Re: Stus-List Rudder repair?

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Dave
I have a C 29 Mk2 where the previous owner had hit rocks hard and tore the 
bottom 10 inches off the rudder and bent the rudder post backward and to port.  
There was also some damage to the bottom of the keel.   I replaced the bent 
rudder shaft with a new one made from 316 stainless as part of a rudder 
rebuild.  Stainless work hardens if bent and while it can be straightened you 
are essentially cold working it again to go the other way to straighten and I 
would be concerned with cracking and overall loss of strength.  If you added 
the required amount of heat to try to anneal to compensate you would like 
damage the fiberglass rudder and foam core as the anneal temperature for 
stainless is high.  If you are operating in a salt water environment it is also 
more severe and higher risk of stress corrosion cracking and thus the reason 
316 stainless is used vs 304 in marine applications.   Marine engineers 
designed the rudder post to bend if hit hard enough once and thus not rip open 
the bottom of your boat. I'm not sure they intended it to get straightened and 
take the same hit a second time and not break off completely or worse.  My 
recommendation is get a new rudder, or at minimum get a new post and have the 
rudder rebuilt as there is likely more damage you don't see inside or at least 
the foam core had been compromised by water getting in which was the case with 
my rudder.Good luck. 

James
C 29 Mk 2, White Magic. SN 001

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> On Jul 30, 2018, at 3:42 PM, Edward Levert via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> David
> 
> If your insurance company is pushing for the repair vs replacement, ask them 
> if they will guarantee the repair and any subsequent damages. 
> 
> Ed Levert
> C 34 Briar Patch
> New Orleans, La
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 3:35 PM John Read via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> David Who is doing the repairs and what experience do they have? Suggest you 
>> call a reputable surveyor ,some other repair yards and of course to get the 
>> real answer Nick at Fort Rachel. Best John Read 
>> 
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>> Subject: Stus-List Rudder repair?
>> 
>> I have a decision to make on repairing the rudder on my boat after it was 
>> damaged in a grounding on a reef.  The shaft is bent and they are proposing 
>> to straighten the shaft and then repair the fiberglass.  It was described to 
>> me by the surveyor as a common process and no big deal.  He said they used 
>> heat and hydraulics to do it while the shaft is still attached to the 
>> rudder.  He described one done recently on a Nonesuch as bent worse than 
>> mine and came out fine.  I have been looking into having a replacement 
>> built, but that is going to take more time and money to do, so I am 
>> wondering what the experience and wisdom of the group is on the issue of 
>> repair.  Thanks- Dave
>> 
>> Aries
>> 1990 C 34+
>> New London, CT
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Re: Stus-List Rigging tensions for C 35 Mk I

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Dennis
Which model of Loos gauge are you using?

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> On May 24, 2018, at 6:18 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dennis, very similar numbers to what my 35 MKII likes; similar rigs I 
> guess.  I have tried more tension on the uppers, in fact to 1200 and above as 
> you note and that works fine in 20+ knots apparent wind.  Let me also say 
> that if you get head stay tension correct then with about 1000 lbs on the 
> backstay with a 135% headsail she should hold a nearly close hauled course 
> without a hand on the wheel as long as conditions stay somewhat constant, 
> balanced almost perfect which on St. Margaret's Bay can be the whole way 
> across, or about 6 miles.  Watch for other boats in your path because she 
> will be moving at 7 or better in 15 apparent 
> 
> If you dare go forward, lie on your back feet forward and sight up the mast.  
> You should see a nice bend in the mast to leeward maximum at about spreader 
> height...that's what works good, caused by the much lower tension on the 
> forward and aft lowers.  Beautiful bow, who said the mast on a 35 was too big 
> to bend...bends nicely to leeward and loves it...fun stuff to play with, get 
> a gauge and have fun
> 
> Dwight Veinot
> C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
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>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:49 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> OK, here's the super secret rig tensions for a 35-1.  Don't tell anyone 
>> outside the C community!
>> 
>> Number are:  Loos #  / Tension in lbs  / %breaking strength
>> 
>> Uppers  34 / 1300 / 21
>> Fwd lowers  21 / 640 / 14
>> Aft lowers 12 / 270 / 5.5
>> 
>> These tensions should induce a bit of pre-bend in your mast.  Your main sail 
>> may not be cut for any pre-bend.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
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>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Just curious if anyone has the standing rigging tension for the shrouds on 
>>> a C 35 Mk1.  I have lost my sheets with the numbers.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Old style aluminum frame portlight gasket

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David
I too have a C 35-1 with old style aluminum windows that need gaskets 
replaced. First dibs to Dennis of course on the extra 80ft you have as he 
started this chat, but I would be interested in buying some from you.   My 
email is j...@mymts.net if you want to email directly.   Again first dibs to 
Dennis but if you still have some left let me know. 
Cheers
James Neirinck

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> On Mar 23, 2018, at 8:22 AM, David Paine via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> yes, both nubs squeeze in with some effort.  I used a popsicle stick to help. 
>   It will of course depend on the thickness of your glazing/acrylic and the 
> thickness of the gasket material when compressed.   I have heard (on this 
> list) for years about how d-profile weather strip works well but I can't 
> imagine that it really does.   What I used was a thin (maybe 1/8 or 3/16")  
> neoprene double sided sticky foam tape (it was a while ago but I know I 
> bought it at McMaster) that was probably the 3m-VHB (very high bond) tape 
> that people talk about.  That stuff makes the spline almost irrelevant (when 
> I did this 10 years ago I reused the old spline but a few years ago I decided 
> it was too ugly not to replace so I found the stuff referenced above).
> 
> If you want a small piece of the spline to test send me your address and I'll 
> put it in an envelope.  Or if you want to buy some of the 80 ft that I have 
> left from the original 100 ft roll let me know and I'm sure we can come to an 
> agreement.
> 
> David
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Awesome.  Exactly what the list needed.
>> 
>> Having a double groove on the outside facing side worked then?  I assume the 
>> second groove went under the frame and was not visible?
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 6:00 AM, David Paine via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi  Denis,
>>> 
>>> I went to a window building place and went through their samples of spline 
>>> and found one that fit perfectly.  I then went to Amazon and ordered the 
>>> shortest roll I could get (100 ft).   Here is what I bought:  
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001G0Y5EA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>>>  .
>>> 
>>> David (C 33-1)
>>> 
 On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 Hi Dennis
 
  
 
 In 2003 I bought the gasket from South Shore Marine.  Actually I even 
 bought new (sitting for 30 years) 35 inch aluminum frames as well.  At the 
 time someone told me I could have tried an RV supplier for the spline.  
 That was for a Niagara 26 BTW
 
  
 
 Mike
 
  
 
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis 
 C. via CnC-List
 Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:20 PM
 To: CnClist
 Cc: Dennis C.
 Subject: Stus-List Old style aluminum frame portlight gasket
 
  
 
 Almost time to replace the lenses in Touche's old style aluminum frame 
 portlights.  The "D" shape EDPM inner seal is easy to find at big box 
 stores.
 
  
 
 However, I can only find the gray outer gasket at Holland Marine for 
 $5/foot.  Gaskets for newer hatches at hatchmasters.com (Select Plastics 
 site) are in the same price range.  Internet search reveals some that are 
 close but not exact.
 
  
 
 I can reuse the old gasket and have some old gasket if need be.  However, 
 I'd like to find another source for the gasket at a reasonable price.
 
  
 
 Some on the list claim it's a readily available storm door or window 
 gasket or such.   I've taken a sample of the gasket to several glass shops 
 and door repair places in my area with no luck at all.  
 
  
 
 Can anybody find a manufacturer, supplier or part number for the exact 
 replacement gasket?  Has anybody found a similar gasket that worked?  If 
 so, what is part number?  There's a lot of us that would like that 
 information.
 
  
 
 Dennis C.
 
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 
 Mandeville, LA
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Tell me about the 35 MKIII-CB

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Sean
I sailed an O'Day with the shoal draft center board for  many years and loved 
the boat as it removes a lot of anxiety and stress to pull up the board when in 
shallow water or uncertain areas close to shore or when anchoring.   Many times 
have nosed up to the rocks and tied on shore with an anchor off the stern.   
You do lose some ability to point  close to the wind or we did on the O'Day.   
Had her many times with triple reef main and storm jib so no issues in a blow.  
You should replace the centerboard pennant line every 5 years but other than 
that no issues.   So if you sail in shallow waters or places with shallow 
anchorage the CB boat would fit the bill.  I now sail both a C 35 mk1 and a 
C 29 mk 2 (please don't ask why two boats) and love the C's, their 
handling, speed, ability to point.   I do however have 'rock and anything else 
that may be hard below the surface' anxiety even with a depth sounder and when 
I get close to shore or island or when anchoring that anxiety only goes up and 
I long for the CB pennant to pull up the board for peace of mind.  So there is 
always a compromise.  Pick the boat that best suits where and how you plan to 
sail and enjoy. 
Cheers
James

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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Sean Richardson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Calling on the collective C brain trust!
> 
>  
> 
> I’m giving serious consideration to a 35 MKIII CB and would appreciate any 
> advice on what to look out for with the MKIII in general as well specifics of 
> the center board version if anyone has any.
> 
>  
> 
> The boat is single owner freshwater and by all accounts so far appears to be 
> in very good condition. She checks off many of the requirement boxes for our 
> next boat but I’m a little torn on the CB with main concerns being how it 
> effects performance/stability as well as required maintenance.
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve heard the center board version is quite tender. We eventually plan to 
> sail out the St. Lawrence to the Maritimes one summer, park the boat, then 
> return the following season to continue on down the US East coast (ICW) to 
> Florida then on to the Bahamas. The board up shallow draft will be good for 
> the ICW and Bahamas portion but how would this boat fare in the more 
> challenging conditions of the St Lawrence and Maritimes?
> 
>  
> 
> My other concern is access to the centerboard area for maintenance.  I would 
> assume the slot and pivot area will require frequent attention to clean 
> marine growth and avoid jamming the board in either the up or down position. 
> And how difficult would it be if one had to replace the SS lifting strop with 
> the boat in the water?
> 
>  
> 
> The more I think about the center board the more troubles I see down the road.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Battery Charger

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I was looking at installing a Genius Gen2 20A unit.  I found some good reviews 
on it.  Anyone have experience with this one?
James 
Flamingo IV
'71 C 35
Lake of the Woods, Ontario

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> On May 6, 2017, at 5:56 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My Guest Pro 2815 died the same way.  I replaced mine with a ProMariner 
> Pronautic 1230P.
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> 
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> 
> 
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 9:45 PM, robert via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> My old Guest Pro Battery Charger Model 2815 seems to have hit the dustit 
>> was working yesterday but today it was notno charge going to batteries 
>> and no lights on on the charger'red' when it is charging 'green' when in 
>> float mode.  There is an exterior fuse which I checked and it looks 
>> finemaybe I should replace it just to be sure.  I have no idea how old 
>> this device is or how long they are supposed to last.
>> 
>> Is there anything else I could check?
>> 
>> However, if it has simply 'expired', any suggestions on what I might replace 
>> it with?
>> 
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C 32 -84
>> Halifax, N.S.
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C 34 Parts For Sale

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Chris
I'll take the DC panel if your ok shipping U.S. Postal international service to 
Canada. 
Let me know and I'll provide address.  Couple ways I can pay in advance for 
shipping just let me know. 
Cheers. James Neirinck

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> On Feb 24, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Chris Duer via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All -
> 
> Well, it took until last week for our insurance to finally take our beloved 
> C 34 for salvage after Hurricane Matthew in October!
> 
> We had a few parts still kicking around that were getting cleaned up.  If 
> anyone is looking for:
> 
> 4 step transom ladder ($100 plus shipping)
> Cockpit pedestal mount table with mounting brackets ($70 plus shipping)
> Old breaker style C etched DC panel (free, you pay shipping)
> 
> Pictures at the following link.
> 
> https://goo.gl/photos/dyjd23PahTr48EgdA
> 
> I'm sure there will be more as I go through the boxes, but this is a start.
> 
> We had a great time with her for 10 years, it's a sad time to see her go...
> 
> Chris Duer
> ex-C 34 #117
> Morning View
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Stus-List C Mk1 Compass

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Does anyone know the brand and model of compass that would have been installed 
in the pedestal of a 1971 C?   Just recently bought the boat and the 
compass is missing.  Next question is where would be the best place to get one?
Cheers. Jim

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Re: Stus-List C 35 Mk 1 Owners Manual

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Russ
No major concerns as a well kept one owner boat who bought it new from the 
Toronto boat show back in 1971.  I'm an engineer so like to have as much info 
and detail as possible and I have all winter to get up to speed on the 35. 
Cheers. Jim

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> On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Welcome to the list. And congrats on the acquisition of the 35 mk-1. 
> 
>  Great boat.!
> 
> What concerns do you have with her?  We can help.
> 
> Cheers, Russ 
> Sweet 35 mk-1
> 
> 
> At 03:36 PM 30/09/2016, you wrote:
>> I just purchased a 1971 C& C 35 Mk 1 (and just joined this users group!) and 
>> am looking for an owners manual for this sailboat.
>> There are C owners manuals for other sizes of C boats but not for the 
>> 35ft Mk1 it seems.  So any assistance in print or pdf is greatly appreciated.
>> Cheers, Jim Neirinck
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