Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Dave, I like the EZjack system. The fact that it can be retracted relatively easily is a real advantage to me. Since my mast is on the bench at the moment it should be an easy installation. My rigger (Frank Colanery) at Bay Sailing Equipment will have it soon to go through everything and hopefully install a tube in the mast so I can re-wire it. I’ll mention it to him, too. Thanks for sharing. As always this list is a wealth of information. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:32 AM To: David Knecht; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Someone asked how the Dutchman flaking system got its name. It was invented by Martin Van Breems now of Norwalk CT (Sound Sailing Center) but from his name presumably of Dutch origins -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Feb 24, 2015, at 08:19, David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: On my last boat, I installed a set of EZJax (http://www.ezjax.com). They were less expensive than the Harken and the setup was well designed. It is not hard to do it yourself, but getting all the lengths and positions right will take some careful measurements and probably several tries. I decided that having someone experienced design the right sized system for my mast and sail was worth the small extra investment. EZ-jax also had a nice setup for retracting the lines, which makes it easier to hoist the sail. That said, I am installing a Mack Pack/lazyjack on my current boat this spring if the ice and snow melt before the sailing season is over. I liked their combination of lazy jacks and sail cover. The setup that came with my boat was poorly designed and a pain to use. It shows me that while you can cobble something together that sort of works (what the boat came with), it does not make life easier unless it works well. Dave On Feb 23, 2015, at 11:27 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Burt, Only the Lazy Jacks don't require changes to your main sail. Both stack pack and the Dutchman system might require a completely new main (or major modifications to it) or a new sail cover. You can buy the Harken set or what I would suggest, assemble your own kit. This is not an overly complicated task. Fortunately, Harken and many others publish pretty good pictures and diagrams which you can use. A few points that you might find useful: - If you make your own set, be prepared that the amount of line required for the lazy jacks is way more than you would ever imagine. If I remember correctly I needed over 70 ft for a single Y system (two lines going to the boom). I eventually switched to three lines to the boom and it was around 100 ft. Keep in mind that it is usually much easier to cut the line than to make it longer (;-). - If it works for you, consider attaching the top end of the lazy jacks to the spreaders (10-15 cm/4-6 from the mast). This would make raising the sail much easier as the slot between the lines would be wider. - Many would say that using stainless steel rings, instead of little blocks is fine. My experience showed that the SS rings almost cut through the line (chafe) in one season. YMMV. - And lastly, if the cost of the Harken set seems prohibitive, but you are not feeling like assembling the set yourself, you should be able to find something in a local chandlery or on-line. For comparison, e.g. Sailboat Owners sells the Harken kit for around $360, but Catalina Direct sells a similar set (not brand name) for about $210. The fact that it is Catalina Direct does not mean that the set would not be useful, because there is nothing specific about the lazy jacks; it is just a few pieces of hardware, a piece of line and a few blocks. A kit like that has an advantage, because it comes with all screws, bolts, drill bits, taps, Tef-gel and instructions. Guessing from how you asked you question, you might not have too much experience with boat work, so a kit like that might be an easier way to tackle the job. Good luck Marek (in cold Ottawa) Btw. It was so cold tonight (around -25 - -27 C at the hill, plus the wind-chill) that the local ski hill closed; second time this year! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: February-23-15 21:07 To: 'Dennis C.'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Dennis, Believe it or not I used that method out of desperation. I was admittedly a little embarrassed. I thought I was just demonstrating my lack of experience. I was also pretty happy with the result. I appreciate knowing otherwise. Newport has some pretty accomplished (and judgmental) sailors. There have been times I just gave up on the main and sailed with head sail only. This list is invaluable. Thanks I will look into the lazy
Re: Stus-List Furling the main
On my last boat, I installed a set of EZJax (http://www.ezjax.com). They were less expensive than the Harken and the setup was well designed. It is not hard to do it yourself, but getting all the lengths and positions right will take some careful measurements and probably several tries. I decided that having someone experienced design the right sized system for my mast and sail was worth the small extra investment. EZ-jax also had a nice setup for retracting the lines, which makes it easier to hoist the sail. That said, I am installing a Mack Pack/lazyjack on my current boat this spring if the ice and snow melt before the sailing season is over. I liked their combination of lazy jacks and sail cover. The setup that came with my boat was poorly designed and a pain to use. It shows me that while you can cobble something together that sort of works (what the boat came with), it does not make life easier unless it works well. Dave On Feb 23, 2015, at 11:27 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Burt, Only the Lazy Jacks don't require changes to your main sail. Both stack pack and the Dutchman system might require a completely new main (or major modifications to it) or a new sail cover. You can buy the Harken set or what I would suggest, assemble your own kit. This is not an overly complicated task. Fortunately, Harken and many others publish pretty good pictures and diagrams which you can use. A few points that you might find useful: - If you make your own set, be prepared that the amount of line required for the lazy jacks is way more than you would ever imagine. If I remember correctly I needed over 70 ft for a single Y system (two lines going to the boom). I eventually switched to three lines to the boom and it was around 100 ft. Keep in mind that it is usually much easier to cut the line than to make it longer (;-). - If it works for you, consider attaching the top end of the lazy jacks to the spreaders (10-15 cm/4-6 from the mast). This would make raising the sail much easier as the slot between the lines would be wider. - Many would say that using stainless steel rings, instead of little blocks is fine. My experience showed that the SS rings almost cut through the line (chafe) in one season. YMMV. - And lastly, if the cost of the Harken set seems prohibitive, but you are not feeling like assembling the set yourself, you should be able to find something in a local chandlery or on-line. For comparison, e.g. Sailboat Owners sells the Harken kit for around $360, but Catalina Direct sells a similar set (not brand name) for about $210. The fact that it is Catalina Direct does not mean that the set would not be useful, because there is nothing specific about the lazy jacks; it is just a few pieces of hardware, a piece of line and a few blocks. A kit like that has an advantage, because it comes with all screws, bolts, drill bits, taps, Tef-gel and instructions. Guessing from how you asked you question, you might not have too much experience with boat work, so a kit like that might be an easier way to tackle the job. Good luck Marek (in cold Ottawa) Btw. It was so cold tonight (around -25 - -27 C at the hill, plus the wind-chill) that the local ski hill closed; second time this year! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: February-23-15 21:07 To: 'Dennis C.'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Dennis, Believe it or not I used that method out of desperation. I was admittedly a little embarrassed. I thought I was just demonstrating my lack of experience. I was also pretty happy with the result. I appreciate knowing otherwise. Newport has some pretty accomplished (and judgmental) sailors. There have been times I just gave up on the main and sailed with head sail only. This list is invaluable. Thanks I will look into the lazy jack system. I think it would be a reasonable upgrade to my rig. I am having the entire rig inspected soon. The rigger is going to pick it up in March. I’ll speak to them about this. Hopefully it cost less than all new self-tailing winches. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:23 PM To: CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Burt, Lazy jacks, Dutchman systems, etc. are all nice. I've installed several Harken Lazy Jack systems. However, try this simple cost free solution. This is what I do when single handing. Release the halyard and let the sail drop. Put a couple sail ties around your neck. Stand on one side of the boom in the middle and throw the main to the other side. Then lean over the boom and roll the sail into itself. Continue until it's a compact roll. Wrap a sail tie around the rolled/bundled
Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Burt, It is likely the term you are looking for is lazy jacks. There are several type including a brand name known as Dutchman. If you look around the Harken web site you will find some good diagrams of common style lazy jacks. On Calypso we use the Harken type lazy jack set up with Harken Batt Cars and full battens to allow for single handed lowering of the main sail. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Furling the main This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind... and helpful I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of one's mains'l I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second as a topping lift. Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves... because we are sailors, after all) This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge. 1974 CC 33 - 3 quarter tonner On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow Walpole, MA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Burt, Lazy jacks. There are kits or you could DIY. Joel On Monday, February 23, 2015, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of one’s mains’l I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second as a topping lift. Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we are sailors, after all) This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge. 1974 CC 33 - 3 quarter tonner On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow Walpole, MA -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furling the main
I've marked my main's luff folding points with alternating red and green permanent markings. Over the years the main has learned that this is how it's going to happen. When lowering the main it's easy to instruct mixologian crew to put the green marks to their left (they're facing aft). This keeps Mister Mxyzptlk at bay. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Burt, Lazy-jacks, Stackpack (Doyle sails), Mack Pack... I'm having my Stackpack replaced this winter, makes life a lot easier when solo, or with mixologists. Chuck Elusive CC 34 *508-642-3557* On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of one’s mains’l I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second as a topping lift. Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we are sailors, after all) This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge. 1974 CC 33 - 3 quarter tonner On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow Walpole, MA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Burt, Only the Lazy Jacks don't require changes to your main sail. Both stack pack and the Dutchman system might require a completely new main (or major modifications to it) or a new sail cover. You can buy the Harken set or what I would suggest, assemble your own kit. This is not an overly complicated task. Fortunately, Harken and many others publish pretty good pictures and diagrams which you can use. A few points that you might find useful: - If you make your own set, be prepared that the amount of line required for the lazy jacks is way more than you would ever imagine. If I remember correctly I needed over 70 ft for a single Y system (two lines going to the boom). I eventually switched to three lines to the boom and it was around 100 ft. Keep in mind that it is usually much easier to cut the line than to make it longer (;-). - If it works for you, consider attaching the top end of the lazy jacks to the spreaders (10-15 cm/4-6 from the mast). This would make raising the sail much easier as the slot between the lines would be wider. - Many would say that using stainless steel rings, instead of little blocks is fine. My experience showed that the SS rings almost cut through the line (chafe) in one season. YMMV. - And lastly, if the cost of the Harken set seems prohibitive, but you are not feeling like assembling the set yourself, you should be able to find something in a local chandlery or on-line. For comparison, e.g. Sailboat Owners sells the Harken kit for around $360, but Catalina Direct sells a similar set (not brand name) for about $210. The fact that it is Catalina Direct does not mean that the set would not be useful, because there is nothing specific about the lazy jacks; it is just a few pieces of hardware, a piece of line and a few blocks. A kit like that has an advantage, because it comes with all screws, bolts, drill bits, taps, Tef-gel and instructions. Guessing from how you asked you question, you might not have too much experience with boat work, so a kit like that might be an easier way to tackle the job. Good luck Marek (in cold Ottawa) Btw. It was so cold tonight (around -25 - -27 C at the hill, plus the wind-chill) that the local ski hill closed; second time this year! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: February-23-15 21:07 To: 'Dennis C.'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Dennis, Believe it or not I used that method out of desperation. I was admittedly a little embarrassed. I thought I was just demonstrating my lack of experience. I was also pretty happy with the result. I appreciate knowing otherwise. Newport has some pretty accomplished (and judgmental) sailors. There have been times I just gave up on the main and sailed with head sail only. This list is invaluable. Thanks I will look into the lazy jack system. I think it would be a reasonable upgrade to my rig. I am having the entire rig inspected soon. The rigger is going to pick it up in March. I’ll speak to them about this. Hopefully it cost less than all new self-tailing winches. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:23 PM To: CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Burt, Lazy jacks, Dutchman systems, etc. are all nice. I've installed several Harken Lazy Jack systems. However, try this simple cost free solution. This is what I do when single handing. Release the halyard and let the sail drop. Put a couple sail ties around your neck. Stand on one side of the boom in the middle and throw the main to the other side. Then lean over the boom and roll the sail into itself. Continue until it's a compact roll. Wrap a sail tie around the rolled/bundled sail tying it to the boom. Once you're anchored or docked, undo the roll and flake it nicely. I heard this technique described as pocketing the main. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 mandeville, LA On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of one’s mains’l I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second as a topping lift. Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we are sailors, after all) This could be the answer to my primary concern
Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Dennis, Believe it or not I used that method out of desperation. I was admittedly a little embarrassed. I thought I was just demonstrating my lack of experience. I was also pretty happy with the result. I appreciate knowing otherwise. Newport has some pretty accomplished (and judgmental) sailors. There have been times I just gave up on the main and sailed with head sail only. This list is invaluable. Thanks I will look into the lazy jack system. I think it would be a reasonable upgrade to my rig. I am having the entire rig inspected soon. The rigger is going to pick it up in March. I’ll speak to them about this. Hopefully it cost less than all new self-tailing winches. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:23 PM To: CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Burt, Lazy jacks, Dutchman systems, etc. are all nice. I've installed several Harken Lazy Jack systems. However, try this simple cost free solution. This is what I do when single handing. Release the halyard and let the sail drop. Put a couple sail ties around your neck. Stand on one side of the boom in the middle and throw the main to the other side. Then lean over the boom and roll the sail into itself. Continue until it's a compact roll. Wrap a sail tie around the rolled/bundled sail tying it to the boom. Once you're anchored or docked, undo the roll and flake it nicely. I heard this technique described as pocketing the main. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 mandeville, LA On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of one’s mains’l I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second as a topping lift. Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we are sailors, after all) This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge. 1974 CC 33 - 3 quarter tonner On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow Walpole, MA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Burt, Lazy jacks, Dutchman systems, etc. are all nice. I've installed several Harken Lazy Jack systems. However, try this simple cost free solution. This is what I do when single handing. Release the halyard and let the sail drop. Put a couple sail ties around your neck. Stand on one side of the boom in the middle and throw the main to the other side. Then lean over the boom and roll the sail into itself. Continue until it's a compact roll. Wrap a sail tie around the rolled/bundled sail tying it to the boom. Once you're anchored or docked, undo the roll and flake it nicely. I heard this technique described as pocketing the main. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 mandeville, LA On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of one’s mains’l I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second as a topping lift. Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we are sailors, after all) This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge. 1974 CC 33 - 3 quarter tonner On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow Walpole, MA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Agree that lazy jacks are one way to make fueling the main easy. However I use a simple method whenever short handed or even fully crewed. Pass halyard with one turn around the winch to the helm. One crew goes to the mast and from in front of the mast facing after flakes the luff by pulling the rope bolt between the slides to alternate sides while the helm lets down the sail. With practice and coordination the sail can com down pretty fast. The leech is left to fall wherever. Once the sail is full down the person at the mast moves to the leech. And following the flakes at the luff, flakes the whole sail, putting sail ties on as he moves forward along the boom. Works well for me and the admiral on my 35mIII. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Feb 23, 2015, at 19:15, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of one’s mains’l I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second as a topping lift. Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we are sailors, after all) This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge. 1974 CC 33 - 3 quarter tonner On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow Walpole, MA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Thanks, Rick. Another upgrade on my list is “George”. My helm is a tiller so I think you can imagine how much fun it is to set or douse the main when single handing. The auto helm for my tiller will eliminate the need for an entire crew member. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:57 PM To: 'Indigo'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Burt, My Admiral (who is much more a “Landsman” than “Able Bodied Seaman”) and I basically use the system that Jonathan describes for dousing the sails on my 38. She steers (or minds George the autopilot) and eases the halyard while I flake the luff of the sail at the mast, and then move to the aft end of the boom to finish flaking and put on the sail ties. The system is more of a fire drill when I need to do it when alone (except for George). I ease the halyard a scosh as I come into the wind, and then set George. Half a turn on the cabin top winch to lead the halyard forward to the mast, and then I can lower and flake by myself. I got used to doing this on my 25, which has the halyard at the mast, and it’s actually fairly easy on a smaller boat. There are basically three systems to help you douse the main. Douse – not Furl. And each can actually become exasperating when raising the main if you are not dead into the wind as the sail starts up because the top battens in the main can get fouled under the lines and prevent the sail from going up. The most common system, and what you have most probably seen on other boats - is called Lazy Jacks. These are essentially small lines lead from partway up the mast to a point part way back on the boom, and outside the sail on either side. When the sail is lowered it sort of crumples down between the lines and stays more or less on top of the boom. You can flake it later at the dock, and it is best if you have a sail cover designed to accommodate the lazy jacks. System two is commonly called a stack pack. You see it pretty commonly on cruising catamarans. It is like a set of Lazy Jacks, except that your sail cover becomes the lower part of the lazy jack system, and you just stuff the sail down a bit and zip the sail cover closed over the top of the sail. The drawbacks are (1) that the sail has to be attached to the boom or sandwiched in between the two sides of the sail cover, so that you lose the sail shape you would get with a loose foot sail, and (2) the top of zipper on the top of the sail cover can get inconveniently high off the deck. I have friends with a stack pack on an Endevour 35, and they need to bring a 3 step kitchen ladder up on the cabin top to unzip or rezip the cover. The third system is called a Dutchman (wish I knew why). In this system you have a set of lines that run vertically from the topping lift to the top of the boom. Your sail has a set of cringles (holes) in it and the vertical lines weave from the port side of the sail to the starboard side of the sail as they go up. Then when you drop the sail, it slides down the lines and – in a perfect world – if flakes itself on the top of the mast. It works really cool if you install it when you get a new sail, so the sail gets a permanent set of creases along the flake. The drawbacks here are (1) that you must have a topping lift for the boom, (2) it’s a real PITA when the topping lift gets tangled in the backstay when you tack or gybe, and (3) you need to remember to play with the topping lift when you adjust outhaul, Cunningham, etc. to adjust sail shape in changing wind conditions. Rick Brass Imzadi CC 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo via CnC-List Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:56 PM To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Agree that lazy jacks are one way to make fueling the main easy. However I use a simple method whenever short handed or even fully crewed. Pass halyard with one turn around the winch to the helm. One crew goes to the mast and from in front of the mast facing after flakes the luff by pulling the rope bolt between the slides to alternate sides while the helm lets down the sail. With practice and coordination the sail can com down pretty fast. The leech is left to fall wherever. Once the sail is full down the person at the mast moves to the leech. And following the flakes at the luff, flakes the whole sail, putting sail ties on as he moves forward along the boom. Works well for me and the admiral on my 35mIII. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Feb 23, 2015, at 19:15, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me
Re: Stus-List Furling the main
Burt, My Admiral (who is much more a “Landsman” than “Able Bodied Seaman”) and I basically use the system that Jonathan describes for dousing the sails on my 38. She steers (or minds George the autopilot) and eases the halyard while I flake the luff of the sail at the mast, and then move to the aft end of the boom to finish flaking and put on the sail ties. The system is more of a fire drill when I need to do it when alone (except for George). I ease the halyard a scosh as I come into the wind, and then set George. Half a turn on the cabin top winch to lead the halyard forward to the mast, and then I can lower and flake by myself. I got used to doing this on my 25, which has the halyard at the mast, and it’s actually fairly easy on a smaller boat. There are basically three systems to help you douse the main. Douse – not Furl. And each can actually become exasperating when raising the main if you are not dead into the wind as the sail starts up because the top battens in the main can get fouled under the lines and prevent the sail from going up. The most common system, and what you have most probably seen on other boats - is called Lazy Jacks. These are essentially small lines lead from partway up the mast to a point part way back on the boom, and outside the sail on either side. When the sail is lowered it sort of crumples down between the lines and stays more or less on top of the boom. You can flake it later at the dock, and it is best if you have a sail cover designed to accommodate the lazy jacks. System two is commonly called a stack pack. You see it pretty commonly on cruising catamarans. It is like a set of Lazy Jacks, except that your sail cover becomes the lower part of the lazy jack system, and you just stuff the sail down a bit and zip the sail cover closed over the top of the sail. The drawbacks are (1) that the sail has to be attached to the boom or sandwiched in between the two sides of the sail cover, so that you lose the sail shape you would get with a loose foot sail, and (2) the top of zipper on the top of the sail cover can get inconveniently high off the deck. I have friends with a stack pack on an Endevour 35, and they need to bring a 3 step kitchen ladder up on the cabin top to unzip or rezip the cover. The third system is called a Dutchman (wish I knew why). In this system you have a set of lines that run vertically from the topping lift to the top of the boom. Your sail has a set of cringles (holes) in it and the vertical lines weave from the port side of the sail to the starboard side of the sail as they go up. Then when you drop the sail, it slides down the lines and – in a perfect world – if flakes itself on the top of the mast. It works really cool if you install it when you get a new sail, so the sail gets a permanent set of creases along the flake. The drawbacks here are (1) that you must have a topping lift for the boom, (2) it’s a real PITA when the topping lift gets tangled in the backstay when you tack or gybe, and (3) you need to remember to play with the topping lift when you adjust outhaul, Cunningham, etc. to adjust sail shape in changing wind conditions. Rick Brass Imzadi CC 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo via CnC-List Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:56 PM To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Agree that lazy jacks are one way to make fueling the main easy. However I use a simple method whenever short handed or even fully crewed. Pass halyard with one turn around the winch to the helm. One crew goes to the mast and from in front of the mast facing after flakes the luff by pulling the rope bolt between the slides to alternate sides while the helm lets down the sail. With practice and coordination the sail can com down pretty fast. The leech is left to fall wherever. Once the sail is full down the person at the mast moves to the leech. And following the flakes at the luff, flakes the whole sail, putting sail ties on as he moves forward along the boom. Works well for me and the admiral on my 35mIII. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Feb 23, 2015, at 19:15, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of one’s mains’l I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second as a topping lift. Mt
