Re: Stus-List where to begin.

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Correct.  Mine were not tinned.  I didn't replace with tinned; just used auto 
parts.  But the originals lasted 40yrs in fresh water so these should 
definitely outlast me.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


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Ron — were the conductors in the battery cables bare copper (not tinned)?  
There’s good chance that was the result of the batteries outgassing; the gas is 
corrosive.  That’s part of the reason (along with salt corrosion) that ABYC 
requires tinned strands in marine-grade wiring.
— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I'm in fresh water and was surprised to find corrosion in the wires of the 
battery cables many inches back from the terminals.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

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Re: Stus-List where to begin.

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Ron — were the conductors in the battery cables bare copper (not tinned)?  
There’s good chance that was the result of the batteries outgassing; the gas is 
corrosive.  That’s part of the reason (along with salt corrosion) that ABYC 
requires tinned strands in marine-grade wiring.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm in fresh water and was surprised to find corrosion in the wires of the 
> battery cables many inches back from the terminals.
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL

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Re: Stus-List where to begin.

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I'm in fresh water and was surprised to find corrosion in the wires of the 
battery cables many inches back from the terminals.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


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Also pull & check the wires themselves.  We had ground wires corrode so badly 
they wouldn't carry voltage, much less serious amps.


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 Original message From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 9/22/17 3:06 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List where to begin. 
Bad connection.
That’s as simple as I can make it…   :^)
Check ground wiring at the engine and battery for loose or corroded terminals 
and wire; check starter wiring connections for loose or corroded terminals and 
wire.  Same for the start button on the control panel.
— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
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Re: Stus-List where to begin.

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Also pull & check the wires themselves.  We had ground wires corrode so badly 
they wouldn't carry voltage, much less serious amps.


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 Original message From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 9/22/17  3:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List where to begin. 
Bad connection.
That’s as simple as I can make it…   :^)
Check ground wiring at the engine and battery for loose or corroded terminals 
and wire; check starter wiring connections for loose or corroded terminals and 
wire.  Same for the start button on the control panel.
— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


On Sep 22, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Bev Parslow via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
The starting battery is showing a little over twelve volts but at the starter 
motor it is down to just over seven. As a result the engine will not turn over 
but starts easily on the house system. Somewhere we are loosing five volts. For 
a Luddite can anyone explain where we start to find the problem? Please use 
simple terms as I did not do well in science.
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Re: Stus-List where to begin.

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Do whichever is easier:

1) switch the batteries ( house and starting )
2) switch the battery cables, ie house positive and ground to the starting, 
starting positive and ground to house

If the selection of starting battery ( which is now the house battery ) starts 
the engine easily then the starting battery
needs to be checked.

If the selection of starting battery ( which is now the house battery ) does 
not start the engine and the connection
is seven volts then the wiring needs to be checked.

If both selections start the engine now you may have had a battery connection 
problem.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


From: Bev Parslow  

 
The starting battery is showing a little over twelve volts but at the starter 
motor it is down to just over seven. As a result the engine will not turn over 
but starts easily on the house system. Somewhere we are loosing five volts. For 
a Luddite can anyone explain where we start to find the problem? Please use 
simple terms as I did not do well in science. 
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Re: Stus-List where to begin.

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

One other thing — if the battery is just over 12 volts, it may be time to 
replace it.  A fully-charged wet cell battery should be at about 12.8 volts.  
And if your voltage at the starter is down to seven volts when trying to start, 
that say the battery is ready for replacement.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bad connection.
> 
> That’s as simple as I can make it…   :^)
> 
> Check ground wiring at the engine and battery for loose or corroded terminals 
> and wire; check starter wiring connections for loose or corroded terminals 
> and wire.  Same for the start button on the control panel.
> 
> — Fred
> 
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Bev Parslow via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> The starting battery is showing a little over twelve volts but at the 
>> starter motor it is down to just over seven. As a result the engine will not 
>> turn over but starts easily on the house system. Somewhere we are loosing 
>> five volts. For a Luddite can anyone explain where we start to find the 
>> problem? Please use simple terms as I did not do well in science.
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Re: Stus-List where to begin.

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Bad connection.

That’s as simple as I can make it…   :^)

Check ground wiring at the engine and battery for loose or corroded terminals 
and wire; check starter wiring connections for loose or corroded terminals and 
wire.  Same for the start button on the control panel.

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Bev Parslow via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The starting battery is showing a little over twelve volts but at the starter 
> motor it is down to just over seven. As a result the engine will not turn 
> over but starts easily on the house system. Somewhere we are loosing five 
> volts. For a Luddite can anyone explain where we start to find the problem? 
> Please use simple terms as I did not do well in science.

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