Stus-List CC30 MK1 to windward
I have not had a lot of windward experiences with my new CC. Its an old boat but 4 years new to me. It looks like it points well thew I do loose some control of steering and some weather helm. So far most all of sailing her has been in the rivers around Beaufort and Charleston SC. Have not been off shore but a few times with light wind. So I would love to here if these boats handle well in bigger wind and waves like offshore or near shore. Like 29% to so 40% off the nose with 4 to 6 foot seas on the nose? Is it comfortable as far as 30 footer class boats go? Thanks for your incite. I cant wate to get some sail-time off shore this winter and spring. Its great living where I dont have to put the boat away in the Winter. -- *Best regards,* *Curtis McDaniel, * *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. -Mark Twain *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30 MK1 to windward
After 10 years experience, mostly on Lake Superior, with our 30-1, I can say it handles wind and waves better than most in its size class (which is why we bought her). Went out in a a small craft warning in September, got caught and took a beating and deserved it, but she handled sustained 25 knots gusting to 40,and 4-7 foot seas on the nose, very well. Of course you lose a lot of momentum heading into waves that size in a 30' 4 ton boat, and under sail or motoring you make just a couple of knots over the ground. But she was dry, safe, predictable (especially under sail - with about 65% headsail and one reef in the main, we had the rail in the water but never took solid water over the bow! That said, after 6 hours without a break at the wheel in those kinds of conditions I was so exhausted I could hardly dock her when we made it back into the marina just after dark. The boat can take more than I can. Nate Flesness Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 on the hard Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have not had a lot of windward experiences with my new CC. Its an old boat but 4 years new to me. It looks like it points well thew I do loose some control of steering and some weather helm. So far most all of sailing her has been in the rivers around Beaufort and Charleston SC. Have not been off shore but a few times with light wind. So I would love to here if these boats handle well in bigger wind and waves like offshore or near shore. Like 29% to so 40% off the nose with 4 to 6 foot seas on the nose? Is it comfortable as far as 30 footer class boats go? Thanks for your incite. I cant wate to get some sail-time off shore this winter and spring. Its great living where I dont have to put the boat away in the Winter. -- *Best regards,* *Curtis McDaniel, * *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. -Mark Twain *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30 MK1 to windward
Raced on a shoal draft 30-1 in the Chi-Mac race when the wind kept building up to 25-30 kts. We sailed a close reach and were at hull speed; a Peterson 34 had a lot of trouble passing us to windward. Raced a fin keep version on Carlyle for a couple of years; it pointed better as expected, but had the same off wind speed. Great boats, but not quite able to make their handicaps in light air. Still move well enough for cruising in light air though. Ron Wild Cheri CC 30-1 shoal draft STL On Tue, 11/4/14, Nate Flesness via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Re: Stus-List CC30 MK1 to windward To: Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2014, 8:58 AM After 10 years experience, mostly on Lake Superior, with our 30-1, I can say it handles wind and waves better than most in its size class (which is why we bought her). Went out in a a small craft warning in September, got caught and took a beating and deserved it, but she handled sustained 25 knots gusting to 40,and 4-7 foot seas on the nose, very well. Of course you lose a lot of momentum heading into waves that size in a 30' 4 ton boat, and under sail or motoring you make just a couple of knots over the ground. But she was dry, safe, predictable (especially under sail - with about 65% headsail and one reef in the main, we had the rail in the water but never took solid water over the bow! That said, after 6 hours without a break at the wheel in those kinds of conditions I was so exhausted I could hardly dock her when we made it back into the marina just after dark. The boat can take more than I can. Nate FlesnessSarah Jean1980 30-1on the hardSiskiwit Bay MarinaLake Superior On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have not had a lot of windward experiences with my new CC. Its an old boat but 4 years new to me. It looks like it points well thew I do loose some control of steering and some weather helm. So far most all of sailing her has been in the rivers around Beaufort and Charleston SC. Have not been off shore but a few times with light wind. So I would love to here if these boats handle well in bigger wind and waves like offshore or near shore. Like 29% to so 40% off the nose with 4 to 6 foot seas on the nose? Is it comfortable as far as 30 footer class boats go? Thanks for your incite. I cant wate to get some sail-time off shore this winter and spring. Its great living where I dont have to put the boat away in the Winter.-- Best regards,Curtis McDaniel, CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. -Mark Twain cpt.b...@gmail.com __/) . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30 MK1 to windward
I¹m pretty sure we¹re not allowed to incite on this list. :-) Ed From: Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:38:07 -0500 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC30 MK1 to windward I have not had a lot of windward experiences with my new CC. Its an old boat but 4 years new to me. It looks like it points well. Thanks for your incite. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30 MK1 to windward
Haha too funny. Bad spell check on the Droid 5 On Nov 4, 2014 12:54 PM, Ed Dooley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to incite on this list. :-) Ed *From: *Curtis *cpt.b...@gmail.com cpt.b...@gmail.com* *Date: *Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:38:07 -0500 *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *CnC-List@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com* *Subject: *Stus-List CC30 MK1 to windward I have not had a lot of windward experiences with my new CC. Its an old boat but 4 years new to me. It looks like it points well. Thanks for your incite. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30 MK1 to windward
Couldn¹t resist :-) Ed From: Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 13:16:40 -0500 To: Ed Dooley edoo...@madriver.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC30 MK1 to windward Haha too funny. Bad spell check on the Droid 5 On Nov 4, 2014 12:54 PM, Ed Dooley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I¹m pretty sure we¹re not allowed to incite on this list. :-) Ed From: Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:38:07 -0500 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC30 MK1 to windward I have not had a lot of windward experiences with my new CC. Its an old boat but 4 years new to me. It looks like it points well. Thanks for your incite. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30 MK1 to windward
Hi Curtis, When I crossed the Atlantic with my CC 30-1, I had hope that I would be doing much more downwind than what I got. I almost crossed twice on windward. A couple of observations on the behavior when going to windward in rough weather: - First and foremost, forget roller furling, the boat will behave much better if you fly the sail designed for the correct weather. With a brand new, especially designed for offshore roller furling genoa, my boat would progressively slow down and lose pointing ability as I roll in the genoa. Good power is needed to make progress in heavier seas. Inexperienced sailor tend to reduce too much and get the boat underpowered. Instead of a partially rolled furling, flying a good blade jib with reefs on it's dedicated sail tracks would be my choice in heavy weather. When weather was getting rough, flying the jib instead of the genoa gave me better pointing and more speed instantly. An inner forestay not only allow you to fly hank on jibs, it also moves the center of the sail closer to the mast. - In heavier weather with 2 meter seas, the boat will, once in a while, fall abruptly in the waves and will make scary sounds. It cannot be totally avoided but trimming can improve. Don't try to point too much, the boat require speed to handle the waves well. The main car is set off to windward, halyard is tight. Putting the car in the middle allows the main too much freedom to move and slam from time to time, with the potential to damage the sheet rigging. Moving the jib car aft allows the top of the sail to fall off the wind, reducing heeling while keeping good power. - Never delay reefing the main. Much easier to remove it. Most important, reefing should be damn easy. If it's not, fix it before going out for real. Try heavy weather under controlled conditions as soon as you can to test yourself and the boat. In heavy weather, noise is impressive and forces are surprising. Rolling a flapping genoa is a real challenge and may require the use of the winch. Expect that simple maneuver will take much longer - When thing gets rougher, you can drop the main et the boat sails very well under jib alone. - The mast step must be strong and rock solid to endure the slamming in the waves. Heavier seas requires tighter rigging. The mast is subject to sudden and quick acceleration when the boat tip on top of waves. Loose rigging is good for racing in light air, not on the ocean. When tightening shrouds, the rule of thumbs is, that the shrouds to leeward to become soft but not slack when healing at about 15 to 20 degrees. Make it 25 degrees for the ocean. -Have fun Antoine (CC Cousin) Le 2014-11-04 à 09:38, Curtis via CnC-List a écrit : I have not had a lot of windward experiences with my new CC. Its an old boat but 4 years new to me. It looks like it points well thew I do loose some control of steering and some weather helm. So far most all of sailing her has been in the rivers around Beaufort and Charleston SC. Have not been off shore but a few times with light wind. So I would love to here if these boats handle well in bigger wind and waves like offshore or near shore. Like 29% to so 40% off the nose with 4 to 6 foot seas on the nose? Is it comfortable as far as 30 footer class boats go? Thanks for your incite. I cant wate to get some sail-time off shore this winter and spring. Its great living where I dont have to put the boat away in the Winter. -- Best regards, Curtis McDaniel, CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. -Mark Twain cpt.b...@gmail.com __/) . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
