Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge?
PHRF cheat weight. Buddy of mine found about 150# of lead hidden under the floor of his boat after he bought it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, tim via CnC-List wrote: > Hi, > > > >I am cleaning out my bilge, and tightening the keel bolts. In doing > the cleanout, I found a chuck of shaped lead (probably 20#) towards the > front of the bilge area. It is not attached to anything. It is angled to > fit in the bilge. Just curious if anyone may know the purpose of the chunk? > > > > Thanks for your thoughts. > > > > Tim W. > > 1976 29’ Mk1 > > s/v Sly Fox > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge?
My Peterson 41 had 1200 # of lead in the bilge. When I checked on the PHRF history I found that the boat was penalized 3 seconds a mile when it was added. I removed the lead and was penalized another 3 seconds a mile. H Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > PHRF cheat weight. > > Buddy of mine found about 150# of lead hidden under the floor of his boat > after he bought it. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, tim via CnC-List > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >>I am cleaning out my bilge, and tightening the keel bolts. In doing >> the cleanout, I found a chuck of shaped lead (probably 20#) towards the >> front of the bilge area. It is not attached to anything. It is angled to >> fit in the bilge. Just curious if anyone may know the purpose of the chunk? >> >> >> >> Thanks for your thoughts. >> >> >> >> Tim W. >> >> 1976 29’ Mk1 >> >> s/v Sly Fox >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge?
Tim, If your boat was ever measured for a one design racing a small amount of correction weight may have been added. Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle [Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of tim via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 4:46 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? Hi, I am cleaning out my bilge, and tightening the keel bolts. In doing the cleanout, I found a chuck of shaped lead (probably 20#) towards the front of the bilge area. It is not attached to anything. It is angled to fit in the bilge. Just curious if anyone may know the purpose of the chunk? Thanks for your thoughts. Tim W. 1976 29' Mk1 s/v Sly Fox ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge?
I go with the addition of weight to make a one-design target. Not sure why on a 29, but On a non C&C boat I raced on (one of the earlier ones of that make built) there was 180 pounds of lead in the aft portion - to make the minimum - because the later boats were built differently and weighed more. And the story of having weight added and losing seconds and then taking it out and losing more - a friend had an Andrews 26 with an inboard. It died, they removed it and replaced it with an outboard - thus losing the prop, strut, heavy motor, shaft, etc. And got a 3 second help in the PHRF department! Go figure! Gary - Original Message - From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: tim ; CnClist Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? PHRF cheat weight. Buddy of mine found about 150# of lead hidden under the floor of his boat after he bought it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, tim via CnC-List wrote: Hi, I am cleaning out my bilge, and tightening the keel bolts. In doing the cleanout, I found a chuck of shaped lead (probably 20#) towards the front of the bilge area. It is not attached to anything. It is angled to fit in the bilge. Just curious if anyone may know the purpose of the chunk? Thanks for your thoughts. Tim W. 1976 29’ Mk1 s/v Sly Fox ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge?
The 29 mkI is notoriously tender, at least for the "back in the days" standards. There is one racing here that added 200 pounds with a home made bulb kit (a shoe) to the keel. And i can tell you that this boat is very fast at all points of sail and winning on a regular basis, ok more than me... even with th PHRF penalty. Well worth it in my opinion for this particular design. He can keep more sail in a blow and this boat with its wide and flat shape kind of pops out of the water. Very impressive and must be one of the hull design that could be easier to surf than other. A boat ahead of its time in my opinion, but reduce sail early or add weight! Bruno Bécassine, 87 33MKII New-richmond, Qc To: capt...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:42:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com I go with the addition of weight to make a one-design target. Not sure why on a 29, but On a non C&C boat I raced on (one of the earlier ones of that make built) there was 180 pounds of lead in the aft portion - to make the minimum - because the later boats were built differently and weighed more. And the story of having weight added and losing seconds and then taking it out and losing more - a friend had an Andrews 26 with an inboard. It died, they removed it and replaced it with an outboard - thus losing the prop, strut, heavy motor, shaft, etc. And got a 3 second help in the PHRF department! Go figure! Gary - Original Message - From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: tim ; CnClist Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? PHRF cheat weight. Buddy of mine found about 150# of lead hidden under the floor of his boat after he bought it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, tim via CnC-List wrote: Hi, I am cleaning out my bilge, and tightening the keel bolts. In doing the cleanout, I found a chuck of shaped lead (probably 20#) towards the front of the bilge area. It is not attached to anything. It is angled to fit in the bilge. Just curious if anyone may know the purpose of the chunk? Thanks for your thoughts. Tim W. 1976 29’ Mk1 s/v Sly Fox ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge?
The changes made to the C&C27 with the mark III version, including reducing the keel by 400 pounds, resulted in a similar sailing boat I think. I usually raced double handed, and could never get it to point when the wind picked up. Worked great in light air. Finally in the last race of the season, and in the last year that I did much racing, I had 4 crew for rail meat on a windy day. What a difference that made! I can only conclude that the design was optimised for fully crewed boats. Steve Thomas C&C27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON P.S. Hauled the boat on Monday. - Original Message - From: Bruno Lachance via CnC-List To: Gary Nylander ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? The 29 mkI is notoriously tender, at least for the "back in the days" standards. There is one racing here that added 200 pounds with a home made bulb kit (a shoe) to the keel. And i can tell you that this boat is very fast at all points of sail and winning on a regular basis, ok more than me... even with th PHRF penalty. Well worth it in my opinion for this particular design. He can keep more sail in a blow and this boat with its wide and flat shape kind of pops out of the water. Very impressive and must be one of the hull design that could be easier to surf than other. A boat ahead of its time in my opinion, but reduce sail early or add weight! Bruno Bécassine, 87 33MKII New-richmond, Qc -- To: capt...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:42:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com I go with the addition of weight to make a one-design target. Not sure why on a 29, but On a non C&C boat I raced on (one of the earlier ones of that make built) there was 180 pounds of lead in the aft portion - to make the minimum - because the later boats were built differently and weighed more. And the story of having weight added and losing seconds and then taking it out and losing more - a friend had an Andrews 26 with an inboard. It died, they removed it and replaced it with an outboard - thus losing the prop, strut, heavy motor, shaft, etc. And got a 3 second help in the PHRF department! Go figure! Gary - Original Message - From: Dennis C. via CnC-List To: tim ; CnClist Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Chunk of shaped lead in the bilge? PHRF cheat weight. Buddy of mine found about 150# of lead hidden under the floor of his boat after he bought it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, tim via CnC-List wrote: Hi, I am cleaning out my bilge, and tightening the keel bolts. In doing the cleanout, I found a chuck of shaped lead (probably 20#) towards the front of the bilge area. It is not attached to anything. It is angled to fit in the bilge. Just curious if anyone may know the purpose of the chunk? Thanks for your thoughts. Tim W. 1976 29’ Mk1 s/v Sly Fox ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
