Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage

2019-11-11 Thread Dave. via CnC-List
Be careful to understand your insurance policy. Lots of terms like “replacement 
value” or “agreed value” or “new for old” have different definitions. See the 
definitions section of your policy. Sometimes the “agreed value” provision 
applies only in the case of a total loss while a “depreciated value” provision 
is applied in case of a partial loss. If you purchase your insurance from a 
“marine” broker or even a “marine” agent you should be able to get straight 
answers about how claims will be handled but if you are buying your insurance 
from the same person you are buying your home owners or auto coverage you may 
find the broker/agent less knowledgeable about your yacht/boat policy because 
it’s a very different product. And remember that a “broker” works for you while 
an “agent” works for the insurance company. Property/casualty insurances are 
regulated by your state’s insurance commissioner while a true “ marine” policy 
falls under federal jurisdiction. A lower price often equates to less coverage. 
I suggest you be very careful here. Just my opinion. 
Dave. Kaseler
SLY 1975 C 33



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> On Nov 11, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have agreed upon value with Allstate.  Straight-up agreed-upon value 
> coverage, 35-40% cheaper than Boat US and Geico.  (Geico's been insuring my 
> cars since the 90's but they wouldn't  / couldn't compete with Allstate.) 
> 
> I'm on an inland lake / that most likely makes a difference.  
> Your actual mileage may vary. 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five" 
> Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-11 Thread Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List
You'll want to look very closely for issues related to depreciation.  If you 
have a policy in PDF format, you can do a search on words like "depreciate" 
"depreciation" and 20%" and you should find it.  

Bruce Whitmore

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On Monday, November 11, 2019, 4:18:10 PM EST, Allen Miles via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I have agreed hull value with BoatUS.  I don't remember seeing a change in 
coverage.
Allen MilesS/v SeptimaC 30-2
Hampton, VA

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 4:39 PM David Risch via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat 
coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO as 
their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.  Reimbursement 
coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.  Depreciated 
coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats would only receive 
20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I learned of this and I still 
pay the same premium.

 

I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue after 
a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement carrier, let me 
know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy. 
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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-11 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
The change was that things other than the agreed upon hull value depreciate for 
older boats.  I saw the new provision in my GEICO policy after this list 
alerted me to it.

From: Allen Miles via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 4:17 PM
To: CNC 
Cc: Allen Miles 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated 
coverage...

I have agreed hull value with BoatUS.  I don't remember seeing a change in 
coverage.

Allen Miles
S/v Septima
C 30-2

Hampton, VA


On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 4:39 PM David Risch via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat 
coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO as 
their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.  Reimbursement 
coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.  Depreciated 
coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats would only receive 
20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I learned of this and I still 
pay the same premium. 



  I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue 
after a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement carrier, 
let me know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy.  

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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-11 Thread Allen Miles via CnC-List
I have agreed hull value with BoatUS.  I don't remember seeing a change in
coverage.

Allen Miles
S/v Septima
C 30-2
Hampton, VA

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 4:39 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat
> coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO
> as their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.
> Reimbursement coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.
> Depreciated coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats
> would only receive 20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I
> learned of this and I still pay the same premium.
>
>
>
> I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue
> after a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement
> carrier, let me know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy.
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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage

2019-11-11 Thread Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List
You shouldconfirm how salvage is treated.  That can be a real shock.  Also, you 
should confirm if pollution from a sinking or spillage is covered.
Hoping you find this helpful, 

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On Monday, November 11, 2019, 3:30:01 PM EST, Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I have agreed upon value with Allstate.  Straight-up agreed-upon value 
coverage, 35-40% cheaper than Boat US and Geico.  (Geico's been insuring my 
cars since the 90's but they wouldn't  / couldn't compete with Allstate.) 
I'm on an inland lake / that most likely makes a difference.  Your actual 
mileage may vary. 

-Francois Rivard1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, 
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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-11 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List
You were that boat I saw! 

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Bill Coleman

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sv Rebecca 
Leah via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 12:42 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: sv Rebecca Leah
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated 
coverage...

 

I have Red Shield, no problems on claim when I hit a bridge. Don't ask. 

 

 

 

Doug Mountjoy 

Sv Rebecca Leah 

C LF39

253-208-1412

Port Orchard YC wa.

 

 Original message 

From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List"  

Date: 11/10/19 17:10 (GMT-08:00) 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford"  

Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated 
coverage... 

 

It is also why I switched to Travelers.

 

From: Joe Della <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  Barba via CnC-List 

Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:43 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Joe Della Barba <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>  

Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated 
coverage...

 

This is why I just switched to Progressive. How the  does STAINLESS STEEL 
depreciate?

Joe

Coquina

 

 

On 11/10/2019 5:36 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote:

Geico marine insurance is depreciating my anchor roller, blow pulpit and 
stanchions by 80% because they say those parts are from 1985...

 

 

 

Thanks,  

Danny

 

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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-11 Thread sv Rebecca Leah via CnC-List
I have Red Shield, no problems on claim when I hit a bridge. Don't ask. Doug 
Mountjoy Sv Rebecca Leah C LF39253-208-1412Port Orchard YC wa.
 Original message From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" 
 Date: 11/10/19  17:10  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford"  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage... 


It is also why I switched to Travelers.


 

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joe 
Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. 
depreciated coverage...
 

This is why I just switched to Progressive. How the  does STAINLESS STEEL 
depreciate?
Joe
Coquina
 
 
On 11/10/2019 5:36 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
wrote:

  Geico marine insurance is depreciating my anchor roller, blow pulpit and 
  stanchions by 80% because they say those parts are from 1985...
   
   
   
  Thanks,  
  Danny


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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-10 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
After this discussion emerged on this list a year or two ago, I contacted GEICO 
(which had become the Boat US insurer) and asked whether, if I were dismasted, 
the depreciation would apply.  They looked into it and replied yes.  As I 
recall, there was a 20% floor.  In other words, if I got dismasted, I would 
have to pay 80% of the replacement cost.  I have a 42 foot boat with a 60 foot 
mast.  I was on the phone to Travelers that day.

From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:27 PM
To: C 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated 
coverage...

I have Geico Insurance through BoatUS. Agreed value is agreed value. They only 
depreciate items that are depreciable, like sails or the engine. A couple of 
years ago, my boom cracked after getting hung up on a crab pot. Geico paid the 
full cost of replacing the boom - parts and labor, with no depreciation. I 
suspect your new insurance company's policy does the same thing.


Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 1:39 PM David Risch via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat 
coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO as 
their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.  Reimbursement 
coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.  Depreciated 
coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats would only receive 
20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I learned of this and I still 
pay the same premium. 



  I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue 
after a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement carrier, 
let me know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy.  

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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-10 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
It is also why I switched to Travelers.

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated 
coverage...

This is why I just switched to Progressive. How the  does STAINLESS STEEL 
depreciate?

Joe

Coquina





On 11/10/2019 5:36 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote:

  Geico marine insurance is depreciating my anchor roller, blow pulpit and 
stanchions by 80% because they say those parts are from 1985...



  Thanks,  
  Danny





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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-10 Thread ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List
Speak to a supervisor. There should be no depreciation for those parts.

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 2:37 PM Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Geico marine insurance is depreciating my anchor roller, blow pulpit and
> stanchions by 80% because they say those parts are from 1985...
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Danny
>
>  Original message 
> From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
> Date: 11/10/19 5:27 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: C 
> Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated
> coverage...
>
> I have Geico Insurance through BoatUS. Agreed value is agreed value. They
> only depreciate items that are depreciable, like sails or the engine. A
> couple of years ago, my boom cracked after getting hung up on a crab pot.
> Geico paid the full cost of replacing the boom - parts and labor, with no
> depreciation. I suspect your new insurance company's policy does the same
> thing.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 1:39 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat
>> coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO
>> as their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.
>> Reimbursement coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.
>> Depreciated coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats
>> would only receive 20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I
>> learned of this and I still pay the same premium.
>>
>>
>>
>> I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue
>> after a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement
>> carrier, let me know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy.
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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-10 Thread Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
This is why I just switched to Progressive. How the  does STAINLESS 
STEEL depreciate?


Joe

Coquina



On 11/10/2019 5:36 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote:
Geico marine insurance is depreciating my anchor roller, blow pulpit 
and stanchions by 80% because they say those parts are from 1985...




Thanks,
Danny

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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-10 Thread Danny Haughey via CnC-List
Geico marine insurance is depreciating my anchor roller, blow pulpit and 
stanchions by 80% because they say those parts are from 1985...Thanks, Danny
 Original message From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/10/19  5:27 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: C 
 Cc: ALAN BERGEN  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage... I have 
Geico Insurance through BoatUS. Agreed value is agreed value. They only 
depreciate items that are depreciable, like sails or the engine. A couple of 
years ago, my boom cracked after getting hung up on a crab pot. Geico paid the 
full cost of replacing the boom - parts and labor, with no depreciation. I 
suspect your new insurance company's policy does the same thing.Alan Bergen35 
Mk III ThirstyRose City YCPortland, OROn Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 1:39 PM David 
Risch via CnC-List  wrote:







I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat 
coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO as 
their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.  Reimbursement 
coverage
 pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.  Depreciated coverage drops 
to 20% over time to where most of our boats would only receive 20% of fixing 
damages!   I switched coverage when I learned of this and I still pay the same 
premium.

 
I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue after 
a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement carrier, let me 
know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy. 




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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-10 Thread ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List
I have Geico Insurance through BoatUS. Agreed value is agreed value. They
only depreciate items that are depreciable, like sails or the engine. A
couple of years ago, my boom cracked after getting hung up on a crab pot.
Geico paid the full cost of replacing the boom - parts and labor, with no
depreciation. I suspect your new insurance company's policy does the same
thing.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 1:39 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat
> coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO
> as their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.
> Reimbursement coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.
> Depreciated coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats
> would only receive 20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I
> learned of this and I still pay the same premium.
>
>
>
> I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue
> after a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement
> carrier, let me know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy.
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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-10 Thread Danny Haughey via CnC-List
It's actually only on parts you can't prove are not over 20 years old.  Then 
the parts reimbursement starts dropping off.  Labor is covered 100%Thanks, Danny
 Original message From: David Risch via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/10/19  4:39 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Risch  Subject: Stus-List 
Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage... 

I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat 
coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO as 
their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.  Reimbursement 
coverage
 pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.  Depreciated coverage drops 
to 20% over time to where most of our boats would only receive 20% of fixing 
damages!   I switched coverage when I learned of this and I still pay the same 
premium.

 
I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue after 
a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement carrier, let me 
know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy. 




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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

2019-11-10 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
I got North American Specialty Insurance Company - agreed value.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 3:39 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat
> coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO
> as their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.
> Reimbursement coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.
> Depreciated coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats
> would only receive 20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I
> learned of this and I still pay the same premium.
>
>
>
> I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue
> after a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement
> carrier, let me know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy.
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