Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

They did hose you, the whole point is the fittings get reused!

Joe Della Barba


From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 2:08 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

Well, it was more than 50' to be sure, probably not a fair comparison, Maybe if 
I had given them the old pieces they could have re-used the old eyes, but they 
didn't ask for them, and I wanted to keep the old pieces. The Dyneema is 
covered in a black tube all the way around the eyes to keep the sun off it, 
which is nice.  I met nice fellow at the boat show from BSI, I think, I thought 
I could get it through him, but he eventually referred me down the line finally 
to the Rigging Co in Annapolis, who probably tacked on another 40%.  And all 
this after Annapolis Rigging ripped me off for 1800 bucks earlier, so the whole 
thing is a rather sore subject.

Bill Coleman
Erie PA Entrada

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 11:48 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
The deal with Dyneema is supposedly it is only expensive ONCE, the fittings can 
be reused and the actual Dyneema replaced cheaply.
It should not have cost much at all to just replace the line, was it really 
$4,000 for 50 feet of it


Joe Della Barba

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 11:23 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

I think you will find it is a fair amount more $$, for little gain. Probably 
have to change a lot of your attachments as well.
I replaced my backstay (split) with Dyneema, only because that's what it was 
originally. After spending 4 grand on that, I wonder why I did it for the 
little weight savings, when I could have replaced it with rod myself for next 
to nothing.

Bill Coleman
Erie PA Entrada

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:51 AM Karl Erickson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Has anyone looked into replacing their standing rigging with Dyneema? I am in 
the process of replacing my lifelines with dyneema and have heard of boat 
owners that have replaced their standing rigging with it. Just curious.

Karl Erickson
1978 C 34
SeaBatical
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Well, it was more than 50' to be sure, probably not a fair comparison,
Maybe if I had given them the old pieces they could have re-used the old
eyes, but they didn't ask for them, and I wanted to keep the old pieces.
The Dyneema is covered in a black tube all the way around the eyes to keep
the sun off it, which is nice.  I met nice fellow at the boat show from
BSI, I think, I thought I could get it through him, but he eventually
referred me down the line finally to the Rigging Co in Annapolis, who
probably tacked on another 40%.  And all this after Annapolis Rigging
ripped me off for 1800 bucks earlier, so the whole thing is a rather sore
subject.


Bill Coleman

Erie PA Entrada

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 11:48 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The deal with Dyneema is supposedly it is only expensive ONCE, the
> fittings can be reused and the actual Dyneema replaced cheaply.
>
> It should not have cost much at all to just replace the line, was it
> really $4,000 for 50 feet of it
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2024 11:23 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging
>
>
>
> I think you will find it is a fair amount more $$, for little gain.
> Probably have to change a lot of your attachments as well.
>
> I replaced my backstay (split) with Dyneema, only because that's what it
> was originally. After spending 4 grand on that, I wonder why I did it for
> the little weight savings, when I could have replaced it with rod myself
> for next to nothing.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Erie PA Entrada
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:51 AM Karl Erickson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone looked into replacing their standing rigging with Dyneema? I am
> in the process of replacing my lifelines with dyneema and have heard of
> boat owners that have replaced their standing rigging with it. Just curious.
>
>
>
> Karl Erickson
>
> 1978 C 34
>
> SeaBatical
>
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>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Ryan Anderson via CnC-List]

I looked into it this winter but opted for rod rigging (with forestay and
backstay switched to wire) because of a few reasons.

1) Resale value. Less people are familiar with synthetic rigging so it will
probably discourage buyers.
2) shorter life span

But there were some appealing characteristics:
1) got slightly cheeper quote on cost (not cheep enough to compensate for
resale issue)
2) can be inspected easily by me (huge plus)
3) in an emergency situation theoretically could be spliced and repaired at
sea.
4) less weight aloft, but for a mostly cruising boat this didn’t matter to
me.


On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 8:48 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The deal with Dyneema is supposedly it is only expensive ONCE, the
> fittings can be reused and the actual Dyneema replaced cheaply.
>
> It should not have cost much at all to just replace the line, was it
> really $4,000 for 50 feet of it
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2024 11:23 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging
>
>
>
> I think you will find it is a fair amount more $$, for little gain.
> Probably have to change a lot of your attachments as well.
>
> I replaced my backstay (split) with Dyneema, only because that's what it
> was originally. After spending 4 grand on that, I wonder why I did it for
> the little weight savings, when I could have replaced it with rod myself
> for next to nothing.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Erie PA Entrada
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:51 AM Karl Erickson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone looked into replacing their standing rigging with Dyneema? I am
> in the process of replacing my lifelines with dyneema and have heard of
> boat owners that have replaced their standing rigging with it. Just curious.
>
>
>
> Karl Erickson
>
> 1978 C 34
>
> SeaBatical
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

The best Dynemma rigging is found here:

https://www.colligomarine.com/products/standing-rigging

It is not the standard SK75 or 099 stuff.  It is heat set to
eliminate creep.

Joel

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 11:49 AM John McCrea via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I had my rigging inspected last year, and the rod was fine. What was not
> was the wire headstay. I had that replaced.
>
>
>
> John McCrea
>
> 1979 36-1
>
> Talisman
>
> Mystic, CT
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2024 11:23 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging
>
>
>
> I think you will find it is a fair amount more $$, for little gain.
> Probably have to change a lot of your attachments as well.
>
> I replaced my backstay (split) with Dyneema, only because that's what it
> was originally. After spending 4 grand on that, I wonder why I did it for
> the little weight savings, when I could have replaced it with rod myself
> for next to nothing.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Erie PA Entrada
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:51 AM Karl Erickson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone looked into replacing their standing rigging with Dyneema? I am
> in the process of replacing my lifelines with dyneema and have heard of
> boat owners that have replaced their standing rigging with it. Just curious.
>
>
>
> Karl Erickson
>
> 1978 C 34
>
> SeaBatical
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
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> Stu
>


-- 
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

I had my rigging inspected last year, and the rod was fine. What was not was 
the wire headstay. I had that replaced. 

 

John McCrea

1979 36-1

Talisman

Mystic, CT

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 11:23 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

 

I think you will find it is a fair amount more $$, for little gain. Probably 
have to change a lot of your attachments as well.

I replaced my backstay (split) with Dyneema, only because that's what it was 
originally. After spending 4 grand on that, I wonder why I did it for the 
little weight savings, when I could have replaced it with rod myself for next 
to nothing.

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA Entrada

 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:51 AM Karl Erickson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Has anyone looked into replacing their standing rigging with Dyneema? I am in 
the process of replacing my lifelines with dyneema and have heard of boat 
owners that have replaced their standing rigging with it. Just curious.

 

Karl Erickson

1978 C 34 

SeaBatical

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The deal with Dyneema is supposedly it is only expensive ONCE, the fittings can 
be reused and the actual Dyneema replaced cheaply.
It should not have cost much at all to just replace the line, was it really 
$4,000 for 50 feet of it


Joe Della Barba

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 11:23 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

I think you will find it is a fair amount more $$, for little gain. Probably 
have to change a lot of your attachments as well.
I replaced my backstay (split) with Dyneema, only because that's what it was 
originally. After spending 4 grand on that, I wonder why I did it for the 
little weight savings, when I could have replaced it with rod myself for next 
to nothing.

Bill Coleman
Erie PA Entrada

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:51 AM Karl Erickson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Has anyone looked into replacing their standing rigging with Dyneema? I am in 
the process of replacing my lifelines with dyneema and have heard of boat 
owners that have replaced their standing rigging with it. Just curious.

Karl Erickson
1978 C 34
SeaBatical
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I think you will find it is a fair amount more $$, for little gain.
Probably have to change a lot of your attachments as well.
I replaced my backstay (split) with Dyneema, only because that's what it
was originally. After spending 4 grand on that, I wonder why I did it for
the little weight savings, when I could have replaced it with rod myself
for next to nothing.

Bill Coleman
Erie PA Entrada

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:51 AM Karl Erickson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Has anyone looked into replacing their standing rigging with Dyneema? I am
> in the process of replacing my lifelines with dyneema and have heard of
> boat owners that have replaced their standing rigging with it. Just curious.
>
> Karl Erickson
> 1978 C 34
> SeaBatical
>
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Stus-List Re: Standing Rigging

[sail51--- via CnC-List]

Thanks to all for responding to my question. Lots of great input that’s very helpful and greatly appreciated  From: cenelson--- via CnC-List Date: Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 9:02 AMTo: Stus-List Cc: sai...@comcast.net , cenel...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List Re: Standing RiggingI replaced it on my 1995 36 XL/kcb a few years ago. IIRC, total material and labor and shipping was about $7000. This included the rigging and removal of old and installation of new.  Charlie NelsonSent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Sunday, April 14, 2024, 8:29 AM, sail51--- via CnC-List  wrote:Does anyone have recent experience with replacing standing rigging on a C 40 or 41 that could provide a rough estimate of cost to do and how was cost broken down between materials and installation? Thks  Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Karl Erickson via CnC-List]

Has anyone looked into replacing their standing rigging with Dyneema? I am in 
the process of replacing my lifelines with dyneema and have heard of boat 
owners that have replaced their standing rigging with it. Just curious.

Karl Erickson
1978 C 34 
SeaBatical

> On Apr 15, 2024, at 8:33 AM, Lloyd Lippe via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I would like to chime in on this.
> My 1985 Landfall 39 with the original rigging survived hurricane Dorian in 
> 2019 here in the Bahamaswhile on a mooring.
> Of the approx. 75 boats in this harbor at the time with winds 220 gusting 240 
> ... my rigging held and was one of only 2 sailing vessels that did not get 
> dis masted...and one of only 5 vessels that was not destroyed.
> I hope this lends some support to the conversation.
> Lloyd Lippe
> Finesse
> Man O War Cay Abacos
> 
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 9:02 AM cenelson--- via CnC-List  > wrote:
>> Sad but true—my local rigger never looked either and no survey was involved.
>> 
>> Mostly folklore IMHO (the necessity of replacing the rigging after 20-30 
>> years)
>> but liability for their work(company, individual, etc.) is likely a large 
>> part of reasons for replacing it.
>> 
>> I am sure I stressed mine a few times while racing inshore for many years. 
>> With no plans to ever go offshore, I probably could have done nothing 
>> without serious consequences. 
>> 
>> Nonetheless I didn’t want to take the chances—folklore or not!
>> 
>> Charlie Nelson
>> Water Phantom
>> 1996 C 36 XL/Kobe
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024, 8:01 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I so need to move – that would probably cost $25,000 around here!
>> 
>> Also I found out the rigging shops I called for a survey on that C 40 I 
>> looked at would all fail the rigging without even seeing it due to age even 
>> if it looked brand new. They were pretty sure they couldn’t do a proper look 
>> without doing enough damage to make replacement needed after the survey even 
>> if it wasn’t before ☹
>> 
>>  
>> Joe
>> 
>> Coquina
>> 
>>  
>> From: cenelson--- via CnC-List > > 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 9:02 AM
>> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Cc: sai...@comcast.net ; cenel...@aol.com 
>> 
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Standing Rigging
>> 
>>  
>> I replaced it on my 1995 36 XL/kcb a few years ago. IIRC, total material and 
>> labor and shipping was about $7000.
>> 
>>  
>> This included the rigging and removal of old and installation of new.
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Charlie Nelson
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS 
>> 
>>  
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024, 8:29 AM, sail51--- via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone have recent experience with replacing standing rigging on a C 
>> 40 or 41 that could provide a rough estimate of cost to do and how was cost 
>> broken down between materials and installation?
>> 
>>  
>> Thks
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and 
>> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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>> Thanks for your help.
>> Stu
>> 
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[Lloyd Lippe via CnC-List]

I would like to chime in on this.
My 1985 Landfall 39 with the original rigging survived hurricane Dorian in
2019 here in the Bahamaswhile on a mooring.
Of the approx. 75 boats in this harbor at the time with winds 220 gusting
240 ... my rigging held and was one of only 2 sailing vessels that did not
get dis masted...and one of only 5 vessels that was not destroyed.
I hope this lends some support to the conversation.
Lloyd Lippe
Finesse
Man O War Cay Abacos

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 9:02 AM cenelson--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sad but true—my local rigger never looked either and no survey was
> involved.
>
> Mostly folklore IMHO (the necessity of replacing the rigging after 20-30
> years)
> but liability for their work(company, individual, etc.) is likely a large
> part of reasons for replacing it.
>
> I am sure I stressed mine a few times while racing inshore for many years.
> With no plans to ever go offshore, I probably could have done nothing
> without serious consequences.
>
> Nonetheless I didn’t want to take the chances—folklore or not!
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1996 C 36 XL/Kobe
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> 
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024, 8:01 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I so need to move – that would probably cost $25,000 around here!
>
> Also I found out the rigging shops I called for a survey on that C 40 I
> looked at would all fail the rigging without even seeing it due to age even
> if it looked brand new. They were pretty sure they couldn’t do a proper
> look without doing enough damage to make replacement needed after the
> survey even if it wasn’t before ☹
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* cenelson--- via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 14, 2024 9:02 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* sai...@comcast.net; cenel...@aol.com
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Standing Rigging
>
>
>
> I replaced it on my 1995 36 XL/kcb a few years ago. IIRC, total material
> and labor and shipping was about $7000.
>
>
>
> This included the rigging and removal of old and installation of new.
>
>
>
>
>
> Charlie Nelson
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024, 8:29 AM, sail51--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have recent experience with replacing standing rigging on a
> C 40 or 41 that could provide a rough estimate of cost to do and how was
> cost broken down between materials and installation?
>
>
>
> Thks
>
>
>
>
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> Thanks for your help.
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>
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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

FWIW, in 2022 I used Rigging Only in Fairhaven Mass to make all new rigging
for my 49.   The total cost, with shipping, was around $15,000.

Joel

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:24 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joe,
> It is a bit of a challenge to find a rigger who will do it  but you should
> be able to find someone who will inspect and re-head the original rod
> rigging  (North east rigging systems in MA did mine 4 years ago
> https://www.nerigging.com/). The rods will generally form cracks and fail
> at the ends where they are cold forged into a ball - thus cutting them
> slightly shorter and reheading should be nearly as good as new rods
> (fatigue of the rod itself is probably minimal). That is what I did and
> only one upper and the forestay which was wire and damaged anyway had to be
> replaced. That being said, it is probably only marginally cheaper than
> replacing it with cable rigging, not sure - in 2020 it came out to about
> $13000  to rehead the standing rigging including a new roller furler, new
> turnbuckles and other components, new custom SS mast through threaded rods
> (you end up breaking the old aluminum ones to get them out). However, I did
> keep the rod rigging which has both weight and stiffness advantages. Of
> course you could get all new rod but that is even more $$$.  You might be a
> bit far for North East Rigging Systems to travel in MD - but maybe give
> Kevin a call as he might know someone in your area who does that type of
> work.
>
> Nathan
> S/V Wisper
> C 34 KCB
> Portland ME
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 8:00 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I so need to move – that would probably cost $25,000 around here!
>>
>> Also I found out the rigging shops I called for a survey on that C 40 I
>> looked at would all fail the rigging without even seeing it due to age even
>> if it looked brand new. They were pretty sure they couldn’t do a proper
>> look without doing enough damage to make replacement needed after the
>> survey even if it wasn’t before ☹
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cenelson--- via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 14, 2024 9:02 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* sai...@comcast.net; cenel...@aol.com
>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Standing Rigging
>>
>>
>>
>> I replaced it on my 1995 36 XL/kcb a few years ago. IIRC, total material
>> and labor and shipping was about $7000.
>>
>>
>>
>> This included the rigging and removal of old and installation of new.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Charlie Nelson
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>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024, 8:29 AM, sail51--- via CnC-List <
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>>
>> Does anyone have recent experience with replacing standing rigging on a
>> C 40 or 41 that could provide a rough estimate of cost to do and how was
>> cost broken down between materials and installation?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thks
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Joe,
It is a bit of a challenge to find a rigger who will do it  but you should
be able to find someone who will inspect and re-head the original rod
rigging  (North east rigging systems in MA did mine 4 years ago
https://www.nerigging.com/). The rods will generally form cracks and fail
at the ends where they are cold forged into a ball - thus cutting them
slightly shorter and reheading should be nearly as good as new rods
(fatigue of the rod itself is probably minimal). That is what I did and
only one upper and the forestay which was wire and damaged anyway had to be
replaced. That being said, it is probably only marginally cheaper than
replacing it with cable rigging, not sure - in 2020 it came out to about
$13000  to rehead the standing rigging including a new roller furler, new
turnbuckles and other components, new custom SS mast through threaded rods
(you end up breaking the old aluminum ones to get them out). However, I did
keep the rod rigging which has both weight and stiffness advantages. Of
course you could get all new rod but that is even more $$$.  You might be a
bit far for North East Rigging Systems to travel in MD - but maybe give
Kevin a call as he might know someone in your area who does that type of
work.

Nathan
S/V Wisper
C 34 KCB
Portland ME

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 8:00 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I so need to move – that would probably cost $25,000 around here!
>
> Also I found out the rigging shops I called for a survey on that C 40 I
> looked at would all fail the rigging without even seeing it due to age even
> if it looked brand new. They were pretty sure they couldn’t do a proper
> look without doing enough damage to make replacement needed after the
> survey even if it wasn’t before ☹
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* cenelson--- via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 14, 2024 9:02 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* sai...@comcast.net; cenel...@aol.com
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Standing Rigging
>
>
>
> I replaced it on my 1995 36 XL/kcb a few years ago. IIRC, total material
> and labor and shipping was about $7000.
>
>
>
> This included the rigging and removal of old and installation of new.
>
>
>
>
>
> Charlie Nelson
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024, 8:29 AM, sail51--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have recent experience with replacing standing rigging on a
> C 40 or 41 that could provide a rough estimate of cost to do and how was
> cost broken down between materials and installation?
>
>
>
> Thks
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[cenelson--- via CnC-List]

Sad but true—my local rigger never looked either and no survey was involved.
Mostly folklore IMHO (the necessity of replacing the rigging after 20-30 
years)but liability for their work(company, individual, etc.) is likely a large 
part of reasons for replacing it.
I am sure I stressed mine a few times while racing inshore for many years. With 
no plans to ever go offshore, I probably could have done nothing without 
serious consequences. 
Nonetheless I didn’t want to take the chances—folklore or not!
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1996 C 36 XL/Kobe

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On Monday, April 15, 2024, 8:01 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I so need to move – that would probably cost $25,000 around here!
 
Also I found out the rigging shops I called for a survey on that C 40 I 
looked at would all fail the rigging without even seeing it due to age even if 
it looked brand new. They were pretty sure they couldn’t do a proper look 
without doing enough damage to make replacement needed after the survey even if 
it wasn’t before☹
 
  
 
Joe 
 
Coquina
 
  
 
From: cenelson--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 9:02 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: sai...@comcast.net; cenel...@aol.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Standing Rigging
 
  
 
I replaced it on my 1995 36 XL/kcb a few years ago. IIRC, total material and 
labor and shipping was about $7000.
 
  
 
This included the rigging and removal of old and installation of new.
 
  
 
  
 
Charlie Nelson


 
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On Sunday, April 14, 2024, 8:29 AM, sail51--- via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

Does anyone have recent experience with replacing standing rigging on a C 40 
or 41 that could provide a rough estimate of cost to do and how was cost broken 
down between materials and installation?
 
 
 
Thks
 
 
 
 
 
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Standing Rigging

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I so need to move – that would probably cost $25,000 around here!
Also I found out the rigging shops I called for a survey on that C 40 I 
looked at would all fail the rigging without even seeing it due to age even if 
it looked brand new. They were pretty sure they couldn’t do a proper look 
without doing enough damage to make replacement needed after the survey even if 
it wasn’t before ☹

Joe
Coquina

From: cenelson--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 9:02 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: sai...@comcast.net; cenel...@aol.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Standing Rigging

I replaced it on my 1995 36 XL/kcb a few years ago. IIRC, total material and 
labor and shipping was about $7000.

This included the rigging and removal of old and installation of new.


Charlie Nelson

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iOS


On Sunday, April 14, 2024, 8:29 AM, sail51--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Does anyone have recent experience with replacing standing rigging on a C 40 
or 41 that could provide a rough estimate of cost to do and how was cost broken 
down between materials and installation?



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