Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? (RANDY)

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Thanks Robert. My boom was raised 12" by some PO. I bought and installed a 
Garhauer vang and I'm happy with it; it keeps the boom down off-wind. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 9:21:42 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? (RANDY) 

I had 30MKI hull no. 45 

If your boom has not been raised, there may a pretty steep angle for a boom 
vang. The previous owner of my boat raced it extensively and did well without 
one. 

I never seemed to need one but I did have the traveller moved to just aft of 
the companionway and would sometimes rig a preventer to the toe rail on a run 
and that would bring the boom down. 

Rob 

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? (RANDY)

[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

I had 30MKI hull no. 45

If your boom has not been raised, there may a pretty steep angle for a boom
vang.  The previous owner of my boat raced it extensively and did well
without one.

I never seemed to need one but I did have the traveller moved to just aft
of the companionway and would sometimes rig a preventer to the toe rail on
a run and that would bring the boom down.

Rob
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:39 AM, RANDY via CnC-List 
wrote:

>  Then afterward he sent me a corrected boom bracket for free, because I'd
> botched the boom trace the first time around.



For the future and for any others considering this, an easy way to trace
profiles of the mast and boom is to get a piece of solder and shape it to
the profile.  Transfer the shape to paper.  Repeat to check it.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Following up on this, five months later. 

On the recommendations from Rick and Gary, I bought and installed a Garhauer 
rigid vang (model RV20-1SL - 
http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=40 ) on my 30-1. It's been on 
the boat for about a month now. 

I've been pleased with both the product and the service I got from Garhauer 
Marine, so wanted to give a positive review. And thanks for the 
recommendations. 

The guy I worked with at Garhauer who is in charge of boom vangs is named Mark. 
He was very patient and professional - took a couple of calls from me 
beforehand so I could make sure I ordered the right product and got accurate 
measurements etc. Then afterward he sent me a corrected boom bracket for free, 
because I'd botched the boom trace the first time around. And it took a couple 
reminders but he did finally send me the cam cleat block specified in my 
original order, after my vang arrived without it (no extra charge for the cam 
cleat block, BTW). 

I've been pleased with the vang. The product is solid. The installation was 
straightforward, with good instructions. It does a great job of keeping the 
boom down. I wish I'd had it during that rescue last month - with my main 
flogging during all the action, I got into an attitude where the boom was 
raised up and trapped against the backstay, which shredded some lights I had 
running up the backstay, and I'm sure put an unexpected lateral load on the 
backstay. 

Before I had the vang installed, the owner of the local ASA school, Captain 
James Cook ( https://www.victoriasailingschool.com/index.php/home/ownership ) 
cruised past me on his J/30, with both of us on beam reach, and told me I was 
losing a third of my mainsail power off the wind without the vang. Now I've got 
all that power back, presumably, but I'm still not as fast as his J/30 :). It's 
not close-up, but you can see the vang in the last picture of 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ . And now I can 
get rid of the #@*&^%$ topping lift next time I go up the mast. 

So this one has a good ending. Garhauer did right by me, and thanks for the 
recommendation. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:08:28 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? 



As I said earlier, my boat is late, so the boom is a foot higher than yours, 
unless yours has been refitted. 



That said, the Garhauer spring loaded tube attaches at the base of the mast, 
just above the partners, there’s a fitted plate – and the same is true on the 
boom, it’s about 3 -4 feet aft of the mast. Garhauer will match the plate to 
the shape of your mast and boom, just send them a template, no charge. I 
attached the block for the adjuster (which is really a 6-1 vang) to the cabin 
top just behind the mast, then ran the line through a fairlead on the 
companionway hood to a line lock on the port side of the cabin top – I have 
moved a bunch of lines through organizers back to winches on both sides of the 
cabin top. There are four locks on the port side and three on the starboard. 



Guido at Garhauer can advise you on whether the angles are OK, just send him 
the measurements. 



Good luck, 

Gary 

#593 




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Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? 





Thank you Rick, Michael, Francois, and all - your advice is valuable. 





I appreciate the benefits of vangs from a few years of racing Capri 22s, J/22s, 
and Merit 25s. In addition to the adjustable backstays on those fractional 
rigs, we'd use the vang upwind in heavy air to help depower, and to play the 
traveler in puffs without sacrificing leech tension. And of course we'd use the 
vang off the wind to prevent boom rise. That is why I was alarmed when I first 
saw Kona (now Grenadine) without a vang, and I'm really grateful to be able to 
reach out to this mail list with the question. 





Those were all soft vangs - block and line arrangements. I like the idea of a 
rigid vang to replace the topping lift - it is a hassle. I'd always disconnect 
it underway so it wouldn't interfere with leech tension, and I did drop the 
boom on my daughter's head once when dousing the main :( And tensioning systems 
are a pain - you have to reach too high to raise the boom, in order to have 
enough range when slack to avoid interfering with leech tension. 





So, for those who have installed a Garhauer or Easy Kick 2, how and where do 
those systems fasten to the mast and boom? I'll measure the distance from 
gooseneck to mast collar to see

Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have had one of those spring vangs forever. It is nice to have and allowed us 
to get rid of the topping lift.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


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Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:30 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

As the owner of 30-1 #593, I strongly recommend a vang. I have a Garhauer solid 
vang with its adjusting line led to the cockpit. It is very useful.

Gary


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Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

you need a vang of some sort
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
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> C Sailors-
>
> The C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought does not have a boom vang.  
> Perhaps because its boom appears designed for furling the main by 
> rolling it around the outside of the boom.  Or perhaps because vangs 
> were not standard equipment on 30-1s (I don't see vangs in the 
> brochures).  But in looking at comparables before buying my boat, I 
> did see 30-1s on the market with bangs, boom kickers, etc.
>
> Have any 30-1 sailors on this list found it necessary or unnecessary 
> to have a vang?  Or necessary to rig something else to keep the boom 
> down?  I'm worried about the boom pulling up on broad reaches or runs.
> On the other hand, I think it's a fairly heavy boom, and the boom-end 
> sheeting may help to keep it down.  I'd be interested in your comments.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30 MK1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thank you Rick, Michael, Francois, and all - your advice is valuable. 

I appreciate the benefits of vangs from a few years of racing Capri 22s, J/22s, 
and Merit 25s. In addition to the adjustable backstays on those fractional 
rigs, we'd use the vang upwind in heavy air to help depower, and to play the 
traveler in puffs without sacrificing leech tension. And of course we'd use the 
vang off the wind to prevent boom rise. That is why I was alarmed when I first 
saw Kona (now Grenadine) without a vang, and I'm really grateful to be able to 
reach out to this mail list with the question. 

Those were all soft vangs - block and line arrangements. I like the idea of a 
rigid vang to replace the topping lift - it is a hassle. I'd always disconnect 
it underway so it wouldn't interfere with leech tension, and I did drop the 
boom on my daughter's head once when dousing the main :( And tensioning systems 
are a pain - you have to reach too high to raise the boom, in order to have 
enough range when slack to avoid interfering with leech tension. 

So, for those who have installed a Garhauer or Easy Kick 2, how and where do 
those systems fasten to the mast and boom? I'll measure the distance from 
gooseneck to mast collar to see what the angle would be and compare to the 
minimum for each rigid vang option - thanks for that tip Michael. Has anyone 
refitted a soft vang to an early 30-1? How and where did you attach the bales 
for the blocks to mast and boom? 

Thanks Again, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30 MK1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 6:53:45 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? 



Randy, 



I get the impression that the roller reefing boom was on a number of the early 
70s C models, though whether standard or optional I don’t know. 



My 25 came with a roller reefing boom. It also had a soft vang. Part of the 
gear included a large yellow metal “hoop”, in the top of which was a narrow 
slot (sort of like a big “C” with a small opening) and on either side of the 
slot were 2 plastic rollers. The hoop went around the boom with the sail going 
up through the slot and the top of the soft vang attached at the bottom of the 
hoop. 



Never worked for crap. Which is probably why you don’t see roller reefing booms 
any more. 



I have gone to slab reefing and a rigid Garhauer vang on the 25. But I still 
keep the old “hoop” and the hand crank for the roller reefing on the boat as 
conversation pieces. 



Do you need a vang? Depends on how and where you sail and on personal 
preferences. 



Without a vang, the boom will rise and the leach of the main will twist off and 
spill wind when you are on any point of sail except close hauled. The tendency 
for the boom to rise can be controlled by mainsheet tension, but the more off 
the wind you are (reaching and running) the more rise you will get. The boom 
could be made of depleted uranium and would still not significantly stop the 
process. 



A vang, rigid or soft, controls the rise of the boom and allows you to tension 
the leach for optimum performance. A rigid vang or boom kicker will support the 
boom when the sail is lowered so you can do away with the constant irritations 
of the topping lift – getting tangled in the backstay, needing adjustment when 
you foot off, forgetting to retension when you drop sail and having the boom 
fall into the cockpit, yada yada. 



There was a discussion on the list a couple of weeks ago about the merits of 
various rigid vangs and the Boomkicker. You should search the list archives and 
read it. You would be surprised how many of us on the list have a Garhauer 
rigid vang. 



Rick Brass 

Imzadi C 38 mk 2 

la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1 

Washington, NC 








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Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net 
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit? 





C Sailors- 





The C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought does not have a boom vang. Perhaps because 
its boom appears designed for furling the main by rolling it around the outside 
of the boom. Or perhaps because vangs were not standard equipment on 30-1s (I 
don't see vangs in the brochures). But in looking at comparables before buying 
my boat, I did see 30-1s on the market with bangs, boom kickers, etc. 





Have any 30-1 sailors on this list found it necessary or unnecessary to have a 
vang? Or necessary to rig something else to keep the boom down? I'm worried 
about the boom pulling up on broad reaches or runs. On the other hand, I think 
it's a fairly heavy boom, and the boom-end sheeting may help to keep it down. 
I'd be interested in your comments. 





Thanks in advance. 





Cheers, 


Randy S

Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

As I said earlier, my boat is late, so the boom is a foot higher than yours, 
unless yours has been refitted.

 

That said, the Garhauer spring loaded tube attaches at the base of the mast, 
just above the partners, there’s a fitted plate – and the same is true on the 
boom, it’s about 3 -4 feet aft of the mast. Garhauer will match the plate to 
the shape of your mast and boom, just send them a template, no charge. I 
attached the block for the adjuster (which is really a 6-1 vang) to the cabin 
top just behind the mast, then ran the line through a fairlead on the 
companionway hood to a line lock on the port side of the cabin top – I have 
moved a bunch of lines through organizers back to winches on both sides of the 
cabin top. There are four locks on the port side and three on the starboard.

 

Guido at Garhauer can advise you on whether the angles are OK, just send him 
the measurements.

 

Good luck, 

Gary

#593

 

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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

 

Thank you Rick, Michael, Francois, and all - your advice is valuable.

 

I appreciate the benefits of vangs from a few years of racing Capri 22s, J/22s, 
and Merit 25s.  In addition to the adjustable backstays on those fractional 
rigs, we'd use the vang upwind in heavy air to help depower, and to play the 
traveler in puffs without sacrificing leech tension.  And of course we'd use 
the vang off the wind to prevent boom rise.  That is why I was alarmed when I 
first saw Kona (now Grenadine) without a vang, and I'm really grateful to be 
able to reach out to this mail list with the question.

 

Those were all soft vangs - block and line arrangements.  I like the idea of a 
rigid vang to replace the topping lift - it is a hassle.  I'd always disconnect 
it underway so it wouldn't interfere with leech tension, and I did drop the 
boom on my daughter's head once when dousing the main :(  And tensioning 
systems are a pain - you have to reach too high to raise the boom, in order to 
have enough range when slack to avoid interfering with leech tension.

 

So, for those who have installed a Garhauer or Easy Kick 2, how and where do 
those systems fasten to the mast and boom?  I'll measure the distance from 
gooseneck to mast collar to see what the angle would be and compare to the 
minimum for each rigid vang option - thanks for that tip Michael.  Has anyone 
refitted a soft vang to an early 30-1?  How and where did you attach the bales 
for the blocks to mast and boom?

 

Thanks Again,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C 30 MK1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net <mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net> >
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 6:53:45 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

 

Randy,

 

I get the impression that the roller reefing boom was on a number of the early 
70s C models, though whether standard or optional I don’t know.

 

My 25 came with a roller reefing boom. It also had a soft vang. Part of the 
gear included a large yellow metal “hoop”, in the top of which was a narrow 
slot (sort of like a big “C” with a small opening) and on either side of the 
slot were 2 plastic rollers. The hoop went around the boom with the sail going 
up through the slot and the top of the soft vang attached at the bottom of the 
hoop.

 

Never worked for crap. Which is probably why you don’t see roller reefing booms 
any more.

 

I have gone to slab reefing and a rigid Garhauer vang on the 25. But I still 
keep the old “hoop” and the hand crank for the roller reefing on the boat as 
conversation pieces.

 

Do you need a vang? Depends on how and where you sail and on personal 
preferences.

 

Without a vang, the boom will rise and the leach of the main will twist off and 
spill wind when you are on any point of sail except close hauled. The tendency 
for the boom to rise can be controlled by mainsheet tension, but the more off 
the wind you are (reaching and running) the more rise you will get. The boom 
could be made of depleted uranium and would still not significantly stop the 
process.

 

A vang, rigid or soft, controls the rise of the boom and allows you to tension 
the leach for optimum performance. A rigid vang or boom kicker will support the 
boom when the sail is lowered so you can do away with the constant irritations 
of the topping lift – getting tangled in the backstay, needing adjustment when 
you foot off, forgetting to retension when you drop sail and having the boom 
fall into the cockpit, yada yada.

 

There was a discussion on the list a couple of weeks ago about the merits of 
various rigid va

Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[Rick Bushie via CnC-List]

This fall we moved the boom gooseneck up a foot on Anchovy. It just so happened 
that her main luff was 18" short to begin with. I assume the PO bought the 
wrong sail or some other snafu. I'm planning on installing a Garhauer rigid 
vang this year and tearing off, with extreme prejudice, the wire topping lift. 
I wish I had a nickel for every time the lift wrapped itself around the 
backstay during a jibe and needed to be manually unfouled.  She is sans a vang 
at present and the twist in the mains'l is impossible to get rid of with the 
end boom sheeting.

Rick Bushie
Anchovy, 1971 30-1, Hull 1
Worton, MD


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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

you need a vang of some sort
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List
 wrote:
> C Sailors-
>
> The C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought does not have a boom vang.  Perhaps
> because its boom appears designed for furling the main by rolling it around
> the outside of the boom.  Or perhaps because vangs were not standard
> equipment on 30-1s (I don't see vangs in the brochures).  But in looking at
> comparables before buying my boat, I did see 30-1s on the market with bangs,
> boom kickers, etc.
>
> Have any 30-1 sailors on this list found it necessary or unnecessary to have
> a vang?  Or necessary to rig something else to keep the boom down?  I'm
> worried about the boom pulling up on broad reaches or runs.  On the other
> hand, I think it's a fairly heavy boom, and the boom-end sheeting may help
> to keep it down.  I'd be interested in your comments.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30 MK1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Randy,

 

I get the impression that the roller reefing boom was on a number of the early 
70s C models, though whether standard or optional I don’t know.

 

My 25 came with a roller reefing boom. It also had a soft vang. Part of the 
gear included a large yellow metal “hoop”, in the top of which was a narrow 
slot (sort of like a big “C” with a small opening) and on either side of the 
slot were 2 plastic rollers. The hoop went around the boom with the sail going 
up through the slot and the top of the soft vang attached at the bottom of the 
hoop.

 

Never worked for crap. Which is probably why you don’t see roller reefing booms 
any more.

 

I have gone to slab reefing and a rigid Garhauer vang on the 25. But I still 
keep the old “hoop” and the hand crank for the roller reefing on the boat as 
conversation pieces.

 

Do you need a vang? Depends on how and where you sail and on personal 
preferences.

 

Without a vang, the boom will rise and the leach of the main will twist off and 
spill wind when you are on any point of sail except close hauled. The tendency 
for the boom to rise can be controlled by mainsheet tension, but the more off 
the wind you are (reaching and running) the more rise you will get. The boom 
could be made of depleted uranium and would still not significantly stop the 
process.

 

A vang, rigid or soft, controls the rise of the boom and allows you to tension 
the leach for optimum performance. A rigid vang or boom kicker will support the 
boom when the sail is lowered so you can do away with the constant irritations 
of the topping lift – getting tangled in the backstay, needing adjustment when 
you foot off, forgetting to retension when you drop sail and having the boom 
fall into the cockpit, yada yada.

 

There was a discussion on the list a couple of weeks ago about the merits of 
various rigid vangs and the Boomkicker. You should search the list archives and 
read it. You would be surprised how many of us on the list have a Garhauer 
rigid vang.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

 

C Sailors-

 

The C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought does not have a boom vang.  Perhaps 
because its boom appears designed for furling the main by rolling it around the 
outside of the boom.  Or perhaps because vangs were not standard equipment on 
30-1s (I don't see vangs in the brochures).  But in looking at comparables 
before buying my boat, I did see 30-1s on the market with bangs, boom kickers, 
etc.

 

Have any 30-1 sailors on this list found it necessary or unnecessary to have a 
vang?  Or necessary to rig something else to keep the boom down?  I'm worried 
about the boom pulling up on broad reaches or runs.  On the other hand, I think 
it's a fairly heavy boom, and the boom-end sheeting may help to keep it down.  
I'd be interested in your comments.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C 30 MK1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My reply on this would read the same as Rick's.  I still have the crank for
the roller boom but the "C" bail is long gone.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Randy,
>
>
>
> I get the impression that the roller reefing boom was on a number of the
> early 70s C models, though whether standard or optional I don’t know.
>
>
>
> My 25 came with a roller reefing boom. It also had a soft vang. Part of
> the gear included a large yellow metal “hoop”, in the top of which was a
> narrow slot (sort of like a big “C” with a small opening) and on either
> side of the slot were 2 plastic rollers. The hoop went around the boom with
> the sail going up through the slot and the top of the soft vang attached at
> the bottom of the hoop.
>
>
>
> Never worked for crap. Which is probably why you don’t see roller reefing
> booms any more.
>
>
>
> I have gone to slab reefing and a rigid Garhauer vang on the 25. But I
> still keep the old “hoop” and the hand crank for the roller reefing on the
> boat as conversation pieces.
>
>
>
> Do you need a vang? Depends on how and where you sail and on personal
> preferences.
>
>
>
> Without a vang, the boom will rise and the leach of the main will twist
> off and spill wind when you are on any point of sail except close hauled.
> The tendency for the boom to rise can be controlled by mainsheet tension,
> but the more off the wind you are (reaching and running) the more rise you
> will get. The boom could be made of depleted uranium and would still not
> significantly stop the process.
>
>
>
> A vang, rigid or soft, controls the rise of the boom and allows you to
> tension the leach for optimum performance. A rigid vang or boom kicker will
> support the boom when the sail is lowered so you can do away with the
> constant irritations of the topping lift – getting tangled in the backstay,
> needing adjustment when you foot off, forgetting to retension when you drop
> sail and having the boom fall into the cockpit, yada yada.
>
>
>
> There was a discussion on the list a couple of weeks ago about the merits
> of various rigid vangs and the Boomkicker. You should search the list
> archives and read it. You would be surprised how many of us on the list
> have a Garhauer rigid vang.
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> *Imzadi  *C 38 mk 2
>
> *la Belle Aurore *C 25 mk1
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Randy
> Stafford via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:27 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* randy.staff...@comcast.net
> *Subject:* Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?
>
>
>
> C Sailors-
>
>
>
> The C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought does not have a boom vang.  Perhaps
> because its boom appears designed for furling the main by rolling it around
> the outside of the boom.  Or perhaps because vangs were not standard
> equipment on 30-1s (I don't see vangs in the brochures).  But in looking at
> comparables before buying my boat, I did see 30-1s on the market with
> bangs, boom kickers, etc.
>
>
>
> Have any 30-1 sailors on this list found it necessary or unnecessary to
> have a vang?  Or necessary to rig something else to keep the boom down?
> I'm worried about the boom pulling up on broad reaches or runs.  On the
> other hand, I think it's a fairly heavy boom, and the boom-end sheeting may
> help to keep it down.  I'd be interested in your comments.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Randy Stafford
>
> S/V Grenadine
>
> C 30 MK1 #7
>
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

As the owner of 30-1 #593, I strongly recommend a vang. I have a Garhauer
solid vang with its adjusting line led to the cockpit. It is very useful.

Gary


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:01 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

you need a vang of some sort
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> C Sailors-
>
> The C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought does not have a boom vang.  
> Perhaps because its boom appears designed for furling the main by 
> rolling it around the outside of the boom.  Or perhaps because vangs 
> were not standard equipment on 30-1s (I don't see vangs in the 
> brochures).  But in looking at comparables before buying my boat, I 
> did see 30-1s on the market with bangs, boom kickers, etc.
>
> Have any 30-1 sailors on this list found it necessary or unnecessary 
> to have a vang?  Or necessary to rig something else to keep the boom 
> down?  I'm worried about the boom pulling up on broad reaches or runs.  
> On the other hand, I think it's a fairly heavy boom, and the boom-end 
> sheeting may help to keep it down.  I'd be interested in your comments.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30 MK1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
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Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Do you need a vang?  Depends how much you care about sailing efficiency 
(Cruising or racing). Also, to some degree I would be inclined to believe 
that a properly trimmed main will also last longer.  Without enough vang 
tension in high winds it seems the sail gets way more "belly" then it 
should, adding stretch and heel. 
 
What does the vang do?  ( I would venture to say that most casual sailors 
don't really know. ) 

It controls the leech tension, some of the mast bend (Helps flatten the 
sail)  and therefore main sail twist, to a large degree it's effects are 
on the upper third portion of the sail.. I.E look at the top batten. Here 
are a few examples of what it does

If you don't have a vang (Or don't adjust it tight enough) the top batten 
will point leeward indicating that the top of the sail is 'spilling wind' 
and not very effective at pulling the boat forward. 

Running downwind the vang can help prevent accidental gybes by keeping the 
boom level and under better control

In moderate winds close hauled or on close reach reach if the top batten 
pointed windward you have too much vang / not enough twist / don't have 
full power If you're racing: Big Difference in boat speed.  (A lot of 
folks over-tighten the vang) The last few inches of the top batten should 
be about parallel to the boom

In high winds, you can use it to control heel to some degree (And avoid 
reefing, up to a point) as mentioned above, if you loosen it up and the 
top batten is pointed leeward,  the top of the sail "Spills air" thereby 
lessening the leeward pull on the top of the mast / lessening the heel. If 
it's too lose on the other hand (As in not having one at all) then the 
sail "Puffs-up" with more belly and you of course get way more heeling / 
possibly stretch the sail (I'm talking 25-30 knots wind and more) that is 
especially true when the sail is reefed as it seems (At least on my boat) 
that the leech gets pretty loose, especially with 2 reefs

In moderate winds you also ease it some to get more twist / more power 
(Again.. Up to a point). 

The above were just a few examples, to really understand how it works you 
should read some of the pro write-ups on the subject, here's a few: 

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/racing-articles/20721-mainsail-controls-performance-part-two.html

http://www.sailingbreezes.com/sailing_breezes_current/articles/Aug00/dell0800.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C31nGzO54O4


To me, that's a big part of what keeps me excited about sailing..  It's a 
lifetime sport with a never flattening learning curve: The more you learn, 
the more you realize you need to learn more.. :-) 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-List]

To add to Francois’s list of references I would like to include one of the best 
(easiest to read) books by Don Guillette “The Sail Trim User’s Guide” 
(http://www.sailtrimproducts.com/sail_trim_users_guide.html directly from him 
or in SBO http://shop.sailboatowners.com/prod.php?51998/). Might be the best 
$25 you ever spend on boat improvements.

Marek
C270 “Legato”
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Stus-List 30-1 Vang Refit?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

C Sailors- 

The C 30 MK1 hull #7 I just bought does not have a boom vang. Perhaps because 
its boom appears designed for furling the main by rolling it around the outside 
of the boom. Or perhaps because vangs were not standard equipment on 30-1s (I 
don't see vangs in the brochures). But in looking at comparables before buying 
my boat, I did see 30-1s on the market with bangs, boom kickers, etc. 

Have any 30-1 sailors on this list found it necessary or unnecessary to have a 
vang? Or necessary to rig something else to keep the boom down? I'm worried 
about the boom pulling up on broad reaches or runs. On the other hand, I think 
it's a fairly heavy boom, and the boom-end sheeting may help to keep it down. 
I'd be interested in your comments. 

Thanks in advance. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30 MK1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 
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