Stus-List 35 Mk 1 for sale near Annapolis
I have decided to sell my 1973 C & C 35 Mk1. It has a Universal M-3 20 B diesel which was installed last year and has 18.5 hours, and a main and Genoa from Bacons which I believe are about 4 years old and have had virtually no use. Also a new Simrad RS 35 VHF with AIS, Dragonfly GPS, older Cruisin Cool portable air conditioner and Pura San treatment system. $17,000. The boat is in the water in Galesville. Please let me know if any interest. Sent from Mail for Windows
Stus-List Re: Engine not turning over
Same thing happened on Alianna a few years back. I have a Universal M4-30. There was a fuse in line before the starter. I replaced it. Also there is a spade connection at the starter. Check that connection out. I also replaced my push button starter but looking back I don't think it was the problem. On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 10:07 AM David Knecht via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Last night, out of the blue, my engine would not turn over after a race. > Nothing at all when I push the start button. I ran the engine before the > race and all was fine and have had no issues at all this year. > Fortunately, I was able to sail the short distance to the mooring without a > problem. I will be going out to the boat later to try to fix the problem > and wanted to see if anyone had thoughts on the problem from personal > experience. > > Plenty of power- batteries fully charged. I tried bridging the two > batteries just to be sure and still nothing happens. > Key switch on I can hear the fuel pump ticking over. > I measured 12V across the start button poles, which goes to zero when > pressed and my recollection is that is normal the way it is wired with the > glow plug button. I have not yet measured at the starter, as that is a > real PITA to get to. > > Everything had been working fine up until that incident. The only thing > that happened during the race, (and I don’t think relevant) is that the > genoa sheet got wrapped around the engine stop pull knob at one point. I > checked and the cable and stop look fine, and the engine should still turn > over even if it were pulled, is my understanding. It just should not > start. > > So I am thinking either engine ground wire or starter and plan to clean > both and try again. Any thoughts welcome. Thanks- Dave > > S/V Aries > 1990 C 34+ > New London, CT > > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile
Stus-List Re: Engine not turning over
Getting a little off subject, but I was really amused when Rob Ball commented about his 34, when he realized he would have to remove his engine to fix something, and there was only 4 inches between the top of the engine and the bottom of the cockpit floor - , I think, the story is getting fuzzy now, but the point is that if he and other Naval Architects had owned or had to work on some of these boats early on, they might have been more user friendly! Bill Coleman Entrada Erie PA On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 10:20 AM Novabraid via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Marek, > > The vast majority of issues relating to maintenance and especially > replacement of components are caused by “efficiencies” in the build > process. Specifically regarding the order in which the hull, interior > structure, headliner, and subsequently the deck are assembled. Until > you’ve seen a “modern” boat, especially a powerboat, with no deck or > interior pan installed, you have no idea of how much “stuff” is hidden in > the bilge or sandwiched between layers of assembled structures. Truth be > told, accessing wire connections after 40 years of service pales in > comparison to the hours saved in assembly and it makes little difference to > the buyer at the time of purchase of the boat when new. And unlike the > automotive world where each car model has a comprehensive service manual, > actually working and fixing boats has never been a builder priority, and > many repair techniques are discovered by trial and error. > > Many of the bits and pieces of the interior that are screwed in place can > be made inaccessible after the deck is installed. I cite my refrigerator > lid that uses a piano style hinge to open. After 38 years, the screws > holding the hinge lid have pulled out from the countertop; however you cant > access the screw heads to replace them because the extent of the opening is > limited by the overhang of the deck in the galley. Try removing a factory > installed Raritan water heater that’s bigger than the opening in the > lazarette. Easy, just remove the entire diesel. Of course it was > installed at the factory with the deck off. > > That’s why forums such as these are so darn valuable. Thank you Stu! > > Chuck Gilchrest > > S/V Half Magic > > 1983 Landfall 35 > > Pandanaram, MA > > *From:* Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, July 8, 2022 9:53 AM > *To:* Stus-List > *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Engine not turning over > > > > Is this an ABYC rule to hide all the important electrical connections in > places that are completely inaccessible for a normal person? > > > > It seems that way... > > > > Marek > > 1994 C270 Legato > > Ottawa ON > > > > > > > > Sent from my Android-based can on a string > > > > >
Stus-List Re: Engine not turning over
Yes. There's a super secret ABYC committee on that. They meet at midnight every other full moon under a magnolia tree in a hidden swamp near Dulac, Louisiana. -- Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 8:53 AM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Is this an ABYC rule to hide all the important electrical connections in > places that are completely inaccessible for a normal person? > > It seems that way... > > Marek > 1994 C270 Legato > Ottawa ON > > > > Sent from my Android-based can on a string > > >
Stus-List Re: Engine not turning over
Marek, The vast majority of issues relating to maintenance and especially replacement of components are caused by “efficiencies” in the build process. Specifically regarding the order in which the hull, interior structure, headliner, and subsequently the deck are assembled. Until you’ve seen a “modern” boat, especially a powerboat, with no deck or interior pan installed, you have no idea of how much “stuff” is hidden in the bilge or sandwiched between layers of assembled structures. Truth be told, accessing wire connections after 40 years of service pales in comparison to the hours saved in assembly and it makes little difference to the buyer at the time of purchase of the boat when new. And unlike the automotive world where each car model has a comprehensive service manual, actually working and fixing boats has never been a builder priority, and many repair techniques are discovered by trial and error. Many of the bits and pieces of the interior that are screwed in place can be made inaccessible after the deck is installed. I cite my refrigerator lid that uses a piano style hinge to open. After 38 years, the screws holding the hinge lid have pulled out from the countertop; however you cant access the screw heads to replace them because the extent of the opening is limited by the overhang of the deck in the galley. Try removing a factory installed Raritan water heater that’s bigger than the opening in the lazarette. Easy, just remove the entire diesel. Of course it was installed at the factory with the deck off. That’s why forums such as these are so darn valuable. Thank you Stu! Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 Landfall 35 Pandanaram, MA From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:53 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Marek Dziedzic Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine not turning over Is this an ABYC rule to hide all the important electrical connections in places that are completely inaccessible for a normal person? It seems that way... Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa ON Sent from my Android-based can on a string
Stus-List Re: Engine not turning over
Is this an ABYC rule to hide all the important electrical connections in places that are completely inaccessible for a normal person? It seems that way... Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa ON Sent from my Android-based can on a string
Stus-List Re: Engine not turning over
While you are at this, you might check the engine ground stud for corrosion - disassemble, clean it and the terminals up, protect with dielectric grease, reassemble. Not a huge job. The harness and a bunch of other stuff grounds at this point and unreliable or high resistance grounds can cause problems that can be easily misunderstood. (wasting time and money in resolution-BTDT) Dave On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 at 11:51, David Knecht via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thanks for the thoughts. Chris wins today’s prize. We got it working > again today. It seemed to be the starter button. When I shorted the > contacts it worked and after cleaning those contacts, all seems to be > well. I am considering replacing that 20 year old switch along with the > glow plug button and key switch on that panel. Anything mechanical and > exposed like that I presume to have a limited lifetime and those are 30 > years old. Dave > > S/V Aries > 1990 C 34+ > New London, CT > > > > > On Jul 7, 2022, at 9:27 AM, Chris Riedinger > wrote: > > Sounds like the start button or perhaps neutral safety -did you jiggle the > shifter? > > > > The stop knob wouldn't prevent the motor from turning over, but good on > you for honesty > > > > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 6:08 AM David Knecht via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Last night, out of the blue, my engine would not turn over after a race. >> Nothing at all when I push the start button. I ran the engine before the >> race and all was fine and have had no issues at all this year. >> Fortunately, I was able to sail the short distance to the mooring without a >> problem. I will be going out to the boat later to try to fix the problem >> and wanted to see if anyone had thoughts on the problem from personal >> experience. >> >> Plenty of power- batteries fully charged. I tried bridging the two >> batteries just to be sure and still nothing happens. >> Key switch on I can hear the fuel pump ticking over. >> I measured 12V across the start button poles, which goes to zero when >> pressed and my recollection is that is normal the way it is wired with the >> glow plug button. I have not yet measured at the starter, as that is a >> real PITA to get to. >> >> Everything had been working fine up until that incident. The only thing >> that happened during the race, (and I don’t think relevant) is that the >> genoa sheet got wrapped around the engine stop pull knob at one point. I >> checked and the cable and stop look fine, and the engine should still turn >> over even if it were pulled, is my understanding. It just should not >> start. >> >> So I am thinking either engine ground wire or starter and plan to clean >> both and try again. Any thoughts welcome. Thanks- Dave >> >> S/V Aries >> 1990 C 34+ >> New London, CT >> >> >> > > >
