Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel brake.
John : where are you located? I have my old pedestal that you could have the brake off Sent from Joe Bognar > On May 24, 2014, at 7:13 PM, JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List > wrote: > > > Anyone have a used one for sale? C&C 27 Mk III. > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake & Relining Brakes
Rob, I just removed the Edson brakes and steering cables/chain from my steering system this past Sunday. And it was near exactly as described by Graham. The hardest part was removing the seized flathead screws. With a little PB Blaster, some perseverance, and a lot of hammer-twisting on an old hand impact driver (like the one at http://tinyurl.com/q823uja ) I was able to get the screws out. I will surely use never-seize putting the screws back in. This little impact driver has saved me on several occasions. The removal of the brakes took just a few minutes at this point. To add to Graham's comments, there is a special-sized washer on the brake shaft toward the knob side of the last brake pad. This washer is critical in making the brakes work. It turns out this washer was missing on my brake system, and that my brake pads are fine. Try not to lose this washer or be very cautious when installing a replacement. I called Edson trying to buy the little washer, but they insisted on sending a few washers out to me for free. As many have suggested, stuff rags down the pedestal, but I plan to tie dental floss on this bugger to aid in its installation too. As for brake replacements, the kits go for about $77 online(Defender). I have read online of folks relining these pads. Edson even sells a relining kit but it costs about the same ($80 Jamestown Distributers). Following the success of other, I planned on relining the pads myself. As it looks I will only need the washer, but if the pads do need replacing in the future I surely reline them myself. It Looks like fun and for less than $10 one could reline several sets(help out a buddy). For completeness I included material list and Edson's instructions below. Materials - McMaster-Carr brake liner metal-free 3/16"T 1-1/4"W 6175K812$3.91/ft http://www.mcmaster.com/#brake-lining/=s2sqod - Loctite Black Max Adhesive (or epoxy) Brake Lining Replacement Instructions (from Edson EB355_689BrakeInstall.PDF) 1. Remove old brake pads. Clean legs with solvent. 2. Bond new pads to brake legs with generous amounts of supplied adhesive or two-part epoxy. 3. Clamp brake legs around a pipe approximately 1 1/2" in diameter while the adhesive cures so that the new pads conform to the shape of the legs. 4. After adhesive has cured, trim brake pads along edges of brake leges with a band saw or hack saw. 5. Reinstall brake components as described inside and check operation before installing cotter pin. 6. If brake does not clamp properly, check that washer has been installed between shaft shoulder and A743 starboard brake leg. - Paul E. 1981 C&C Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On May 22, 2014, at 12:54 AM, via CnC-List wrote: > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 23:06:48 -0300 > From: Graham Collins via CnC-List > To: Robert Abbott , cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed > > Hi Rob > Pretty easy job if the screws come out easily. If they are seized... > 1) remove the throttle / shift lever assembly if you have one - you will > have to pull the pins connecting the levers to the forks on the cables. > Small needlenose pliers are good. And remove the plate holding the > pedestal guard. > 2) on the end of the brake locking shaft down inside there is a cotter > pin, you have to get that off. needlenose pliers or needlenose vice grips. > 3) remove the plate on top (two screws at the forward edge of the metal > plate that retains the upper ends of the brake pads). > 4) hold the left pad with vicegrips or pliers, and turn the brake knob > to unscrew it off of the threaded shaft. Remove left pad > 5) hold the right pad and pull out the brake knob, the right pad slides > on/off. > > That's pretty much it. If you want a hand some evening, I work for > beer... :-) > > Graham Collins > Secret Plans > C&C 35-III #11 > > On 2014-05-21 7:17 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List wrote: >> Has anyone installed an Edson Wheel Brake Replacement Kit? >> >> When I remove the Danforth compass and look down at where the new kit >> should go, I wonder if this is a DIY job? >> >> Reminds me of replacing my mixing elbow.if you were doing it on a >> work bench, no big deal.doing it in the constricted space is a >> challenge. >> >> If anyone has done it or knows how to do it, what happens after the >> compass is removed? Any and all advice welcomed. >> >> Rob Abbott >> AZURA >&g
Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake
Ouch, that kit is 89.95 at the binnacle now. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Graham, > > Thank you for your offer of assistance.if I decide to do this job, I > will take you up on your offer and if it is any consolation, I don't work > unless there is 'beer', so you have no worries. > > Jim, I bought the Edson Wheel Brake Repair Kit at the Binnacle here and it > cost $69.95..when I look at what I got (two pads, a little plastic > pipe, a washer, a cotter pin and some Locktite) I don't know why it is that > price. What you paid seems more reasonable. > > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > On 2014/05/21 11:06 PM, Graham Collins wrote: > >> Hi Rob >> Pretty easy job if the screws come out easily. If they are seized... >> 1) remove the throttle / shift lever assembly if you have one - you will >> have to pull the pins connecting the levers to the forks on the cables. >> Small needlenose pliers are good. And remove the plate holding the >> pedestal guard. >> 2) on the end of the brake locking shaft down inside there is a cotter >> pin, you have to get that off. needlenose pliers or needlenose vice grips. >> 3) remove the plate on top (two screws at the forward edge of the metal >> plate that retains the upper ends of the brake pads). >> 4) hold the left pad with vicegrips or pliers, and turn the brake knob to >> unscrew it off of the threaded shaft. Remove left pad >> 5) hold the right pad and pull out the brake knob, the right pad slides >> on/off. >> >> That's pretty much it. If you want a hand some evening, I work for >> beer... :-) >> >> Graham Collins >> Secret Plans >> C&C 35-III #11 >> >> On 2014-05-21 7:17 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List wrote: >> >>> Has anyone installed an Edson Wheel Brake Replacement Kit? >>> >>> When I remove the Danforth compass and look down at where the new kit >>> should go, I wonder if this is a DIY job? >>> >>> Reminds me of replacing my mixing elbow.if you were doing it on a >>> work bench, no big deal.doing it in the constricted space is a >>> challenge. >>> >>> If anyone has done it or knows how to do it, what happens after the >>> compass is removed? Any and all advice welcomed. >>> >>> Rob Abbott >>> AZURA >>> C&C 32 - 84 >>> Halifax, N.S. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake
Rob, I just did it last weekend while I was changing the shift and throttle cables. I had to remove the brake so I could slide the chain all the way forward to get the cables changed. Re-installing the brake was easy by comparison. As Sylvain and others have mentioned, after removing the compass, also remove the next layer of the pedestal to make access easier. It's very easy to put the pieces of the brake in - the wheel and shaft just screw into the port brake piece. I pulled a piece of twine through the eye of the cotter pin so that if I dropped the pin while installing it, it would not disappear down the pedestal. Then just pull the twine out when the legs on the pin are properly bent. It all went fairly smoothly. Eric Frank Cat's Paw C&C 35 Mk II Mattapoisett, MA > Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 18:56:31 -0700 (PDT) > From: Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List > To: Robert Abbott , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake > Message-ID: > <1400723791.69954.yahoomail...@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Yes, I did it 2-3 years ago on my Edson 335 , no specific issues except to > make sure the roller bearings and chain links? grease have no chance to > contaminate the brake pad lining. I think the big issue was putting the > cotter pin . make sure you have 1? ( or better 2 ) layers of rags under the > shaft assembly, some parts are pretty small! > > Sylvain > C&C27 MkIII > > > > > > From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:17 PM > Subject: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake > > > Has anyone installed an Edson Wheel Brake Replacement Kit? > > When I remove the Danforth compass and look down at where the new kit > should go, I wonder if this is a DIY job? > > Reminds me of replacing my mixing elbow.if you were doing it on a > work bench, no big deal.doing it in the constricted space is a > challenge. > > If anyone has done it or knows how to do it, what happens after the > compass is removed?? Any and all advice welcomed. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake
Excellent. I may take you up on that. I should have bought the brake repair kit when I was at West, I think it was $23 or something. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 21 May 2014 19:06, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote: > Hi Rob > Pretty easy job if the screws come out easily. If they are seized... > 1) remove the throttle / shift lever assembly if you have one - you will > have to pull the pins connecting the levers to the forks on the cables. > Small needlenose pliers are good. And remove the plate holding the > pedestal guard. > 2) on the end of the brake locking shaft down inside there is a cotter > pin, you have to get that off. needlenose pliers or needlenose vice grips. > 3) remove the plate on top (two screws at the forward edge of the metal > plate that retains the upper ends of the brake pads). > 4) hold the left pad with vicegrips or pliers, and turn the brake knob to > unscrew it off of the threaded shaft. Remove left pad > 5) hold the right pad and pull out the brake knob, the right pad slides > on/off. > > That's pretty much it. If you want a hand some evening, I work for > beer... :-) > > Graham Collins > Secret Plans > C&C 35-III #11 > > > On 2014-05-21 7:17 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List wrote: > >> Has anyone installed an Edson Wheel Brake Replacement Kit? >> >> When I remove the Danforth compass and look down at where the new kit >> should go, I wonder if this is a DIY job? >> >> Reminds me of replacing my mixing elbow.if you were doing it on a >> work bench, no big deal.doing it in the constricted space is a >> challenge. >> >> If anyone has done it or knows how to do it, what happens after the >> compass is removed? Any and all advice welcomed. >> >> Rob Abbott >> AZURA >> C&C 32 - 84 >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake
I added a brake to my pedestal when I first bought the boat, but that was 15 years ago. Don't remember what was involved, but I know I didn't have any problems. I'd remember if there were issues. Chris Price Pradel 35 MK I - Original Message - From: "Robert Abbott via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:17:42 PM Subject: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake Has anyone installed an Edson Wheel Brake Replacement Kit? When I remove the Danforth compass and look down at where the new kit should go, I wonder if this is a DIY job? Reminds me of replacing my mixing elbow.if you were doing it on a work bench, no big deal.doing it in the constricted space is a challenge. If anyone has done it or knows how to do it, what happens after the compass is removed? Any and all advice welcomed. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake
Hi Rob Pretty easy job if the screws come out easily. If they are seized... 1) remove the throttle / shift lever assembly if you have one - you will have to pull the pins connecting the levers to the forks on the cables. Small needlenose pliers are good. And remove the plate holding the pedestal guard. 2) on the end of the brake locking shaft down inside there is a cotter pin, you have to get that off. needlenose pliers or needlenose vice grips. 3) remove the plate on top (two screws at the forward edge of the metal plate that retains the upper ends of the brake pads). 4) hold the left pad with vicegrips or pliers, and turn the brake knob to unscrew it off of the threaded shaft. Remove left pad 5) hold the right pad and pull out the brake knob, the right pad slides on/off. That's pretty much it. If you want a hand some evening, I work for beer... :-) Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2014-05-21 7:17 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List wrote: Has anyone installed an Edson Wheel Brake Replacement Kit? When I remove the Danforth compass and look down at where the new kit should go, I wonder if this is a DIY job? Reminds me of replacing my mixing elbow.if you were doing it on a work bench, no big deal.doing it in the constricted space is a challenge. If anyone has done it or knows how to do it, what happens after the compass is removed? Any and all advice welcomed. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake
Yes, I did it 2-3 years ago on my Edson 335 , no specific issues except to make sure the roller bearings and chain links grease have no chance to contaminate the brake pad lining. I think the big issue was putting the cotter pin . make sure you have 1 ( or better 2 ) layers of rags under the shaft assembly, some parts are pretty small! Sylvain C&C27 MkIII From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:17 PM Subject: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake Has anyone installed an Edson Wheel Brake Replacement Kit? When I remove the Danforth compass and look down at where the new kit should go, I wonder if this is a DIY job? Reminds me of replacing my mixing elbow.if you were doing it on a work bench, no big deal.doing it in the constricted space is a challenge. If anyone has done it or knows how to do it, what happens after the compass is removed? Any and all advice welcomed. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake
Rob, I have to tackle the same job on my 32. If I get to it before you I'll be sure to send you pics. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I didn't have to do it but could have when I was replacing the shift and > throttle control cables. I don't recall anything besides the tight space. > On mine there is a shift lever "block" between the compass and the > pedistal. It is removable after disconnecting the control cables. > Removing it makes everything easier. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > On May 21, 2014 6:17 PM, "Robert Abbott via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Has anyone installed an Edson Wheel Brake Replacement Kit? >> >> When I remove the Danforth compass and look down at where the new kit >> should go, I wonder if this is a DIY job? >> >> Reminds me of replacing my mixing elbow.if you were doing it on a >> work bench, no big deal.doing it in the constricted space is a >> challenge. >> >> If anyone has done it or knows how to do it, what happens after the >> compass is removed? Any and all advice welcomed. >> >> Rob Abbott >> AZURA >> C&C 32 - 84 >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Edson Wheel Brake
I didn't have to do it but could have when I was replacing the shift and throttle control cables. I don't recall anything besides the tight space. On mine there is a shift lever "block" between the compass and the pedistal. It is removable after disconnecting the control cables. Removing it makes everything easier. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On May 21, 2014 6:17 PM, "Robert Abbott via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Has anyone installed an Edson Wheel Brake Replacement Kit? > > When I remove the Danforth compass and look down at where the new kit > should go, I wonder if this is a DIY job? > > Reminds me of replacing my mixing elbow.if you were doing it on a work > bench, no big deal.doing it in the constricted space is a challenge. > > If anyone has done it or knows how to do it, what happens after the > compass is removed? Any and all advice welcomed. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
