.

On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 at 01:41, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Try this.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 11:37 PM Brent Driedger via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Happy Saturday folks.
>> I recently got my hands on a pair of old Barient 23ST’s for my 27-5.  Yes
>> they are a size or so larger than needed but so what, I’m getting tired of
>> grinding till I hurt.
>> I attached one to the deck and went for a sail to test it out.  The
>> performance was stellar but it had a tendency to make a mess unless the
>> sheet was very tight.
>> I’m thinking there’s an issue with the angle the sheet enters the winch
>> at.  The 18s these replaced were over an inch closer to the deck and the
>> sheet entered right where the drum started.  Now the line enters about 8
>> degrees below that so the first wrap at the bottom tends to double up on
>> itself and only self corrects if there’s a lot of pressure.
>> Twice I had some ugly over rides starting from the first wrap at the
>> bottom.
>> My thoughts are that I will need a beveled base plate to tilt the winch
>> slightly towards the lead car to cancel out the angle.  Unfortunately I
>> cannot find any suggested entry angle literature on the net.
>> Any suggestions are appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers.
>> Brent Driedger
>> s/v Wild Rover
>> 27-5 Lake Winnipeg.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List Winch sheeting angles

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Try this.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 11:37 PM Brent Driedger via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Happy Saturday folks.
> I recently got my hands on a pair of old Barient 23ST’s for my 27-5.  Yes
> they are a size or so larger than needed but so what, I’m getting tired of
> grinding till I hurt.
> I attached one to the deck and went for a sail to test it out.  The
> performance was stellar but it had a tendency to make a mess unless the
> sheet was very tight.
> I’m thinking there’s an issue with the angle the sheet enters the winch
> at.  The 18s these replaced were over an inch closer to the deck and the
> sheet entered right where the drum started.  Now the line enters about 8
> degrees below that so the first wrap at the bottom tends to double up on
> itself and only self corrects if there’s a lot of pressure.
> Twice I had some ugly over rides starting from the first wrap at the
> bottom.
> My thoughts are that I will need a beveled base plate to tilt the winch
> slightly towards the lead car to cancel out the angle.  Unfortunately I
> cannot find any suggested entry angle literature on the net.
> Any suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Cheers.
> Brent Driedger
> s/v Wild Rover
> 27-5 Lake Winnipeg.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List 27 mk5 tuning

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

Hi Mark.  
Did you see a copy of the Speed Pac issued in 1984 based on performance 
evaluation of Smoke, hull #1.  There’s great stuff in there.  The biggest item 
is the 27-5 likes lots of mast rake.   

Brent Driedger
27-5
Wild Rover.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2018, at 6:08 PM, markbeggs17 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I've got the info from the c&c 27 association site for mk5 tuning, but was wo 
> during if there is anyone out there with more tuning info.   I'm always 
> looking to get the boat moving a bit faster
> 
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Stus-List Winch sheeting angles

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

Happy Saturday folks.  
I recently got my hands on a pair of old Barient 23ST’s for my 27-5.  Yes they 
are a size or so larger than needed but so what, I’m getting tired of grinding 
till I hurt.  
I attached one to the deck and went for a sail to test it out.  The performance 
was stellar but it had a tendency to make a mess unless the sheet was very 
tight. 
I’m thinking there’s an issue with the angle the sheet enters the winch at.  
The 18s these replaced were over an inch closer to the deck and the sheet 
entered right where the drum started.  Now the line enters about 8 degrees 
below that so the first wrap at the bottom tends to double up on itself and 
only self corrects if there’s a lot of pressure.  
Twice I had some ugly over rides starting from the first wrap at the bottom.  
My thoughts are that I will need a beveled base plate to tilt the winch 
slightly towards the lead car to cancel out the angle.  Unfortunately I cannot 
find any suggested entry angle literature on the net.  
Any suggestions are appreciated. 

Cheers. 
Brent Driedger
s/v Wild Rover
27-5 Lake Winnipeg. 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Bay boat crash

[Jim Peterson via CnC-List]

Is a chartered fishing boat considered commercial traffic?

Jim Peterson


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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 20:10:25 +
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Bay boat crash
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Little right of way issue .. ? What the heck .?? So glad all are ok ! That
could have tuened out really bad

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net



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Re: Stus-List Can't you read?

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Hi Stu, long time since we chattedI agree wholeheartedly with your positionMaybe the time has come that "DIGEST" simply get blocked with an "undeliverable" notice...   you are not the email etiquette policedon't waste your time,  just block the send..BestRon CasciatoImpromtu C&C 38MKII1977Sent from XFINITY Connect Application-Original Message-From: cnc-list@cnc-list.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: stu.murray@gmail.comSent: 2018-08-18 12:42:12 PM Subject: Stus-List Can't you read?



I have posted this many times but some people can’t or don’t read it.
 
The Subject – CnC List Digest, Vol XXX, Issue XX is a NO NO.  Read 
again – it’s a NO NO!  Change the subject line to reflect on the subject 
you are addressing.
 
Read that last List Digest email.  Notice anything – it was NOT 
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Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Bay boat crash

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Little right of way issue .. ? What the heck .?? So glad all are ok ! That 
could have tuened out really bad

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


On Aug 18, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Holy crap!  Glad everyone’s ok.

Cheers,
Randy

On Aug 18, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Heard this one on the VHF yesterday.  Relived to hear, but hard to believe, no 
one was seriously injured.

Unfortunately the fishing company's name "Chesapeake Bay Charter Services" is 
extremely close to our own business name "Chesapeake Bay Charters".  We started 
in 2013.  They started in 2015.  Ugh!

https://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/local/maryland/2018/08/17/chesapeake-bay-charter-sailboat-crash/1022589002/

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Stus-List Can't you read?

[Stu via CnC-List]

I have posted this many times but some people can’t or don’t read it.

The Subject – CnC List Digest, Vol XXX, Issue XX is a NO NO.  Read again – it’s 
a NO NO!  Change the subject line to reflect on the subject you are addressing.

Read that last List Digest email.  Notice anything – it was NOT trimmed and 
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storage fees are going up.

Are you on unlimited bandwidth?  What about our subscribers who have limited 
data and get whacked every time an untrimmed message is received?

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Stus-List Fwd: CnC-List Digest, Vol 151, Issue 93

[DAVID Campbell via CnC-List]

Throttle cable 33-2 
We have a 85 33 mark two and ours' was getting tight also, i followed the cable 
from under the pedestal and found a crosby" U bolt" clamped around the cable!! 
Loosened same and it was so free that it would rebound from full throttle. So 
was it installed by a former owner? or C&C ?? May be worth a look.
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>1.  Throttle cable for 33-2 (Doug Welch)
>2. Re:  Throttle cable for 33-2 (James Hesketh)
>3.  Chesapeake Bay boat crash (Josh Muckley)
>4. Re:  Throttle cable for 33-2 (Josh Muckley)
>5. Re:  Chesapeake Bay boat crash (Randy Stafford)
>6.  37/40 Hydraulics (Len Mitchell)
>7. Re:  37/40 Hydraulics (Bruce Whitmore)
>8. Re:  37/40 Hydraulics (Dennis C.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 14:32:49 + (UTC)
> From: Doug Welch 
> To: C&C List 
> Subject: Stus-List Throttle cable for 33-2
> Message-ID: <1464069268.181840.1534602769...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> 
> My throttle cable is getting pretty sticky. Can anyone point me to the 
> correct replacement?
> TIA,Doug
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> Doug Welch wrote:
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> >
> > My throttle cable is getting pretty sticky. Can anyone point me to the
> > correct replacement?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Doug
> >
> 
> 
> 
> If it's just getting sticky and is not fraying perhaps some lubricant may
> help:
> https://www.amazon.com/Protect-All-Cable-Life-Motorcycles/dp/B0022UOYTE
> 
> Jim
> C&C 26 Whisper
> Miami, FL
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 10:48:46 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Stus-List Chesapeake Bay boat crash
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> Heard this one on the VHF yesterday.  Relived to hear, but hard to believe,
> no one was seriously injured.
> 
> Unfortunately the fishing company's name "Chesapeake Bay Charter Services"
> is extremely close to our own business name "Chesapeake Bay Charters".  We
> started in 2013.  They started in 2015.  Ugh!
> 
> https://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/local/maryland/2018/08/17/chesapeake-bay-charter-sailboat-crash/1022589002/
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 10:50:58 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Throttle cable for 33-2
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> Teleflex cables are readily available.  You just need to remove the old one
> to determine the length.  While you're at it go ahead and replace the gear
> shift too.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Bay boat crash

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Clearly the damn blow boater making all of their unpredictable zig-zag
turns and such.  Why can't they just go in a straight line?

Josh

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 12:05 PM Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Easy to see the sailboat is at fault eh.
>
> Poor visibility and all white sailboat, the poor drunk powerboat coming in
> fast on STBD didn't have a chance...
> 
>
> Cheers, Russ
> ex - *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
> At 07:59 AM 8/18/2018, you wrote:
>
> Holy crap!  Glad everyone’s ok.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
>
>
> https://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/local/maryland/2018/08/17/chesapeake-bay-charter-sailboat-crash/1022589002/
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Bay boat crash

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Easy to see the sailboat is at fault eh.

Poor visibility and all white sailboat, the poor 
drunk powerboat coming in fast on STBD didn't have a chance...



Cheers, Russ
ex - Sweet 35 mk-1

At 07:59 AM 8/18/2018, you wrote:

Holy crap!  Glad everyone’s ok.

Cheers,
Randy



https://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/local/maryland/2018/08/17/chesapeake-bay-charter-sailboat-crash/1022589002/

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List 37/40 Hydraulics

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

For hoses, look at cable management sleeves or wraps from an office supply
store.

Dennis C.

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 10:23 AM Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bruce, my cylinders are A250 but there are different size A250s. Navtec
> lists all and you can use the dimensions online to identify what you have.
> I originally ordered the parts from Navtec or Southshore, can’t remember
> for sure, too close to 60 and they sent parts for an 89 37+. The cost was
> ridiculous for their seals, funny I can remember that part, so I sourced
> them myself this time. If you go to service your vang hydraulic yourself,
> beware there is a large spring inside that cylinder.
>
> Dennis, thanks I will add a 5/8 neoprene washer to the top of my seals.
> The hoses get baked from the sun too, it makes sense.
>
> Len
>
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Re: Stus-List 37/40 Hydraulics

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Thanks Len about the post noting Hercules Hydraulics.  Turns out they're only a 
few miles from me! Bruce Whitmore

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Stus-List 37/40 Hydraulics

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Bruce, my cylinders are A250 but there are different size A250s. Navtec lists 
all and you can use the dimensions online to identify what you have. I 
originally ordered the parts from Navtec or Southshore, can’t remember for 
sure, too close to 60 and they sent parts for an 89 37+. The cost was 
ridiculous for their seals, funny I can remember that part, so I sourced them 
myself this time. If you go to service your vang hydraulic yourself, beware 
there is a large spring inside that cylinder. 

Dennis, thanks I will add a 5/8 neoprene washer to the top of my seals. The 
hoses get baked from the sun too, it makes sense. 

Len


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Re: Stus-List Chesapeake Bay boat crash

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Holy crap!  Glad everyone’s ok.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Aug 18, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Heard this one on the VHF yesterday.  Relived to hear, but hard to believe, 
> no one was seriously injured.
> 
> Unfortunately the fishing company's name "Chesapeake Bay Charter Services" is 
> extremely close to our own business name "Chesapeake Bay Charters".  We 
> started in 2013.  They started in 2015.  Ugh! 
> 
> https://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/local/maryland/2018/08/17/chesapeake-bay-charter-sailboat-crash/1022589002/
>  
> 
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
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Re: Stus-List Throttle cable for 33-2

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Teleflex cables are readily available.  You just need to remove the old one
to determine the length.  While you're at it go ahead and replace the gear
shift too.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 10:33 AM Doug Welch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> My throttle cable is getting pretty sticky. Can anyone point me to the
> correct replacement?
>
> TIA,
> Doug
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Stus-List Chesapeake Bay boat crash

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Heard this one on the VHF yesterday.  Relived to hear, but hard to believe,
no one was seriously injured.

Unfortunately the fishing company's name "Chesapeake Bay Charter Services"
is extremely close to our own business name "Chesapeake Bay Charters".  We
started in 2013.  They started in 2015.  Ugh!

https://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/local/maryland/2018/08/17/chesapeake-bay-charter-sailboat-crash/1022589002/

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Throttle cable for 33-2

[James Hesketh via CnC-List]

Doug Welch wrote:

>
> My throttle cable is getting pretty sticky. Can anyone point me to the
> correct replacement?
>
> TIA,
> Doug
>



If it's just getting sticky and is not fraying perhaps some lubricant may
help:
https://www.amazon.com/Protect-All-Cable-Life-Motorcycles/dp/B0022UOYTE

Jim
C&C 26 Whisper
Miami, FL
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Stus-List Throttle cable for 33-2

[Doug Welch via CnC-List]

My throttle cable is getting pretty sticky. Can anyone point me to the correct 
replacement?
TIA,Doug

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Re: Stus-List 37/40 hydraulics

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

In my research on repairing Touche's adjuster, I saw a post attributing
failures of the top seal to UV exposure.  My simple solution was a neoprene
washer from Home Depot.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-5-8-in-x-2-in-Black-Neoprene-Washer-815888/204276369

I bought a 1/2 inch and a 5/8 inch for the 1/2 inch rod.  The 1/2 inch
sometimes rode up when the adjuster was eased so I settled on the 5/8 inch.

As for the repair, I went with Stix N Rig'n out of Kemah, TX.  Good, quick
service.  I had contacted Lew Townsend but he was leaving on a 3 week
cruise and couldn't fix it until after.  To his credit Lew texted me on his
return to see if I still needed the repair.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 10:34 PM Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> After all the talk about hydraulics last week I noticed both my backstay
> cylinders are leaking a little around the top seal.
>
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Re: Stus-List 37/40 hydraulics

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hello all,
I went looking at the seals noted below, and they appear to be much larger than 
the seals on my hydraulic backstay adjusters.  Would anyone know the part 
numbers for the smaller version adjusters that are on the later boats?  Mine is 
a 1994 37/40+.  

I thoroughly understand all of the recommendations to have the adjusters 
professionally repaired, but I'm big into self-sufficiency, and I'd rather try 
it first and see how it turns out.  I can always go the professional route if I 
don't get it right...
Thanks!  Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


  From: Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
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Cc: Len Mitchell 
 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 11:34 PM
 Subject: Stus-List 37/40 hydraulics
   
After all the talk about hydraulics last week I noticed both my backstay 
cylinders are leaking a little around the top seal. I have one cylinder working 
harder than the other too which is a problem. I put together the parts needed 
to rebuild them and thought someone may benefit from knowing the parts 
required. The backstay cylinders aren’t difficult. The boom vang cylinder is 
spring loaded and I will probably pay a shop when it needs a rebuild. (and I 
will warn them it’s spring loaded)
The parts come from Hercules and this is for 1 cylinder. 
1-P187-00.937-312B (large seal)1-ST-50 (sweep)1-P187-00.500 (small 
seal)2-568-215 (o-ring)
A couple of things I found useful last time was wrapping the shaft threads with 
electrical tape to ease sliding the new seals on and I made up a sacrificial 
stainless steel wire wrapped hose for the boom vang so I didn’t have to replace 
and fish a new 20+ foot hose under the ceiling liner when the sun damages the 
hose enough to leak. Navtec has a support section on their web page that 
details how to check and set relief valve pressures which should help those of 
you worried about over pressure of your backstay and transom hardware. 

Len MitchellCrazy Legs1989 37+Midland On. 
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