Re: Stus-List Ball Caps

[Stu via CnC-List]

And I have a legally signed letter giving me use of the logo for profit.

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Re: Stus-List Ball Caps

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Copyright and trademark holder retains COMPLETE control of all, or any, 
use. Fair use merely allows you to include short excerpts of copyrighted 
works or mention of trademarks in a review, or similar. Whether you use 
the trademark or copyrighted material for profit or not makes absolutely 
no difference. You cannot legally even use copyrighted material or 
trademarks for home-made items for your own exclusive use.


Bill Bina

On 4/5/2016 11:27 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


Sorry it's called "fair use".  Your use can't be profitable, can't 
diminish value (defame), and can't diminish profit (steal customers).


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Josh

On Apr 5, 2016 11:17 PM, "Josh Muckley" > wrote:


As long as you are not profiting from the sale of the logo you can
use and make the logos on anything and pretty much anywhere.  I'm
pretty sure its referred to as "free use".

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




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Re: Stus-List Ball Caps

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Sorry it's called "fair use".  Your use can't be profitable, can't diminish
value (defame), and can't diminish profit (steal customers).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Josh
On Apr 5, 2016 11:17 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:

> As long as you are not profiting from the sale of the logo you can use and
> make the logos on anything and pretty much anywhere.  I'm pretty sure its
> referred to as "free use".
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Apr 5, 2016 7:47 PM, "Stu via CnC-List"  wrote:
>
>> My arrangement with C Yachts was that any logoed items MUST be sold on
>> the Photo Album and not in Yacht Clubs, fairs or trade shows or any other
>> venue.  Joe Bognar, who was looking after the T-shirts got stopped at the
>> National Yacht Club in Toronto during a C Regatta.
>>
>> It all has to do with copyright laws and rules.  Even though C has
>> adopted a new logo, the still own the copyright to the old one.
>>
>> If you can find an embroidery company that will do the hats without
>> copyright permission, you could probably get a few made for personal use.
>> Just don’t get caught selling them for a profit.
>>
>> If someone wants to take on this venture, pay for the hats and setup fee,
>> I will put them on the Photo Album and send you each order once payment has
>> been received.  Then I will send you the money (less a bit for the Photo
>> Album).
>>
>> In the past we found shipping from Canada to Canada could cost upwards of
>> $14.  From Canada to anywhere in USA runs just over $6.00.  If you get
>> small re-cycled boxes for $.25 each, you can probably get up to 5 in a box
>> and shipping is the same.
>>
>> If you want to sell the hats, let me know off the lists and we can work
>> out the details.
>>
>> Stu
>> p.s. I do not want to get involved in the cost of the hats or the
>> shipping.
>>
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Re: Stus-List Ball Caps

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

As long as you are not profiting from the sale of the logo you can use and
make the logos on anything and pretty much anywhere.  I'm pretty sure its
referred to as "free use".

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Apr 5, 2016 7:47 PM, "Stu via CnC-List"  wrote:

> My arrangement with C Yachts was that any logoed items MUST be sold on
> the Photo Album and not in Yacht Clubs, fairs or trade shows or any other
> venue.  Joe Bognar, who was looking after the T-shirts got stopped at the
> National Yacht Club in Toronto during a C Regatta.
>
> It all has to do with copyright laws and rules.  Even though C has
> adopted a new logo, the still own the copyright to the old one.
>
> If you can find an embroidery company that will do the hats without
> copyright permission, you could probably get a few made for personal use.
> Just don’t get caught selling them for a profit.
>
> If someone wants to take on this venture, pay for the hats and setup fee,
> I will put them on the Photo Album and send you each order once payment has
> been received.  Then I will send you the money (less a bit for the Photo
> Album).
>
> In the past we found shipping from Canada to Canada could cost upwards of
> $14.  From Canada to anywhere in USA runs just over $6.00.  If you get
> small re-cycled boxes for $.25 each, you can probably get up to 5 in a box
> and shipping is the same.
>
> If you want to sell the hats, let me know off the lists and we can work
> out the details.
>
> Stu
> p.s. I do not want to get involved in the cost of the hats or the
> shipping.
>
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Re: Stus-List Ball Caps

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I have used Queensboro Shirts for custom embroidery many times. They do a free 
logo set up, supposedly for only the first one but have never charged me for 
changes or new logos. Their products are great quality - embroidery outstanding 
- and best of all have a 4 item minimum - and can be 4 different garments / 
hats etc.   They also have a service that allows clubs etc to set up a "store" 
- allowing members to order items - and allow the club to get a cut - might be 
worth a look to set something up on the c 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 17:48, Peter Fell via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I just got a '4imprint' catalog at work. I've probably tossed a couple dozen 
> of these in the recycle but this time I thought ... C caps? 
>  
> Good looking 2-tone ('wave' of colour on the bill) cap including embroidery 
> with no tape setup charge is:
>  
> $8.75 ea for 36
> $7.95 ea for 72
> $6.95 ea for 144
> $6.50 ea for 288
> $5.76 ea for 576
>  
> Cheaper single-colour option is on sale until 15 May:
>  
> $7.25 ea for 48
> $6.75 ea for 72
> $5.50 ea for 144
> $4.95 ea for 288
> $4.50 ea for 676
>  
> Set-up tape charge of $35 for 72 pieces or less
>  
> All prices in $CAD
>  
> They will send you free samples
>  
> www.4imprint.ca
>  
> Not sure how those prices compare with others.
>  
> Looks like they might be based in Windsor (it’s just listed as a PO Box 
> number ... so it’s probably actually serviced out of Detroit).
>  
> I’ve sail before and I’m still thinking that bulk shipment to ‘regional’ reps 
> would be the cheapest for final distribution and that rep could hit the local 
> C Rendezvous.
>  
> Next year you approach places like HMP to take some items to the Toronto Boat 
> show on the groups behalf or let a rep use a corner of their booth and 
> perhaps Shoreline as well (since both still have some C parts stock) ? 
> Other areas could approach their local suppliers that cater to the sailboat 
> crowd to do same.
>  
> I would highly suspect that water bottles and coffee mugs would be a good 
> seller too.
>  
> Peter Fell
> Sidney, BC
> Cygnet
> C 27 MkIII
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Stu via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:41 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Ball Caps
>  
> Seveeral months ago we stopped selling the Ball Caps and for several good
> reasons.
>  
> Gladys, the embroidery queen, wore out her $2000 sewing machine and could
> not justify replacing it.  I learned quite a few new words when she was
> sewing the caps.
>  
> We were purchasing decent hats wholesale and the company dropped the line
> and introduced a new line at almost twice the cost.
>  
> The Post Office increased the cost of shipping.  Shipping to the USA went
> from $5.00 to almost $8.00.  To ship in Canada to the west coast it was
> over $14.00.  Even having a commercial account with Canada Post, the costs
> were outrageous.  Fedex, UPS and others out completely out of the picture.
>  
> Every time the costs went up, I tried to absorb it but eventually it was
> costing us and Gladys got nothing for her frustrations.
>  
> I'll pursue the matter this summer and see if we can get a commercial
> company to make the hats for us at a reasonable cost and see if there is a
> shipping method that is affordable.
>  
> Now if you have someone who can handle a needle and thread, Gladys is
> still doing the embroidered C patches on another machine.  Get yourself
> a hat and have someone sew the patch on for you.
>  
> I'll certainly look into the possibility of getting the hats back online.
>  
> Stu
>  
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Re: Stus-List Ball Caps

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

I just got a '4imprint' catalog at work. I've probably tossed a couple dozen of 
these in the recycle but this time I thought ... C caps?  

Good looking 2-tone ('wave' of colour on the bill) cap including embroidery 
with no tape setup charge is:

$8.75 ea for 36
$7.95 ea for 72
$6.95 ea for 144
$6.50 ea for 288
$5.76 ea for 576

Cheaper single-colour option is on sale until 15 May:

$7.25 ea for 48
$6.75 ea for 72
$5.50 ea for 144
$4.95 ea for 288
$4.50 ea for 676

Set-up tape charge of $35 for 72 pieces or less

All prices in $CAD

They will send you free samples

www.4imprint.ca 

Not sure how those prices compare with others. 

Looks like they might be based in Windsor (it’s just listed as a PO Box number 
... so it’s probably actually serviced out of Detroit).

I’ve sail before and I’m still thinking that bulk shipment to ‘regional’ reps 
would be the cheapest for final distribution and that rep could hit the local 
C Rendezvous.

Next year you approach places like HMP to take some items to the Toronto Boat 
show on the groups behalf or let a rep use a corner of their booth and perhaps 
Shoreline as well (since both still have some C parts stock) ? Other areas 
could approach their local suppliers that cater to the sailboat crowd to do 
same.

I would highly suspect that water bottles and coffee mugs would be a good 
seller too.

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C 27 MkIII

-Original Message- 
From: Stu via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:41 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Ball Caps 

Seveeral months ago we stopped selling the Ball Caps and for several good
reasons.

Gladys, the embroidery queen, wore out her $2000 sewing machine and could
not justify replacing it.  I learned quite a few new words when she was
sewing the caps.

We were purchasing decent hats wholesale and the company dropped the line
and introduced a new line at almost twice the cost.

The Post Office increased the cost of shipping.  Shipping to the USA went
from $5.00 to almost $8.00.  To ship in Canada to the west coast it was
over $14.00.  Even having a commercial account with Canada Post, the costs
were outrageous.  Fedex, UPS and others out completely out of the picture.

Every time the costs went up, I tried to absorb it but eventually it was
costing us and Gladys got nothing for her frustrations.

I'll pursue the matter this summer and see if we can get a commercial
company to make the hats for us at a reasonable cost and see if there is a
shipping method that is affordable.

Now if you have someone who can handle a needle and thread, Gladys is
still doing the embroidered C patches on another machine.  Get yourself
a hat and have someone sew the patch on for you.

I'll certainly look into the possibility of getting the hats back online.

Stu


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Re: Stus-List Ball Caps

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

I don't see patches on the website?

Something perhaps to look into is the possibility that a bulk order of 
chandlery items be shipped out to a volunteer (or 2)  in various areas to


1) broker for the group
2) bring along to the area's CC rendezvous?

I must admit in the couple years I've had the boat I haven't made it to the 
PNW rendezvous yet, but I'd be willing to help out with something like that.


However, somebody that does a fair bit of travelling for work or otherwise 
would probably be a good broker.


Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
CC 27 MkIII

-Original Message- 
From: Stu via CnC-List

Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Ball Caps

Seveeral months ago we stopped selling the Ball Caps and for several good
reasons.

Gladys, the embroidery queen, wore out her $2000 sewing machine and could
not justify replacing it.  I learned quite a few new words when she was
sewing the caps.

We were purchasing decent hats wholesale and the company dropped the line
and introduced a new line at almost twice the cost.

The Post Office increased the cost of shipping.  Shipping to the USA went
from $5.00 to almost $8.00.  To ship in Canada to the west coast it was
over $14.00.  Even having a commercial account with Canada Post, the costs
were outrageous.  Fedex, UPS and others out completely out of the picture.

Every time the costs went up, I tried to absorb it but eventually it was
costing us and Gladys got nothing for her frustrations.

I'll pursue the matter this summer and see if we can get a commercial
company to make the hats for us at a reasonable cost and see if there is a
shipping method that is affordable.

Now if you have someone who can handle a needle and thread, Gladys is
still doing the embroidered CC patches on another machine.  Get yourself
a hat and have someone sew the patch on for you.

I'll certainly look into the possibility of getting the hats back online.

Stu


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