Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Matt,

Calypso also had some issues in the mast step area. Back in 1998 when we 
brought her to Seattle we found some failed filler and reinforcement glass just 
forward of the mast step.  We ground out all the old polyester "bog" and 
rebuilt the area with epoxy and glass cloth. We then designed and had 
manufactured a new mast step.

Fast forward to around 2015 we purchased all the C&^C 43 "as built" drawings 
available from the C&C archives at the Maritime Museum.  One of those drawings 
documented how the C&C/Bruckmann team discovered both the early 61's and 43's 
had a weak point just forward of the mast step.  A fix was designed for the 
61's and 43's built after hull #1 or #2.  The 61 SORCERY was retro fitted with 
an "I" beam that went forward from the mast step about 10'.

During Calypso's restoration project we added "I" beams starting on each side 
of the mast step running forward about 5' to reinforce the repairs we did back 
in 98/99.

I expect that the C&C design team, Bruckmann's, and the owners paying the 
bills, on occasion, pushed the design/build envelope in pursuit of that elusive 
extra 1/10 of a knot. I also expect that is why some of the survivors from the 
70's occasionally need some extra repair/restoration.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle

From: Matthew Wolford 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 2:58 PM
To: 'Stus-List' ; j...@dellabarba.com 

Cc: 'Martin DeYoung' 
Subject: RE: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior


My 42 Custom is also a Bruckmann “stick built” boat.  In my case, certain 
aspects of the boat were well constructed, others not so much.  For example, 
the recent project I commented on concerns the mast step.  It was constructed 
of aluminum and designed to span three stringers.  Given the apparent load on 
the middle stringer right under the mast, the step should have been constructed 
of stainless to reduce the chance of bending.  It also would have been handy to 
provide access to the two keel bolts underneath.  When we recently removed the 
mast step to gain access to these keel boats – possibly for the first time 
since the boat was built – we discovered the mast step was bent by about 3/8”.  
Fortunately, this did not break the welds.  However, this much compression on 
the middle stringer did break the fiberglass exterior of the stringer directly 
under the mast step, which, in turn, allowed water entry if the bilge filled 
that high (admittedly a rare event).  While affecting repairs, we decided 
against the “best fix” of replacing the mast step and spreading the load as 
originally intended.  Instead, we implemented a “good enough” fix of modifying 
and reinstalling the original mast step and repairing/fortifying the damaged 
middle stringer.  This project and many others revealed that the Bruckmann shop 
did a lot of things “on the fly,” like incorrectly positioning the rudder and 
compensating with two different sized bronze rollers, installing drainage in 
hull compartments that allows standing water, or using wrong size bolts that 
were probably laying around the shop.  It’s been a fun boat, but I’ve done many 
repairs that revealed construction issues.



From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 5:18 PM
To: 'Stus-List' ; j...@dellabarba.com
Cc: Martin DeYoung 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior



I have experience with two 1970's era Bruckmann built boats, our 43 
commissioned in January 1971 and a 1974 C&C 39. I also owned a 1980 C&C 36 
which was not a Bruckmann built boat.



Both Bruckmann boats had a "stick built" interior and a balsa core deck. My 
experience with the 39 was making two Seattle/LA/Hawaii/Seattle round trips and 
being involved with the 39's maintenance and upgrades over 4 years. We have 
owned the 43 for 25 years and completed a 10 year restoration project last year.



On the two Bruckmann built boats I have experience with I found the build 
quality to be quite good.  After touching almost every square foot of the 43 
during the restoration the fit and finish seemed to be better than many 
similarly marketed boats.



The 43's issues that needed attention during our restoration project were not 
so bad given it was raced and sailed hard for 40 years.  Even the British Navy, 
back in +-1800 expected their ships to require significant work after only 18 - 
24 months of service.



Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Port Ludlow/Seattle

(To see pictures of a Bruckmann interior, search 1971 C&C 43-1 on Boat Trader's 
website.)







From: j...@dellabarba.com 
mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 6:56 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: 'Martin DeYoung' 
mailto:martin.deyo...@outlook.com>>
Subject: RE: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior



Bruckman would be a good thing, right?

I can’t believe someone hauled that boat to a lake about 12 miles long, but 
they did.

Joe



F

Stus-List Re: C&C 35 Mk 2 available

[John Read via CnC-List]

David.  My alma mater Tabor Academy lm Marion, MA has a very active sailing
program and may be interested in your donation.  Worth a try.  Use my name.
John Read  class 1965

On Mon, May 20, 2024, 6:06 PM David Kelly via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Looking for a little help on options.  My job is being relocated to Europe
> over the summer.  As a result, I am looking to sell or donate my C&C 35-2,
> hull #207.
>
> I reached out to Mass Maritime and one other place and received a “does
> not fit our program” reply.  Any suggestions are welcome.  I need to get
> serious, as my relocation has gone from a possibility to a reality over the
> last month.
>
> David Kelly
> Baraka, C&C 35-2
> Noroton, CT
>
> On May 20, 2024, at 2:19 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I could buy that boat cheaper than repainting my boat, getting a Yanmar,
> and buying all that teak.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> *From:* Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2024 1:34 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Gallagher 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior
>
>
>
> My boat has the same cabin sole, otherwise no where as much as all that on
> the topsides.  I certainly don't have teak and holly in the head!
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
> On 5/20/2024 12:12 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Was this stock? I cannot recall seeing any other 35 with this much teak:
>
> https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1970-c$c-35-mk-i-9350708/
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C&C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
> me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
>
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> Thanks for your help.
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>
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
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Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior

[Matthew Wolford via CnC-List]

My 42 Custom is also a Bruckmann “stick built” boat.  In my case, certain 
aspects of the boat were well constructed, others not so much.  For example, 
the recent project I commented on concerns the mast step.  It was constructed 
of aluminum and designed to span three stringers.  Given the apparent load on 
the middle stringer right under the mast, the step should have been constructed 
of stainless to reduce the chance of bending.  It also would have been handy to 
provide access to the two keel bolts underneath.  When we recently removed the 
mast step to gain access to these keel boats – possibly for the first time 
since the boat was built – we discovered the mast step was bent by about 3/8”.  
Fortunately, this did not break the welds.  However, this much compression on 
the middle stringer did break the fiberglass exterior of the stringer directly 
under the mast step, which, in turn, allowed water entry if the bilge filled 
that high (admittedly a rare event).  While affecting repairs, we decided 
against the “best fix” of replacing the mast step and spreading the load as 
originally intended.  Instead, we implemented a “good enough” fix of modifying 
and reinstalling the original mast step and repairing/fortifying the damaged 
middle stringer.  This project and many others revealed that the Bruckmann shop 
did a lot of things “on the fly,” like incorrectly positioning the rudder and 
compensating with two different sized bronze rollers, installing drainage in 
hull compartments that allows standing water, or using wrong size bolts that 
were probably laying around the shop.  It’s been a fun boat, but I’ve done many 
repairs that revealed construction issues.

 

From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 5:18 PM
To: 'Stus-List' ; j...@dellabarba.com
Cc: Martin DeYoung 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior

 

I have experience with two 1970's era Bruckmann built boats, our 43 
commissioned in January 1971 and a 1974 C&C 39. I also owned a 1980 C&C 36 
which was not a Bruckmann built boat.

 

Both Bruckmann boats had a "stick built" interior and a balsa core deck. My 
experience with the 39 was making two Seattle/LA/Hawaii/Seattle round trips and 
being involved with the 39's maintenance and upgrades over 4 years. We have 
owned the 43 for 25 years and completed a 10 year restoration project last year.

 

On the two Bruckmann built boats I have experience with I found the build 
quality to be quite good.  After touching almost every square foot of the 43 
during the restoration the fit and finish seemed to be better than many 
similarly marketed boats.

 

The 43's issues that needed attention during our restoration project were not 
so bad given it was raced and sailed hard for 40 years.  Even the British Navy, 
back in +-1800 expected their ships to require significant work after only 18 - 
24 months of service.

 

Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Port Ludlow/Seattle

(To see pictures of a Bruckmann interior, search 1971 C&C 43-1 on Boat Trader's 
website.)

 

 

  _  

From: j...@dellabarba.com   mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> >
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 6:56 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: 'Martin DeYoung' mailto:martin.deyo...@outlook.com> >
Subject: RE: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior 

 

Bruckman would be a good thing, right?

I can’t believe someone hauled that boat to a lake about 12 miles long, but 
they did.

Joe

 

From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 6:29 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Martin DeYoung mailto:martin.deyo...@outlook.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior

 

Any chance this 1970 35 was built at the Bruckmann custom shop?  Some of the 
details appear similar to the 70's era 43s.

 

The 43s were built with a teak veneer over the plywood bulkhead.  Calypso's 
(nee Arieto) original owner ordered the bulkheads to have white paint added 
over the teak veneer. (one rumor held it was to better see mosquitoes)

 

Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43-1

Port Ludlow/Seattle

  _  

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 3:18 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior 

 

Joe, 

 

This must be a very early 35.  It's listed as a 1970.  I found what may be it 
in the USCG vessel search under Vessel Number 527443 but no hull number is 
shown.

 

It is quite different from any 35 I've ever seen.  The cabinetry is very 
different.  There are no frames around the above seat storages or hanging 
locker accesses.  The bulkhead under the seats is wood, not fiberglass.  The 
port above the hanging locker is unusual.  The one in the head is not.  (Hull 
61 has one of those.)

 

Dorades?  Go figure.

 

No wrap around seat backs.

 

The V-berth bureau drawers lack finger holes. 

Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I have experience with two 1970's era Bruckmann built boats, our 43 
commissioned in January 1971 and a 1974 C&C 39. I also owned a 1980 C&C 36 
which was not a Bruckmann built boat.

Both Bruckmann boats had a "stick built" interior and a balsa core deck. My 
experience with the 39 was making two Seattle/LA/Hawaii/Seattle round trips and 
being involved with the 39's maintenance and upgrades over 4 years. We have 
owned the 43 for 25 years and completed a 10 year restoration project last year.

On the two Bruckmann built boats I have experience with I found the build 
quality to be quite good.  After touching almost every square foot of the 43 
during the restoration the fit and finish seemed to be better than many 
similarly marketed boats.

The 43's issues that needed attention during our restoration project were not 
so bad given it was raced and sailed hard for 40 years.  Even the British Navy, 
back in +-1800 expected their ships to require significant work after only 18 - 
24 months of service.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle
(To see pictures of a Bruckmann interior, search 1971 C&C 43-1 on Boat Trader's 
website.)



From: j...@dellabarba.com 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 6:56 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: 'Martin DeYoung' 
Subject: RE: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior


Bruckman would be a good thing, right?

I can’t believe someone hauled that boat to a lake about 12 miles long, but 
they did.

Joe



From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 6:29 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Martin DeYoung 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior



Any chance this 1970 35 was built at the Bruckmann custom shop?  Some of the 
details appear similar to the 70's era 43s.



The 43s were built with a teak veneer over the plywood bulkhead.  Calypso's 
(nee Arieto) original owner ordered the bulkheads to have white paint added 
over the teak veneer. (one rumor held it was to better see mosquitoes)



Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43-1

Port Ludlow/Seattle



From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 3:18 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior



Joe,



This must be a very early 35.  It's listed as a 1970.  I found what may be it 
in the USCG vessel search under Vessel Number 527443 but no hull number is 
shown.



It is quite different from any 35 I've ever seen.  The cabinetry is very 
different.  There are no frames around the above seat storages or hanging 
locker accesses.  The bulkhead under the seats is wood, not fiberglass.  The 
port above the hanging locker is unusual.  The one in the head is not.  (Hull 
61 has one of those.)



Dorades?  Go figure.



No wrap around seat backs.



The V-berth bureau drawers lack finger holes.  The fiddles on the bureaus are 
different.



The engine compartment appears to be wood.  The inboard navstation bulkhead is 
curved.  The 45 angle on the inboard end of the navstation lift up is different.



The galley sink is rotated 90 degrees from Touche's.  The head sink is 
rectangular.  Most are round.



No fiberglass step under the V-berth filler piece.  Might have been removed?



Most of these differences look factory.  I don't think they were owner 
modifications.



I'm guessing this boat was one or two steps removed from the C&C 35 prototype.



--

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA



On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 11:13 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Was this stock? I cannot recall seeing any other 35 with this much teak:

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1970-c$c-35-mk-i-9350708/





Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA




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Stus-List Re: C&C 35 Mk 2 available

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Are you the on
Sail boat listing that need an engine and tall rig

Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *



On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 3:10 PM John McCrea via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> David,
>
>
>
> Did you try the Sea Scouts? They take older boats as donations for their
> program, Also, Mystic Seaport takes donations as well.
>
>
>
> *From:* sail51--- via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 21, 2024 8:20 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* sai...@comcast.net
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C&C 35 Mk 2 available
>
>
>
> If you can’t find an organization to donate it another option may be to
> list it with a broker and leave it at a local marina or other publicly
> accessible place where it can be watched … this is what a neighbor of ours
> did
>
>
>
> *From: *David Kelly via CnC-List 
> *Date: *Monday, May 20, 2024 at 6:05 PM
> *To: *Stus-List 
> *Cc: *David Kelly 
> *Subject: *Stus-List Re: C&C 35 Mk 2 available
>
> Looking for a little help on options.  My job is being relocated to Europe
> over the summer.  As a result, I am looking to sell or donate my C&C 35-2,
> hull #207.
>
>
>
> I reached out to Mass Maritime and one other place and received a “does
> not fit our program” reply.  Any suggestions are welcome.  I need to get
> serious, as my relocation has gone from a possibility to a reality over the
> last month.
>
>
>
> David Kelly
>
> Baraka, C&C 35-2
>
> Noroton, CT
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2024, at 2:19 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
>  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I could buy that boat cheaper than repainting my boat, getting a Yanmar,
> and buying all that teak.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> *From:* Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2024 1:34 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Gallagher 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior
>
>
>
> My boat has the same cabin sole, otherwise no where as much as all that on
> the topsides.  I certainly don't have teak and holly in the head!
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
> On 5/20/2024 12:12 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Was this stock? I cannot recall seeing any other 35 with this much teak:
>
> https://www.yachtworldcom/yacht/1970-c$c-35-mk-i-9350708/
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C&C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
> me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
>
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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> Stu
>
>
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
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Stus-List Re: C&C 35 Mk 2 available

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

David,

 

Did you try the Sea Scouts? They take older boats as donations for their 
program, Also, Mystic Seaport takes donations as well.

 

From: sail51--- via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 8:20 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: sai...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 Mk 2 available

 

If you can’t find an organization to donate it another option may be to list it 
with a broker and leave it at a local marina or other publicly accessible place 
where it can be watched … this is what a neighbor of ours did 

 

From: David Kelly via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Date: Monday, May 20, 2024 at 6:05 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: David Kelly mailto:da...@dkelly.org> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 Mk 2 available

Looking for a little help on options.  My job is being relocated to Europe over 
the summer.  As a result, I am looking to sell or donate my C&C 35-2, hull #207.

 

I reached out to Mass Maritime and one other place and received a “does not fit 
our program” reply.  Any suggestions are welcome.  I need to get serious, as my 
relocation has gone from a possibility to a reality over the last month. 

 

David Kelly

Baraka, C&C 35-2

Noroton, CT

 

On May 20, 2024, at 2:19 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
 wrote:



I could buy that boat cheaper than repainting my boat, getting a Yanmar, and 
buying all that teak.

Joe

 

From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 1:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Neil Gallagher mailto:njgallag...@optonline.net> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior

 

My boat has the same cabin sole, otherwise no where as much as all that on the 
topsides.  I certainly don't have teak and holly in the head!

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY 

On 5/20/2024 12:12 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:

Was this stock? I cannot recall seeing any other 35 with this much teak:

https://www.yachtworldcom/yacht/1970-c$c-35-mk-i-9350708/ 
 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

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[sail51--- via CnC-List]

If you can’t find an organization to donate it another option may be to list it with a broker and leave it at a local marina or other publicly accessible place where it can be watched … this is what a neighbor of ours did  From: David Kelly via CnC-List Date: Monday, May 20, 2024 at 6:05 PMTo: Stus-List Cc: David Kelly Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 Mk 2 availableLooking for a little help on options.  My job is being relocated to Europe over the summer.  As a result, I am looking to sell or donate my C&C 35-2, hull #207. I reached out to Mass Maritime and one other place and received a “does not fit our program” reply.  Any suggestions are welcome.  I need to get serious, as my relocation has gone from a possibility to a reality over the last month.  David KellyBaraka, C&C 35-2Noroton, CTOn May 20, 2024, at 2:19 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  wrote:I could buy that boat cheaper than repainting my boat, getting a Yanmar, and buying all that teak.Joe From: Neil Gallagher via CnC-List  Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 1:34 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Neil Gallagher Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 35 MK I interior My boat has the same cabin sole, otherwise no where as much as all that on the topsides.  I certainly don't have teak and holly in the head!Neil GallagherWeatherly, 35-1Glen Cove, NY On 5/20/2024 12:12 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:Was this stock? I cannot recall seeing any other 35 with this much teak:https://www.yachtworldcom/yacht/1970-c$c-35-mk-i-9350708/  Joe Della BarbaCoquina C&C 35 MK IKent Island MD USA   Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.Stu Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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