Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I checked those regs and they now permit HMPE rope lifelines. 
“Lifeline Specifications
Lifelines of stranded stainless steel wire
Lifelines of either:
stranded stainless steel wire
HMPE
The minimum diameter is specified in table 8 below
Stainless steel lifelines shall be uncoated and used without close-fitting 
sleeving, however, temporary sleeving may be fitted provided it is regularly 
removed for inspection.
A lanyard of synthetic rope may be used to secure lifelines provided the gap it 
closes does not exceed 100 mm (4”). This lanyard shall be replaced annually
All components of the lifeline enclosure system shall have a breaking strength 
no less than the lifeline
When HMPE is used, it shall be protected from chafe and spliced in accordance 
with the manufacturer’s recommended procedure.”___

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Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

World Sailings Offshore special regs require Stainless steel on all mono hull 
sailboats except for ‘Short races, close to shore in relatively warm or 
protected waters normally held in daylight.’Covered in Offshore Special 
Regulations. Our club uses these regs for all long distance races on Lake 
Ontario. 
www.sailing.org/tools/documents/WorldSailingOffshoreSpecialRegulations20182019v2-[24802].pdf



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lifeline information


After reviewing all of the (well thought out) entries on this thread, I am 
confused; are the Dyneema, or similar synthetic materials allowed or not 
allowed? If allowed, are there certain materials/brands which are preferred?  
Some which should be avoided?
What is the priority on a project such as thisassuming, I do not see rust 
stains dripping from my lifelines...
many thanks
Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sun, May 12, 2019 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?
For the bushings, look here:
https://www.heyco.com/Hole_Plugs/product.cfm?product=Snap-Bushings-1§ion=Hole_Plugs

or

https://www.mcmaster.com/locking-grommets


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Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Now general lifeline information

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 
 After reviewing all of the (well thought out) entries on this thread, I am 
confused; are the Dyneema, or similar synthetic materials allowed or not 
allowed? If allowed, are there certain materials/brands which are preferred?  
Some which should be avoided? 
What is the priority on a project such as thisassuming, I do not see rust 
stains dripping from my lifelines...
many thanks
Richard
 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
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Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Sun, May 12, 2019 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

For the bushings, look 
here:https://www.heyco.com/Hole_Plugs/product.cfm?product=Snap-Bushings-1§ion=Hole_Plugs
  
or 
https://www.mcmaster.com/locking-grommets  


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FOR SALE: 1981 C 32', 14K.  Ill health prevents me from doing the work needed 
and sailing again.  Sailed last summer.  Located in storage in New Bedford, MA. 
 If interested contact me at 508-542-9747.  Jesse A. Rieber___

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Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Our 35-2 has the vinyl coated lines (maybe original) which appear to be in
decent shape (the vinyl that is). I thought of removing the vinyl, but it
appears the wire beneath is quite thin (maybe 1/8" or 3/16") so would be
more likely to cut into fingers. I was planning to just use my old shrouds
for lifelines when I redo standing rigging...

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:09 AM Paul Fountain via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Klacko in Oakville  - send them your old ones and have them make new ones.
> When we did ours we eliminated the covering (which is now the offshore
> rule), which eliminated the rusting.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: May 12, 2019 8:10 PM
> To: C Stus List 
> Cc: syerd...@gmail.com
> Subject: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?
>
> Hi all - can anyone recommend a source for replacement lifelines for my
> ‘85 33-2?
> Original pvc covered ss wire looking a bit tired.  Top lifeline passes
> through a cast eye atop the stanchion, lower passes through (very tired)
> nylon bushings set into holes in stanchions.  Need bushings also.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!
>
> Dave 33-2.
>
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Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

If you race, please read on…

Here is a list of the 2016 Safety Equipment Requirements that apply to 
lifelines for both coastal and ocean racing. For full list of 2016 SERs, visit 
the US Sailing website at 
http://www.ussailing.org/safety/equipment-and-requirements/

A boat’s stanchion and pulpit bases shall be within the working deck. 
Stanchions used with High Modulus Polyethylene (HMPE) shall have rounded 
openings to reduce chafe.

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> On May 13, 2019, at 9:29 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> And I forgot to say, I had them made up by a local rigger.  Not much more 
> expensive than the wire, pelican hooks and related parts themselves.
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

And I forgot to say, I had them made up by a local rigger.  Not much more 
expensive than the wire, pelican hooks and related parts themselves.Sent from 
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Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

We ended up going with uncovered 7x19 wire with adjustable pelican hooks placed 
at each end.  We do not normally get to tie up on long (enough) docks where we 
are in Florida, so we can unhook bow or stern and put enough slack in anywhere 
along the side of the boat to make getting on & off the boat easy.The tube type 
turnbuckles on our previous covered lifelines had gotten so corroded from 
crevice corrosion that I actually broke the end off one of them trying to 
realease the locking nut.Just my $.02 worth,Bruce Whitmore1994 C 37/40+ 
"Astralis" Sent from Samsung tablet.
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Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

From Practical Sailor.  “International Sailing Association and Federation 
(ISAF) Offshore Special Regulations give considerable attention to lifeline 
design. For boats over 28 feet, they must be a minimum of 24 inches above the 
working deck and be made of uncoated wire or the equivalent high molecular 
weight polyethylene rope (HMPE) like Dyneema or Spectra. If socket-type bases 
are used, through-bolting, welding, or bonding is mandatory. Socket mounts with 
set screws or self-tappers have been known to work free. When using 
high-modulus fiber lifelines, the type of splice used should be what the 
manufacturer recommends; versions of the Brummel splice are often the preferred 
approach for placing an eye in single-braid line.”  See full article at 
https://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/37_21/features/long-term-test-evaluates-synthetic-lifelines_10875-1.html

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> On May 13, 2019, at 8:55 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Any polymeric lifeline like spectra, amsteel or dyneema is not a real 
> “lifeline” regardless of tensile strength. 
> 
>> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 9:16 AM Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> According to Sail Magazine article it’s less of a propeller today. 
>> “Ultra-High Molecular Weight Polyethylene, or HMPE, popularly known as 
>> Dyneema or Spectra, is some 15 times stronger than steel weight-for-weight; 
>> 5mm (3/16)Amsteel Blue has a tensile strength of 5,400lb. It’s also 
>> versatile, chafe-resistant, easy to splice and more resistant to UV 
>> degradation than many other fibers. Among its many other uses on board, it 
>> has become popular for lifeline replacement.”
>> Jerry 
>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sailmagazine.com/.amp/diy/know-how-replacing-lifelines
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree in general but has such high tech line solved its limited lifetime 
>>> under constant UV?
>>> 
>>> This problem led me to go with bare SS a few years ago instead of such high 
>>> tech line.
>>> 
>>> Charlie Nelson
>>> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
>>> Water Phantom
>>> 
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>>> On Sunday, May 12, 2019, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would replace with Dyneema, super-strong , greater strength for its 
>>> diameter than wire, easy to splice, lightweight, feels good to the touch 
>>> (doesn't cut into your back), easy to inspect, needs fewer fittings than 
>>> wire, low-stretch, doesn't chafe sheets and sails, costs less and looks 
>>> better.
>>> 
>>> See https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/know-how-replacing-lifelines.  Jerry
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

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Klacko in Oakville  - send them your old ones and have them make new ones. When 
we did ours we eliminated the covering (which is now the offshore rule), which 
eliminated the rusting.

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Sent: May 12, 2019 8:10 PM
To: C Stus List 
Cc: syerd...@gmail.com
Subject: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

Hi all - can anyone recommend a source for replacement lifelines for my ‘85 
33-2?
Original pvc covered ss wire looking a bit tired.  Top lifeline passes through 
a cast eye atop the stanchion, lower passes through (very tired) nylon bushings 
set into holes in stanchions.  Need bushings also.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Dave 33-2.

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Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Any polymeric lifeline like spectra, amsteel or dyneema is not a real
“lifeline” regardless of tensile strength.

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 9:16 AM Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> According to Sail Magazine article it’s less of a propeller today. “Ultra-High
> Molecular Weight Polyethylene, or HMPE, popularly known as Dyneema or
> Spectra, is some 15 times stronger than steel weight-for-weight; 5mm
> (3/16)Amsteel Blue has a tensile strength of 5,400lb. It’s also versatile,
> chafe-resistant, easy to splice and more resistant to UV degradation than
> many other fibers. Among its many other uses on board, it has become
> popular for lifeline replacement.”
> Jerry
> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sailmagazine.com/.amp/diy/know-how-replacing-lifelines
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 12, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Agree in general but has such high tech line solved its limited lifetime
> under constant UV?
>
> This problem led me to go with bare SS a few years ago instead of such
> high tech line.
>
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
> Water Phantom
>
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> On Sunday, May 12, 2019, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>
>
> I would replace with Dyneema, super-strong *, g*reater strength for its
> diameter than wire, easy to splice, lightweight, feels good to the touch 
> (doesn't
> cut into your back), easy to inspect, needs fewer fittings than wire,
> low-stretch, doesn't chafe sheets and sails, costs less and looks better.
>
> See https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/know-how-replacing-lifelines.  Jerry
>
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Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Still, check with your insurance company and/or an insurance surveyor.  They 
may not “allow” synthetic line and only approve uncovered stainless steel.

Neil
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


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According to Sail Magazine article it’s less of a propeller today. “Ultra-High 
Molecular Weight Polyethylene, or HMPE, popularly known as Dyneema or Spectra, 
is some 15 times stronger than steel weight-for-weight; 5mm (3/16)Amsteel Blue 
has a tensile strength of 5,400lb. It’s also versatile, chafe-resistant, easy 
to splice and more resistant to UV degradation than many other fibers. Among 
its many other uses on board, it has become popular for lifeline replacement.”
Jerry 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sailmagazine.com/.amp/diy/know-how-replacing-lifelines

Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Agree in general but has such high tech line solved its limited lifetime under 
constant UV?

This problem led me to go with bare SS a few years ago instead of such high 
tech line.

Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36XL/kcb
Water Phantom

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On Sunday, May 12, 2019, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I would replace with Dyneema, super-strong , greater strength for its diameter 
than wire, easy to splice, lightweight, feels good to the touch (doesn't cut 
into your back), easy to inspect, needs fewer fittings than wire, low-stretch, 
doesn't chafe sheets and sails, costs less and looks better.

See https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/know-how-replacing-lifelines.  Jerry

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[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

According to Sail Magazine article it’s less of a propeller today. “Ultra-High 
Molecular Weight Polyethylene, or HMPE, popularly known as Dyneema or Spectra, 
is some 15 times stronger than steel weight-for-weight; 5mm (3/16)Amsteel Blue 
has a tensile strength of 5,400lb. It’s also versatile, chafe-resistant, easy 
to splice and more resistant to UV degradation than many other fibers. Among 
its many other uses on board, it has become popular for lifeline replacement.”
Jerry 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sailmagazine.com/.amp/diy/know-how-replacing-lifelines

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> On May 12, 2019, at 10:02 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Agree in general but has such high tech line solved its limited lifetime 
> under constant UV?
> 
> This problem led me to go with bare SS a few years ago instead of such high 
> tech line.
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
> Water Phantom
> 
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
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> 
> On Sunday, May 12, 2019, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I would replace with Dyneema, super-strong , greater strength for its 
> diameter than wire, easy to splice,  lightweight, feels good to the touch 
> (doesn't cut into your back), easy to inspect, needs fewer fittings than 
> wire, low-stretch, doesn't chafe sheets and sails, costs less and looks 
> better.
> 
> See https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/know-how-replacing-lifelines.  Jerry
> 
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Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

I would try HMP, Genco or the rigging shoppe. For what its worth, I used a heat 
gun and a hooked drywall knife to remove the tired plastic and found perfect 
stainless underneath. But high tech rope was my plan B. 
Len

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[schiller via CnC-List]

 Jim,

Dyneema degrades with UV exposure and its life has become hard to 
predict.  The vinyl coating on Stainless Steel wire makes it difficult 
to inspect for corrosion.  I have been looking at replacing the 
lifelines on our 35-3.  I am still thinking about vinyl coated, but we 
are in fresh water and have a few less corrosion issues.  I may go 
uncoated, but if we do we will add cusioned covers around the cockpit.


I replaced the lifelines on our Redwing 35 (35-1) with vinyl coated.  
The lifelines that I took off were nearly 30 years old. The replacement 
lines were over 15 years old when we broke the boat.  They still looked new.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 5/13/2019 6:51 AM, James Hesketh via CnC-List wrote:



 Joe  wrote:

AFAIK dyneema is no longer legal for lifeline use. I used bare
stainless.


Question:
Joe is saying Dyneema is not legal for lifelines, and someone earlier 
stated vinyl covered stainless were no longer allowed (or some wording 
like that).


Who is making these rules? Is it racing regulations, boating laws 
somewhere, insurance regulations?

And what is the problem with the vinyl covered stainless and dyneema?

TIA
Jim Hesketh
Whisper C 26
Miami, FL

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Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

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On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 7:15 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dyneema was banned not because of strength issues, but because of issues
> with being compromised or cut all the way through by chafe.
>
> Thank you Joe
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Dyneema was banned not because of strength issues, but because of issues with 
being compromised or cut all the way through by chafe.
Joe
Coquina

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Typically it is the race associations but other associations such as ABYC set 
standards too.  Oddly enough there is little to ensure that the updated 
standards are continually met for the recreational cruiser.  Periodic insurance 
surveys or race inspections are about the only thing that would alert an owner 
to a "non-compliance".

Personally I try to be aware of the risks and make educated decisions.  As such 
I have installed dynema lifelines and have been very happy.  In my case I chose 
to up size the lines as large as possible and yielded a rated strength that is 
3 times that of the original wire.


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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[James Hesketh via CnC-List]

Typically it is the race associations but other associations such as ABYC
> set standards too.  Oddly enough there is little to ensure that the updated
> standards are continually met for the recreational cruiser.  Periodic
> insurance surveys or race inspections are about the only thing that would
> alert an owner to a "non-compliance".
>
> Personally I try to be aware of the risks and make educated decisions.  As
> such I have installed dynema lifelines and have been very happy.  In my
> case I chose to up size the lines as large as possible and yielded a rated
> strength that is 3 times that of the original wire.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Typically it is the race associations but other associations such as ABYC
set standards too.  Oddly enough there is little to ensure that the updated
standards are continually met for the recreational cruiser.  Periodic
insurance surveys or race inspections are about the only thing that would
alert an owner to a "non-compliance".

Personally I try to be aware of the risks and make educated decisions.  As
such I have installed dynema lifelines and have been very happy.  In my
case I chose to up size the lines as large as possible and yielded a rated
strength that is 3 times that of the original wire.

Josh Muckley
S /V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Mon, May 13, 2019, 6:52 AM James Hesketh via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>
>  Joe  wrote:
>
>> AFAIK dyneema is no longer legal for lifeline use. I used bare stainless.
>>
>
> Question:
> Joe is saying Dyneema is not legal for lifelines, and someone earlier
> stated vinyl covered stainless were no longer allowed (or some wording like
> that).
>
> Who is making these rules? Is it racing regulations, boating laws
> somewhere, insurance regulations?
> And what is the problem with the vinyl covered stainless and dyneema?
>
> TIA
> Jim Hesketh
> Whisper C 26
> Miami, FL
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

  The rule against vinyl coated lifelines is a racing regulation but could also be considered a recommendation any reasonable person would follow. There were too many instances where the stainless lifeline cable had degraded to the point of failure, with the corrosion hidden beneath the vinyl covering. This was particularly an issue at terminals.That ruling has been out for over 6 years now, probably longer.Ken H.From: James Hesketh via CnC-ListSent: Monday, May 13, 2019 7:52 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: James HeskethSubject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto? Joe  wrote:







AFAIK dyneema is no longer legal for lifeline use. I used bare stainless.
Question:Joe is saying Dyneema is not legal for lifelines, and someone earlier stated vinyl covered stainless were no longer allowed (or some wording like that).Who is making these rules? Is it racing regulations, boating laws somewhere, insurance regulations?And what is the problem with the vinyl covered stainless and dyneema?TIAJim HeskethWhisper C 26Miami, FL


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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[James Hesketh via CnC-List]

 Joe  wrote:

> AFAIK dyneema is no longer legal for lifeline use. I used bare stainless.
>

Question:
Joe is saying Dyneema is not legal for lifelines, and someone earlier
stated vinyl covered stainless were no longer allowed (or some wording like
that).

Who is making these rules? Is it racing regulations, boating laws
somewhere, insurance regulations?
And what is the problem with the vinyl covered stainless and dyneema?

TIA
Jim Hesketh
Whisper C 26
Miami, FL
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

AFAIK dyneema is no longer legal for lifeline use. I used bare stainless.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan Liles 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:08 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Alan Liles 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Source for replacement lifelines in Toronto?

I like my Dyneema lifelines for all the same reasons as Jerry, plus it’s easy 
to splice yourself thus making it cheaper still to install.
I read that chafe is an issue but it’s easy to check any chafe points and I’ve 
never found a problem. I don’t have any 250 lb crew on the rail, mostly, so 
there is that.
Cheers, Al
C 37/40, Elendil.
North Van, BC

On May 12, 2019, at 6:19 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I would replace with Dyneema, super-strong , greater strength for its diameter 
than wire, easy to splice, lightweight, feels good to the touch (doesn't cut 
into your back), easy to inspect, needs fewer fittings than wire, low-stretch, 
doesn't chafe sheets and sails, costs less and looks better.

See 
https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/know-how-replacing-lifelines.
  Jerry
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