Stus-List Re: Standing rigging replacement

[James Bibb via CnC-List]

James here in Juneau….I’m interested in this conversation as well…my deck 
repair may take me to the end of summer…if it does, I’m taking the mast down 
and re-rigging as well…so you’re proposing Dyform….good converation, thanks. 




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James Bibb
NorthWind Architects LLC
126 Seward St. Street
Juneau, Alaska. 99801

(907) 321-4265 cell
(907) 586-6150 ext 5 wk 

> On Jul 11, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That’s Dyform wire. And a few years ago (circa 2012?) I rerigged my 38 mkll 
> using it. A few thousandths bigger diameter than the #10 rod, a few hundred 
> pounds higher break strength, and about 100 pounds more weight aloft. But the 
> complete rerig was about the same as the cost to get the rod removed, sent to 
> Navtec for evaluation, and returned to NC if no replacing or reheading was 
> needed. I was a happy camper with more than a few buck left in my pocket.
>  
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 3:21 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: MICHAEL BRANNON 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Standing rigging replacement
>  
> You may want to consider getting an estimate using deform or even 1X19 wire 
> vs rod and see what that comes to.Just a thought.   
>  
> Mike 
>  
> Mike Brannon
> Virginia Lee 93295
> 1978 C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Jun 23, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
> Seems a worthy investment.
> 
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> From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 6:38:32 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: cenel...@aol.com 
> Subject: Stus-List Standing rigging replacement
>  
> Hey everyone--especially those on this list whose boats are approaching 'old 
> age!'
>  
> My 1995 C 36 XL/kcb is now 26 years old and has been in brackish water for 
> her entire life--which has been either at the dock or club racing in the NC 
> sounds where the air is mostly light and the heat is often oppressive. I am 
> faced with a decision on what, if anything, to do about her standing rigging, 
> which is all original rod except for the forestay which was replaced with 
> wire when I snapped the rod during a racing adventure--the headsail was 
> furled at the time so the rig did not come down!
>  
> A local, seemingly knowledgeable rigger, has recommend that all the standing 
> rigging be replaced after he did a rig inspection a few weeks ago. (He 
> aborted an attempt at tuning the rig when he realized that the threads on one 
> of the turn-buckles were disintegrating during his adjustments.) The cost to 
> replace with rod per his estimate is ~ $7500 plus some yard fees to un-step 
> and re-step the mast so I am looking at about $8k for the job, without 
> replacing some mast hardware (Tides track, steaming light, radio cable and 
> antenna, etc.) while the mast is down.
>  
> I realize that after 26 years, the rigging might need attention, that is why 
> I had him do the inspection. OTOH, I also understand that it is in his own 
> self-interest to replace the rig. The rod will be done in Rhode Island but he 
> will be doing all the other stuff. The old joke '...if the only tool you have 
> is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail..' comes to mind. I am also a 
> firm believer in the saying 'tools not rules...' so I am reluctant to 
> just replace something because of a 'recommendation' based on what often is 
> more tradition than fact.
>  
> Since many on the list have boats even older than mine, I am curious what the 
> list has to say about rod rigging replacement versus age, intended use and 
> cruising/racing waters involved. Of course I'd prefer the rig not come down 
> around my ears, even in the NC sounds, but I have no plans to take her 
> off-shore, except for possible short hops to deliver her to racing venues 
> (CRW). OTOH, the boat bucks involved are probably about 20% of the boat's 
> current value which I will unlikely recover when I sell her, new rigging or 
> not.
>  
> Thanks in advance,
>  
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
>  
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

A 35# spade or excel are both top notch anchors. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE 
DeviceDoug MountjoyPort Orchard YCPort Orchard,  WAsv Rebecca Leah1988 C LF39 
 Original message From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
 Date: 7/11/21  5:13 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Korbey Hunt  Subject: 
Stus-List Anchor 

Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for  is 
too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb CQR  
anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone have 
thoughts on the matter.  



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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

For more anchor testing than you can imagine, check out the SV Panope 
channel on youtube - Steve is an anchor testing fanatic. Holding, 
different bottoms, veer testing...


I'm running a 15kg Rocna with 65 ft of chain plus nylon.  So far so good...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2021-07-11 9:13 p.m., Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:


When I bought my first real keel boat in 1994 (my C 25 la Belle 
Aurore) I needed to ake classes to learn how to deal with those big 
green and red thingies in Delaware Bay – and tcommercial ship traffic 
that goes with them. My instructor in the Power Squadron was a 
somewhat grizzled old retired USCG Master Chief. He had a number of 
rules of thumb that have served me well over the years:


1 pound of anchor per foot of boat length

1 foot of chain per foot of boat length

1” of fender diameter per 4 feet of boat length

And so on.

For Imzadi (C 38 mkll) I have 65’ of high test chain and 200 feet of 
nylon for each of the two anchors on the bow. They are a 22KG Bruce 
and a 45 lb. CQR. (I don’t like Danforth anchors – every boat that has 
dragged in the harbor in my home town has had one. The just won’t 
reset when dislodged by reversing currents and wind that we have.) My 
25 has a 25 lb. CQR and 30 feet of chain – but it is a day sailor and 
not usually out in storms.


And I have additional (bigger) hurricane anchors for both of them.

I have Bruce and CQR anchors, but the cruisers that I see in my marina 
swear by Rocna and seem to be favoring the Mantus anchors lately. My 
guess is that would be my first choice if I updated my ground tackle.


BTW, the website for Fortress/Guardian anchors has some useful 
information on anticipated  loads based on wind speed and size/type of 
boat that are helpful in determining what size anchor, chain, nylon, 
and windlass you might need for your boat.


Rick Brass

ImzadiC 38 mk2 #47

la Belle AuroreC 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

*From:*Korbey Hunt via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, July 11, 2021 8:13 AM
*To:* Stus-List 
*Cc:* Korbey Hunt 
*Subject:* Stus-List Anchor

Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small 
for  is too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare 
stainless 35 lb CQR  anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a 
better choice?  Anyone have thoughts on the matter.


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Stus-List Re: New Foresail.

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

I had a good experience with them a few years ago. C 27 main.

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On Jul 11, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Brian Morrison via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 I recently used FX Sails. Delivery is expected within the next 2 weeks - 
fingers crossed.

Brian Morrison

On Jul 11, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Dale Hazlehurst via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Precision Sails has served the cruising community for many years with superb  
sales staff and high quality sails. They're located in Langford BC. You may 
want to review their site prior to making a decision. You can find them on 
youtube and facebook both, this will give you a pretty good overview of their 
product and customer support.

cheers
Dale


Precision Sails: New Sails Custom Designed for Your 
Sailboat

https://www.precisionsailloft.com



On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 11:31 PM DJ via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Yea, it can be quite a task getting pricing from the various sources.   I've 
done it before.

The first time, i used porpoise sails in Florida and got a used head sail and a 
new main.   I had no idea what i was doing and the prices were great.

The second time,  After a lot of quotes, i ended up using a local loft.  With a 
boat show discount, their price was very competitive.   Not as competitive as 
rolly tasker though.  However, they were quantum sails.   Very nice sails!

The last time i used precision sail loft.  Great pricing and very customizable 
with sail cloth options and added features.  I got a 135% for my 40 foot tartan 
for about $3300 delivered and i got the best level with all the added features 
like, added rows of stitching and reinforced everything!  The lowest level 
would have been just under $2000 IIRC.  I wouldn't hesitate to use them again.  
When i Googled the loft address it showed the same address for quantum sail 
loft.

More recently, i did some research on a main sail and got pricing from neil 
pryde  that was very competitive.  They made my existing main sail and when 
I'm ready I'll probably be going with them for the new main sail.  I have the 
Shafer boom furling system and they already have the design on file.  That 
might be why the price was so good.

It's really not an easy task and you should probably get into by getting a 
bunch of quotes and learn what the different prices represent.  Or, just get 
the cheapest.  I guess it depends on how much of a hurry you're in.  The boat 
shows are usually a good place to start.

Danny

On Jul 10, 2021 11:36 PM, Dave S via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
This year I  ordered a ‘performance cruising’ radial cut #2 Genoa from rolly 
tasker sails in Thailand - second sail from them, no regrets at all.

Dave
33-2

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On Jul 10, 2021, at 10:22 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Im looking online for a new foresail for my 1980  34 C  New prices run from 
$2 to $4,000.  Where do I start?

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Stus-List Re: Standing rigging replacement

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

That's Dyform wire. And a few years ago (circa 2012?) I rerigged my 38 mkll
using it. A few thousandths bigger diameter than the #10 rod, a few hundred
pounds higher break strength, and about 100 pounds more weight aloft. But
the complete rerig was about the same as the cost to get the rod removed,
sent to Navtec for evaluation, and returned to NC if no replacing or
reheading was needed. I was a happy camper with more than a few buck left in
my pocket.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

From: MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 3:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: MICHAEL BRANNON 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Standing rigging replacement

 

You may want to consider getting an estimate using deform or even 1X19 wire
vs rod and see what that comes to.Just a thought.   

 

Mike 

 

Mike Brannon

Virginia Lee 93295

1978 C 36 CB

Virginia Beach, VA

 

 

 





On Jun 23, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Seems a worthy investment.

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From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 6:38:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: cenel...@aol.com   mailto:cenel...@aol.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Standing rigging replacement 

 

Hey everyone--especially those on this list whose boats are approaching 'old
age!'

 

My 1995 C 36 XL/kcb is now 26 years old and has been in brackish water for
her entire life--which has been either at the dock or club racing in the NC
sounds where the air is mostly light and the heat is often oppressive. I am
faced with a decision on what, if anything, to do about her standing
rigging, which is all original rod except for the forestay which was
replaced with wire when I snapped the rod during a racing adventure--the
headsail was furled at the time so the rig did not come down!

 

A local, seemingly knowledgeable rigger, has recommend that all the standing
rigging be replaced after he did a rig inspection a few weeks ago. (He
aborted an attempt at tuning the rig when he realized that the threads on
one of the turn-buckles were disintegrating during his adjustments.) The
cost to replace with rod per his estimate is ~ $7500 plus some yard fees to
un-step and re-step the mast so I am looking at about $8k for the job,
without replacing some mast hardware (Tides track, steaming light, radio
cable and antenna, etc.) while the mast is down.

 

I realize that after 26 years, the rigging might need attention, that is why
I had him do the inspection. OTOH, I also understand that it is in his own
self-interest to replace the rig. The rod will be done in Rhode Island but
he will be doing all the other stuff. The old joke '...if the only tool you
have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail..' comes to mind. I am
also a firm believer in the saying 'tools not rules...' so I am
reluctant to just replace something because of a 'recommendation' based on
what often is more tradition than fact. 

 

Since many on the list have boats even older than mine, I am curious what
the list has to say about rod rigging replacement versus age, intended use
and cruising/racing waters involved. Of course I'd prefer the rig not come
down around my ears, even in the NC sounds, but I have no plans to take her
off-shore, except for possible short hops to deliver her to racing venues
(CRW). OTOH, the boat bucks involved are probably about 20% of the boat's
current value which I will unlikely recover when I sell her, new rigging or
not.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

1995 C 36 XL/kcb

 

 

 

 

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks -
Stu

 

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: Anchor

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

When I bought my first real keel boat in 1994 (my C 25 la Belle Aurore) I
needed to ake classes to learn how to deal with those big green and red
thingies in Delaware Bay - and tcommercial ship traffic that goes with them.
My instructor in the Power Squadron was a somewhat grizzled old retired USCG
Master Chief. He had a number of rules of thumb that have served me well
over the years:

1 pound of anchor per foot of boat length

1 foot of chain per foot of boat length

1" of fender diameter per 4 feet of boat length 

And so on.

 

For Imzadi (C 38 mkll) I have 65' of high test chain and 200 feet of nylon
for each of the two anchors on the bow. They are a 22KG Bruce and a 45 lb.
CQR. (I don't like Danforth anchors - every boat that has dragged in the
harbor in my home town has had one. The just won't reset when dislodged by
reversing currents and wind that we have.) My 25 has a 25 lb. CQR and 30
feet of chain - but it is a day sailor and not usually out in storms.

 

And I have additional (bigger) hurricane anchors for both of them.

 

I have Bruce and CQR anchors, but the cruisers that I see in my marina swear
by Rocna and seem to be favoring the Mantus anchors lately. My guess is that
would be my first choice if I updated my ground tackle.

 

BTW, the website for Fortress/Guardian anchors has some useful information
on anticipated  loads based on wind speed and size/type of boat that are
helpful in determining what size anchor, chain, nylon, and windlass you
might need for your boat.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 8:13 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Anchor

 

Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for
is too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb
CQR  anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone
have thoughts on the matter.  

 

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Stus-List Re: New Foresail.

[Brian Morrison via CnC-List]

I recently used FX Sails. Delivery is expected within the next 2 weeks - 
fingers crossed.

Brian Morrison

On Jul 11, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Dale Hazlehurst via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Precision Sails has served the cruising community for many years with superb  
sales staff and high quality sails. They're located in Langford BC. You may 
want to review their site prior to making a decision. You can find them on 
youtube and facebook both, this will give you a pretty good overview of their 
product and customer support.

cheers
Dale


Precision Sails: New Sails Custom Designed for Your 
Sailboat

https://www.precisionsailloft.com



On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 11:31 PM DJ via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Yea, it can be quite a task getting pricing from the various sources.   I've 
done it before.

The first time, i used porpoise sails in Florida and got a used head sail and a 
new main.   I had no idea what i was doing and the prices were great.

The second time,  After a lot of quotes, i ended up using a local loft.  With a 
boat show discount, their price was very competitive.   Not as competitive as 
rolly tasker though.  However, they were quantum sails.   Very nice sails!

The last time i used precision sail loft.  Great pricing and very customizable 
with sail cloth options and added features.  I got a 135% for my 40 foot tartan 
for about $3300 delivered and i got the best level with all the added features 
like, added rows of stitching and reinforced everything!  The lowest level 
would have been just under $2000 IIRC.  I wouldn't hesitate to use them again.  
When i Googled the loft address it showed the same address for quantum sail 
loft.

More recently, i did some research on a main sail and got pricing from neil 
pryde  that was very competitive.  They made my existing main sail and when 
I'm ready I'll probably be going with them for the new main sail.  I have the 
Shafer boom furling system and they already have the design on file.  That 
might be why the price was so good.

It's really not an easy task and you should probably get into by getting a 
bunch of quotes and learn what the different prices represent.  Or, just get 
the cheapest.  I guess it depends on how much of a hurry you're in.  The boat 
shows are usually a good place to start.

Danny

On Jul 10, 2021 11:36 PM, Dave S via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
This year I  ordered a ‘performance cruising’ radial cut #2 Genoa from rolly 
tasker sails in Thailand - second sail from them, no regrets at all.

Dave
33-2

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 10, 2021, at 10:22 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Im looking online for a new foresail for my 1980  34 C  New prices run from 
$2 to $4,000.  Where do I start?

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Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

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costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
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send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Radar Mount

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Korby;

The question your really need to ask yourself is how you will be using the 
radar? Is it for weather spotting when out sailing? Collision avoidance when 
offshore and range is most important? Or for entering harbor or negotiating in 
a restricted waters?

Radar on the mast puts the antenna up high and gives you maximum range. 
Desirable for collision avoidance on the ocean, particularly if you have 
something like a 32 mile range radar, and if you use the radar when sailing.. 
You can also see approaching weather a bit further away, though I suspect that 
is a pretty small benefit. The downside of the height is that the beam from the 
radar passes over anything relatively close to the boat. 

Newer style digital radars are really good at seeing smaller objects, like an 
anchored boat at night or channel markers and pilings in restricted waters. I 
use my radar mostly for entering harbor and navigating in a channel, so I'm 
looking for objects like pilings and ATONs that are 1/4 mile away in the dark 
or the fog - rather than trying to see a tanker on the ocean. 

That's why I mounted my radar antenna on a pole near the stern, with the 
antenna about 14 feet above water level so it shoots out above the dodger, 
bimini and boom - and above anyone standing on the deck. 

My mounting pole is made from schedule 40 stainless pipe, the alternative was 
schedule 80 aluminum. Given the looseness that we had to deal with due to wave 
action on the way to Bermuda a couple of years ago, I rally doubt that a mount 
could be made from PVC. The mounting base for my pole came from Edson, as did 
the top plate the antenna, and the backup VHF antenna, GPS antenna, and a 
couple of other things are mounted to. 

Rick Brass
Washington, NC

-Original Message-
From: Stus-List 
Sent: Jul 10, 2021 9:55 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Neil Gallagher , Korbey Hunt 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Radar Mount

I bought a mount from West marine.  I plan to mount it on an 8 ft 5" pvc pipe.  
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From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2021 2:58:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Neil Gallagher 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Radar Mount 

I'm quite interested in this question as well, I bought a Raymarine Quantum 2 
and am debating how to mount it.  Supposed to be safer regarding zapping 
people. 

Garhauer makes a nice looking stern-mount radar mast, it allows you to set the 
angle when on a tack, not a gimbal. But they told me they're delivery time is a 
least four weeks right now, can't get materials.  
https://www.garhauermarine.com/transom-hardware-accessories/radar-towers-accessories.html

Anyone build a radar tower as DIY?

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 7/10/2021 3:45 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List wrote:
I know  it is traditional to mount radar on the mast but I am thinking of 
mounting it on a post on the stern with an antenna farm.  Any thoughts on this 
option?
 
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costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
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costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu


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costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: New Foresail.

[Dale Hazlehurst via CnC-List]

Precision Sails has served the cruising community for many years with
superb  sales staff and high quality sails. They're located in Langford BC.
You may want to review their site prior to making a decision. You can find
them on youtube and facebook both, this will give you a pretty good
overview of their product and customer support.

cheers
Dale


Precision Sails: New Sails Custom Designed for Your Sailboat


https://www.precisionsailloft.com




On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 11:31 PM DJ via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Yea, it can be quite a task getting pricing from the various sources.
>  I've done it before.
>
> The first time, i used porpoise sails in Florida and got a used head sail
> and a new main.   I had no idea what i was doing and the prices were great.
>
> The second time,  After a lot of quotes, i ended up using a local loft.
> With a boat show discount, their price was very competitive.   Not as
> competitive as rolly tasker though.  However, they were quantum sails.
>  Very nice sails!
>
> The last time i used precision sail loft.  Great pricing and very
> customizable with sail cloth options and added features.  I got a 135% for
> my 40 foot tartan for about $3300 delivered and i got the best level with
> all the added features like, added rows of stitching and reinforced
> everything!  The lowest level would have been just under $2000 IIRC.  I
> wouldn't hesitate to use them again.  When i Googled the loft address it
> showed the same address for quantum sail loft.
>
> More recently, i did some research on a main sail and got pricing from
> neil pryde  that was very competitive.  They made my existing main sail
> and when I'm ready I'll probably be going with them for the new main sail.
> I have the Shafer boom furling system and they already have the design on
> file.  That might be why the price was so good.
>
> It's really not an easy task and you should probably get into by getting a
> bunch of quotes and learn what the different prices represent.  Or, just
> get the cheapest.  I guess it depends on how much of a hurry you're in.
> The boat shows are usually a good place to start.
>
> Danny
>
> On Jul 10, 2021 11:36 PM, Dave S via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> This year I  ordered a ‘performance cruising’ radial cut #2 Genoa from
> rolly tasker sails in Thailand - second sail from them, no regrets at all.
>
> Dave
> 33-2
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 10, 2021, at 10:22 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Im looking online for a new foresail for my 1980  34 C  New prices run
> from $2 to $4,000.  Where do I start?
>
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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

You would hold better with more chain, like 35-50 ft min of 5/16 for your
C 34 and scope is very important. So mark you rode and try to get a good
set and put out at least 4 times as much rode as depth but preferably 7
times. I have a C 35 and have used 35 pound CQR and now 15 Kg Bruce with
50 feet of chain. The Bruce has never slipped and has held strong in
conditions where I wished I were on a mooring. In one blow it held two
boats rafted together overnight but none of us slept well.

On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 9:13 AM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small
> for  is too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless
> 35 lb CQR  anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?
> Anyone have thoughts on the matter.
>
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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

Not a CQR fan, they have a tendency to drag. I have a 35 Bruce and 80 feet of 
chain. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2021, at 11:00 AM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Korby
> 
> On our 36 I use a 35 lb CQR and 25 feet of chain.   We are in The North East 
> in Nova Scotia.   It has worked well for years.  I am sure the newer anchors 
> may work better however I have to date not had the anchor drag.
> 
> If you have a spare don't bother to go out and buy a new one.
> 
> Adam Hayden
> C 36
> 
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.
> 
> From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021, 9:13 a.m.
> To: Stus-List
> Cc: Korbey Hunt
> Subject: Stus-List Anchor
> 
> Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for  
> is too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb 
> CQR  anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone have 
> thoughts on the matter.  
> 
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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Rockna w 100’ of chain plus 200’ rode.  In the Pacific northwest more chain 
seems to be the default.  I suspect the same goes for AK.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Jul 11, 2021, at 7:56 AM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks you all for the comments.
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> From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 6:51:12 AM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Korbey Hunt ; Adam Hayden 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Anchor
>  
> Korby
> 
> On our 36 I use a 35 lb CQR and 25 feet of chain.   We are in The North East 
> in Nova Scotia.   It has worked well for years.  I am sure the newer anchors 
> may work better however I have to date not had the anchor drag.
> 
> If you have a spare don't bother to go out and buy a new one.
> 
> Adam Hayden
> C 36
> 
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.
> 
> From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021, 9:13 a.m.
> To: Stus-List
> Cc: Korbey Hunt
> Subject: Stus-List Anchor
> 
> Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for  
> is too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb 
> CQR  anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone have 
> thoughts on the matter.  
> 
> Get Outlook for Android
> 
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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Thanks you all for the comments.
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From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 6:51:12 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt ; Adam Hayden 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Anchor

Korby

On our 36 I use a 35 lb CQR and 25 feet of chain.   We are in The North East in 
Nova Scotia.   It has worked well for years.  I am sure the newer anchors may 
work better however I have to date not had the anchor drag.

If you have a spare don't bother to go out and buy a new one.

Adam Hayden
C 36

Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.


From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021, 9:13 a.m.
To: Stus-List
Cc: Korbey Hunt
Subject: Stus-List Anchor

Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for  is 
too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb CQR  
anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone have 
thoughts on the matter.

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Android

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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Korby

On our 36 I use a 35 lb CQR and 25 feet of chain.   We are in The North East in 
Nova Scotia.   It has worked well for years.  I am sure the newer anchors may 
work better however I have to date not had the anchor drag.

If you have a spare don't bother to go out and buy a new one.

Adam Hayden
C 36

Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.


From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021, 9:13 a.m.
To: Stus-List
Cc: Korbey Hunt
Subject: Stus-List Anchor

Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for  is 
too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb CQR  
anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone have 
thoughts on the matter.

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Stus-List Re: New Foresail.

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Another endorsement here for John. In a previous life I raced against him. 
Knows his way around boats and sails. Knowledgeable and friendly as I recall.

Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
1998 Mast & Mallet Thomas Point 34 - Katana
Reedville, VA


> On Jul 11, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a boatload of Jenkins. Good man, good sailor. He makes most of the Log 
> Canoe sails and those for the Star fleet in the Mid-Atlantic. Recommended – 
> we’ll see how they work this year, first race today.
>  
> Gary
>  
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List  > 
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 8:00 AM
> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Andrew Burton  >
> Subject: Stus-List Re: New Foresail.
>  
> I just ordered a new main from Jenkins Sails in Easton, MD. I chose to go 
> with GPL Lite Skin fabric for its longevity, ability to hold its shape, ease 
> of handling (much lighter than Dacron), and abrasion resistance. 
> Great price; and Jenkins came highly recommended; he was the sailmaker at the 
> naval academy for many years.
> Tell him I told you to call.
> Andy
> Baltic 47 Masquerade
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA 02840
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
> 
> 
> phone  +401 965 5260
>  
>  
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 11:36 PM Dave S via CnC-List  > wrote:
>> This year I  ordered a ‘performance cruising’ radial cut #2 Genoa from rolly 
>> tasker sails in Thailand - second sail from them, no regrets at all.
>>  
>> Dave 
>> 33-2
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2021, at 10:22 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
>>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Im looking online for a new foresail for my 1980  34 C  New prices run 
>>> from $2 to $4,000.  Where do I start?
>>>  
>>> Get Outlook for Android 
>>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>>>   Thanks - Stu
>> 
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>>   Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I traded in my CQR for a Manson Supreme a couple of years ago and have been
very pleased with it after being a CQR guy for decades.
Andy
Baltic 47 Masquerade

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

phone  +401 965 5260


On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 8:13 AM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small
> for  is too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless
> 35 lb CQR  anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?
> Anyone have thoughts on the matter.
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: New Foresail.

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I have a boatload of Jenkins. Good man, good sailor. He makes most of the Log 
Canoe sails and those for the Star fleet in the Mid-Atlantic. Recommended – 
we’ll see how they work this year, first race today.

 

Gary

 

From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 8:00 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Stus-List Re: New Foresail.

 

I just ordered a new main from Jenkins Sails in Easton, MD. I chose to go with 
GPL Lite Skin fabric for its longevity, ability to hold its shape, ease of 
handling (much lighter than Dacron), and abrasion resistance. 

Great price; and Jenkins came highly recommended; he was the sailmaker at the 
naval academy for many years.

Tell him I told you to call.

Andy

Baltic 47 Masquerade




Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/


phone  +401 965 5260

 

 

On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 11:36 PM Dave S via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

This year I  ordered a ‘performance cruising’ radial cut #2 Genoa from rolly 
tasker sails in Thailand - second sail from them, no regrets at all.

 

Dave 

33-2

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 10, 2021, at 10:22 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Im looking online for a new foresail for my 1980  34 C  New prices run from 
$2 to $4,000.  Where do I start?

 

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Stus-List Anchor

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for  is 
too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb CQR  
anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone have 
thoughts on the matter.

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Stus-List Re: New Foresail.

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I just ordered a new main from Jenkins Sails in Easton, MD. I chose to go
with GPL Lite Skin fabric for its longevity, ability to hold its shape,
ease of handling (much lighter than Dacron), and abrasion resistance.
Great price; and Jenkins came highly recommended; he was the sailmaker at
the naval academy for many years.
Tell him I told you to call.
Andy
Baltic 47 Masquerade

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

phone  +401 965 5260


On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 11:36 PM Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> This year I  ordered a ‘performance cruising’ radial cut #2 Genoa from
> rolly tasker sails in Thailand - second sail from them, no regrets at all.
>
> Dave
> 33-2
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 10, 2021, at 10:22 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Im looking online for a new foresail for my 1980  34 C  New prices run
> from $2 to $4,000.  Where do I start?
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
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Stus-List Re: New Foresail.

[DJ via CnC-List]

Yea, it can be quite a task getting pricing from the various sources.   I've done it before. The first time, i used porpoise sails in Florida and got a used head sail and a new main.   I had no idea what i was doing and the prices were great. The second time,  After a lot of quotes, i ended up using a local loft.  With a boat show discount, their price was very competitive.   Not as competitive as rolly tasker though.  However, they were quantum sails.   Very nice sails! The last time i used precision sail loft.  Great pricing and very customizable with sail cloth options and added features.  I got a 135% for my 40 foot tartan for about $3300 delivered and i got the best level with all the added features like, added rows of stitching and reinforced everything!  The lowest level would have been just under $2000 IIRC.  I wouldn't hesitate to use them again.  When i Googled the loft address it showed the same address for quantum sail loft. More recently, i did some research on a main sail and got pricing from neil pryde  that was very competitive.  They made my existing main sail and when I'm ready I'll probably be going with them for the new main sail.  I have the Shafer boom furling system and they already have the design on file.  That might be why the price was so good. It's really not an easy task and you should probably get into by getting a bunch of quotes and learn what the different prices represent.  Or, just get the cheapest.  I guess it depends on how much of a hurry you're in.  The boat shows are usually a good place to start.DannyOn Jul 10, 2021 11:36 PM, Dave S via CnC-List  wrote:This year I  ordered a ‘performance cruising’ radial cut #2 Genoa from rolly tasker sails in Thailand - second sail from them, no regrets at all.Dave 33-2Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 10, 2021, at 10:22 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List  wrote:





Im looking online for a new foresail for my 1980  34 C  New prices run from $2 to $4,000.  Where do I start?



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