Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[robert via CnC-List]

Check this out:

http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/



Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:
I suspect most old car guys are familiar with Seafoam. Though I can't 
recall exactly what is in it. I've always used it as an additive for 
gasoline engines - boat fuel, mower fuel, oil mix for power tools and 
the outboard. I think of it as a better alternative to Stabil.


Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or added 
it to engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out.


Rick Brass
Washington, NC

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Hi Rick,
A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years 
that looks better than new, suggested I use *SeaFoam *in both fuel 
and engine oil.  It's inexpensive and seems to make starting much 
easier, so I've been using that for the last 8 years.  I use Bio-Flo 
Jr when I top off the tank for winter.  Any thoughts on SeaFoam?


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


*From: *"Rick Brass via CnC-List" <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>

*To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Cc: *"Rick Brass" <mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net>>

*Sent: *Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just 
has a dye in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not been paid.


When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million of 
Sulphur content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating 
the injection pump, injectors, etc.


In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissions 
standards, Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content was 
reduced to 500 PPM, and lubricity additives were incorporated in the 
fuel.


In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emission 
standards, Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content 
on current fuel is 15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on 
ULS fuel, just like a new gas engine is designed for ethanol.


Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to teach 
technicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive to 
your fuel if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel 
became the norm. For our size engines that means about 2010 (1 year 
later in Canada). The service bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins 
(which I unfortunately lost when the laptop’s hard drive went up in 
smoke) both specifically recommend the additive from Stanadyne.


Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add 
Standyne lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a product 
from Lucas). It can’t hurt.


I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep my 
tank full during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live in 
the water in the tank and eat the diesel (don’t get me started on 
bio-diesel). An algaecide and reducing the chances of condensation in 
the tank are good policy for avoiding fuel filter problems.


I’ve used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so I’m not concerned with 
the duel degrading in storage like you get with ethanol stored in a 
boat. Diesel can generally be stored for about two years without 
significant degradation.


Rick Brass

Washington, NC

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*Cc:* Richard N. Bush mailto:bushma...@aol.com>>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat 
is a 1985 37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my 
annual diesel fill up and the pumps were out of order; so I had to 
get diesel from a street gas station; although the cost was almost a 
dollar per gallon cheaper, I noted that it was the "green" color 
rather than the "red" color; so my question is do I need to put some 
type of sulpher additive or something along those lines into this 
fuel? I did motor with it for an extended time on Sunday with no 
adverse effects; in addition to this question, what should I use for 
the upcoming winter layup? many thanks


Richard

1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;



Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255

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Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[robert via CnC-List]

Chuck et al:

I have not heard of the productwhere do you buy it?..automotive 
store, marine store, hardware store?


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-13 11:04 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote:
Not sure why it works, but I saw improvement.  I add an ounce of 
SEAFOAM to each gallon of fuel and one ounce to each quart of oil.  I 
add it to the oil when I change it each Fall, and I add it to my 
boat's fuel tank just before I add fuel. The can is 16oz and I only 
add 5 oz to the engine and 5 oz to the fuel tank when I pour in a 5 
gallon jerry can.  The balance of an open can goes into my car's gas 
tank.  It's very thin and seems to help starting and smooth running.



Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


*From: *"robert via CnC-List" 
*To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc: *"robert" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:47:52 PM
*Subject: *Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

Check this out:

http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/



Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:

I suspect most old car guys are familiar with Seafoam. Though I
can't recall exactly what is in it. I've always used it as an
additive for gasoline engines - boat fuel, mower fuel, oil mix for
power tools and the outboard. I think of it as a better
alternative to Stabil.

Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or
added it to engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List
 wrote:

Hi Rick,
A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25
years that looks better than new, suggested I use *SeaFoam *in
both fuel and engine oil.  It's inexpensive and seems to make
starting much easier, so I've been using that for the last 8
years.  I use Bio-Flo Jr when I top off the tank for winter. 
Any thoughts on SeaFoam?


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


*From: *"Rick Brass via CnC-List" 
*To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Cc: *"Rick Brass" mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net>>
*Sent: *Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff
just has a dye  in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax
has not been paid.

When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per
million of Sulphur content. The Sulphur was a significant
factor in lubricating the injection pump, injectors, etc.

In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2
emissions standards, Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory.
Sulphur content was reduced to 500 PPM, and lubricity
additives were incorporated in the fuel.

In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3
emission standards, Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory.
Sulphur content on current fuel is 15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine
is designed to run on ULS fuel, just like a new gas engine is
designed for ethanol.

Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used
to teach technicians about) all recommend that you add a
lubricity additive to your fuel if your engine was built
before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became the norm. For our size
engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in Canada). The
service bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which I
unfortunately lost when the laptop’s hard drive went up in
smoke) both specifically recommend the additive from Stanadyne.

Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add
Standyne lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a
product from Lucas). It can’t hurt.

I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to
keep my tank full during winter storage. As Josh said, the
nasties live in the water in the tank and eat the diesel
(don’t get me started on bio-diesel). An algaecide and
reducing the chances of condensation in the tank are good
policy for avoiding fuel filter problems.

I’ve used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so I’m not
concerned with the duel degrading in storage like you get with
ethanol stored in a boat. Diesel can generally be stored for
about two years without significant degradation.

Rick Brass

Wash

Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[robert via CnC-List]

 Chuck et al:

I have not heard of the productwhere do you buy it?..automotive 
store, marine store, hardware store?


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-13 11:04 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote:
Not sure why it works, but I saw improvement.  I add an ounce of 
SEAFOAM to each gallon of fuel and one ounce to each quart of oil.  I 
add it to the oil when I change it each Fall, and I add it to my 
boat's fuel tank just before I add fuel.  The can is 16oz and I only 
add 5 oz to the engine and 5 oz to the fuel tank when I pour in a 5 
gallon jerry can.  The balance of an open can goes into my car's gas 
tank.  It's very thin and seems to help starting and smooth running.



Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


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*To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc: *"robert" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:47:52 PM
*Subject: *Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

Check this out:

http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/



Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:

I suspect most old car guys are familiar with Seafoam. Though I
can't recall exactly what is in it. I've always used it as an
additive for gasoline engines - boat fuel, mower fuel, oil mix for
power tools and the outboard. I think of it as a better
alternative to Stabil.

Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or
added it to engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List
 wrote:

Hi Rick,
A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25
years that looks better than new, suggested I use *SeaFoam *in
both fuel and engine oil.  It's inexpensive and seems to make
starting much easier, so I've been using that for the last 8
years.  I use Bio-Flo Jr when I top off the tank for winter. 
Any thoughts on SeaFoam?


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


*From: *"Rick Brass via CnC-List" 
*To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
    *Cc: *"Rick Brass" 
*Sent: *Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff
just has a dye  in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax
has not been paid.

When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per
million of Sulphur content. The Sulphur was a significant
factor in lubricating the injection pump, injectors, etc.

In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2
emissions standards, Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory.
Sulphur content was reduced to 500 PPM, and lubricity
additives were incorporated in the fuel.

In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3
emission standards, Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory.
Sulphur content on current fuel is 15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine
is designed to run on ULS fuel, just like a new gas engine is
designed for ethanol.

Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used
to teach technicians about) all recommend that you add a
lubricity additive to your fuel if your engine was built
before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became the norm. For our size
engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in Canada). The
service bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which I
unfortunately lost when the laptop’s hard drive went up in
smoke) both specifically recommend the additive from Stanadyne.

Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add
Standyne lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a
product from Lucas). It can’t hurt.

I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to
keep my tank full during winter storage. As Josh said, the
nasties live in the water in the tank and eat the diesel
(don’t get me started on bio-diesel). An algaecide and
reducing the chances of condensation in the tank are good
policy for avoiding fuel filter problems.

I’ve used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so I’m not
concerned with the duel degrading in storage like you get with
ethanol stored in a boat. Diesel can generally be stored for
about two years without significant degradation.

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a 1985 
37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel fill up and 
the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a street gas station; 
although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon cheaper, I noted that it was 
the "green" color rather than the "red" color; so my question is do I need to 
put some type of sulpher additive or something along those lines into this 
fuel? I did motor with it for an extended time on Sunday with no adverse 
effects; in addition to this question, what should I use for the upcoming 
winter layup? many thanks 

 


Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Green dye means it was taxes as motor fuel rather than red non taxed farm
fuel.
Joel

On Monday, October 12, 2015, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a
> 1985 37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel
> fill up and the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a
> street gas station; although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon
> cheaper, I noted that it was the "green" color rather than the "red" color;
> so my question is do I need to put some type of sulpher additive or
> something along those lines into this fuel? I did motor with it for an
> extended time on Sunday with no adverse effects; in addition to this
> question, what should I use for the upcoming winter layup? many thanks
>
> Richard
> 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Richard,

Off-road fuel has a red dye to indicate road taxes have not been 
paid. The diesel comes form the same stack as marine/off-road fuel. I 
know it seems crazy that the higher taxed fuel is more expensive but 
c'est le vie.


I suggest an additive with each fill, regardless of where you get the 
diesel. I use Hawes but I've had good people recommend the Stanadyne 
product as well.


cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1, Yanmar QM20


At 09:39 AM 12/10/2015, you wrote:
With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat 
is a 1985 37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my 
annual diesel fill up and the pumps were out of order; so I had to 
get diesel from a street gas station; although the cost was almost a 
dollar per gallon cheaper, I noted that it was the "green" color 
rather than the "red" color; so my question is do I need to put some 
type of sulpher additive or something along those lines into this 
fuel? I did motor with it for an extended time on Sunday with no 
adverse effects; in addition to this question, what should I use for 
the upcoming winter layup? many thanks


Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I'm a bit mixed on additives.  I've tried numerous times to get a straight
and  scientific answer but to no avail.  Some things that are prominent in
my memory are as follows.

Most diesel already has an additive package to prevent bio growth the
question is, "How long does it last?"  The bio-bore bottle states that each
tank should be retreated every 6 months for "maximum protection".  IMO if
you are turning over the tank (completely using and then filling) once or
twice a year then you should be ok.

The growth occurs because of water in the tank and emulsified in the fuel.
Often times people will site a water/fuel interface layer in the tank
similar to when the Italian dressing has say for a while.  The theory goes
that the algae live in the water and eat the fuel.  This can cause the
black goo or a harder particulate to form and hopefully get caught in the
fuel filters.  Additionally, the water is more dense and as such the only
means for effectively removing the water is the use of a low point drain on
the tank. If enough water accumulates (1/4 to 1/2 inch) then you are near
the point where the pickup tube can suck up the water/fuel mix where the
algae have been busy making goo.  Long durations of stagnant fuel
facilitate the depletion of the biocide package which came with the fuel.
These long durations may be followed by significant agitation which breaks
up the goo layer combined with the pitch and heel of the boat again
facilitate the goo being sucked up by the pickup tube.

Poorly placed tank vents.  Poorly installed tank vents.  Degraded tank
vents and hose.  Knock downs.  All can allow water into the tank.

The filter funnel marketing and demonstrations are quite convincing as to
how much water can be emulsified IN the fuel directly from the fuel
station.  The demonstrations are also powerful is proving how well they
remove the water.

There are differing opinions as to whether or not a full tank causes or
prevents condensation from forming in the tank.  Maine Sailor did a pretty
good write up but read the comments too.
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/fuel_tankt_condensation

IMO it is better to eliminate/remove/prevent the water than to try to
control growth with an additive.  I'm always hesitant to use additives of
any type since it is no guarantee of improvement and may in some cases
actually be worse.  Lower cetane and lubricity are 2 possible outcomes

Modern diesel is low sulfur.  The sulfur is what was used to increase the
lubricity which is critical to reducing wear on the fuel injectors and HP
pump.  IMO this is a bigger hazard to operation of the engine than bio
growth.  I use an additive from Opti-Lube called XPD.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/76-speciality-forums/64-maintenance-fluids/177728-lubricity-additive-study-results.html#/forumsite/20625/topics/177728

It does seem that there is a certain amount of mysticism with all of this.
Some people report no problems after years of not changing filters, sitting
on the hard, partially filled tanks,  etc.  And others seem to be very
particular with regard to fuel system maintenance and yet perpetually
battle goo, debris, clogged filters, etc.

My vote is a using a filter funnel while refueling, adding the opti-lube
XPD, and using as much of the fuel in the tank as possible between fill ups.

As always YMMV

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Oct 12, 2015 12:39 PM, "Richard N. Bush via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a
> 1985 37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel
> fill up and the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a
> street gas station; although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon
> cheaper, I noted that it was the "green" color rather than the "red" color;
> so my question is do I need to put some type of sulpher additive or
> something along those lines into this fuel? I did motor with it for an
> extended time on Sunday with no adverse effects; in addition to this
> question, what should I use for the upcoming winter layup? many thanks
>
> Richard
> 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just has a
dye  in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not been paid.

 

When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million of
Sulphur content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating the
injection pump, injectors, etc.

 

In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissions standards,
Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content was reduced to 500 PPM,
and lubricity additives were incorporated in the fuel.

 

In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emission
standards, Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content on
current fuel is 15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULS fuel,
just like a new gas engine is designed for ethanol.

 

Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to teach
technicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive to your
fuel if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became the norm.
For our size engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in Canada). The
service bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which I unfortunately lost when
the laptop's hard drive went up in smoke) both specifically recommend the
additive from Stanadyne.

 

Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add Standyne
lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a product from Lucas). It
can't hurt.

 

I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep my tank
full during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live in the water in
the tank and eat the diesel (don't get me started on bio-diesel). An
algaecide and reducing the chances of condensation in the tank are good
policy for avoiding fuel filter problems.

 

I've used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so I'm not concerned with the
duel degrading in storage like you get with ethanol stored in a boat. Diesel
can generally be stored for about two years without significant degradation.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard
N. Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

 

With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a
1985 37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel
fill up and the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a
street gas station; although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon
cheaper, I noted that it was the "green" color rather than the "red" color;
so my question is do I need to put some type of sulpher additive or
something along those lines into this fuel? I did motor with it for an
extended time on Sunday with no adverse effects; in addition to this
question, what should I use for the upcoming winter layup? many thanks 

 

Richard

1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Paul Eugenio via CnC-List]

Hi Richard,

As many folks have already noted, ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD) has been the 
standard since 2010.   I use Biobor JF which is  a Diesel Biocide and Lubricity 
Additive.   I think most people don’t realize that Biobor is also a lube 
additive.

On another note mentioned by others, I faithfully use a Mr Funnel fuel filter 
when adding fuel to the tank.   It will slow you down when you are fueling at a 
dock side pump, and most of the times the fuel is fine, but the times when you 
find water in the filter are a real eye opener.


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com



> On Oct 12, 2015, at 8:27 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:39:13 -0400
> From: "Richard N. Bush" mailto:bushma...@aol.com>>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a 1985 
> 37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel fill up 
> and the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a street gas 
> station; although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon cheaper, I noted 
> that it was the "green" color rather than the "red" color; so my question is 
> do I need to put some type of sulpher additive or something along those lines 
> into this fuel? I did motor with it for an extended time on Sunday with no 
> adverse effects; in addition to this question, what should I use for the 
> upcoming winter layup? many thanks 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;
> 
> 
> Richard N. Bush  
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 

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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Hi Paul,

I use the Mr. Funnel funnel, as well. I wonder though, what do you do with the 
half cup of fuel that is left in the Funnel after it does its filtration? I 
don’t have a tractor.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: Paul Eugenio via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Paul Eugenio 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

Hi Richard,

As many folks have already noted, ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD) has been the 
standard since 2010.   I use Biobor JF which is  a Diesel Biocide and Lubricity 
Additive.   I think most people don’t realize that Biobor is also a lube 
additive.

On another note mentioned by others, I faithfully use a Mr Funnel fuel filter 
when adding fuel to the tank.   It will slow you down when you are fueling at a 
dock side pump, and most of the times the fuel is fine, but the times when you 
find water in the filter are a real eye opener.


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com



  On Oct 12, 2015, at 8:27 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

  Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:39:13 -0400
  From: "Richard N. Bush" 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
  Message-ID:
  <8d2d323a94a4bbf-211c-3d...@webmailstg-vd08.sysops.aol.com>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


  With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a 1985 
37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel fill up and 
the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a street gas station; 
although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon cheaper, I noted that it was 
the "green" color rather than the "red" color; so my question is do I need to 
put some type of sulpher additive or something along those lines into this 
fuel? I did motor with it for an extended time on Sunday with no adverse 
effects; in addition to this question, what should I use for the upcoming 
winter layup? many thanks 




  Richard
  1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;


  Richard N. Bush  
  2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
  Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
  502-584-7255







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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Paul Eugenio via CnC-List]

At my marina, I just simple dump it into the used oil tank.  Other times, I 
have either temporarily stored it in a G2-like bottle (marked as waste oil) or 
simply poured it back into the jerry can (unless it clearly had water 
contaminants).


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com <http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/>


> On Oct 13, 2015, at 8:56 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 08:56:06 -0400
> From: "Marek Dziedzic"  <mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>>
> To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
> Message-ID:  <mailto:blu184-ds131853925c1b14f9413d79ce...@phx.gbl>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> I use the Mr. Funnel funnel, as well. I wonder though, what do you do with 
> the half cup of fuel that is left in the Funnel after it does its filtration? 
> I don?t have a tractor.
> 
> Marek
> 1994 C270 ?Legato?
> Ottawa, ON

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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The manufacturer recommends that you periodically test the filter funnel by
adding water to the cup and verifying that it doesn't pass through.  Once
you've got water in the funnel you can add your fuel.  The fuel will pass
leaving the water.  When you're done you'll find only water and a very thin
oily film.  I suppose you now you have to figure out what to do with the
water.  There is only a slight amount of oil left so let you conscience be
your guide.

Remember, don't use any type of soap to clean the funnel or in the water.
The soap releases the surface tension of water and allows it to pass
through the filter.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Oct 13, 2015 8:56 AM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> I use the Mr. Funnel funnel, as well. I wonder though, what do you do with
> the half cup of fuel that is left in the Funnel after it does its
> filtration? I don’t have a tractor.
>
> Marek
> 1994 C270 “Legato”
> Ottawa, ON
>
> *From:* Paul Eugenio via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:52 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Paul Eugenio 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> As many folks have already noted, ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD) has been
> the standard since 2010.   I use Biobor JF which is  a Diesel Biocide and
> Lubricity Additive.   I think most people don’t realize that Biobor is also
> a lube additive.
>
> On another note mentioned by others, I faithfully use a Mr Funnel fuel
> filter when adding fuel to the tank.   It will slow you down when you are
> fueling at a dock side pump, and most of the times the fuel is fine, but
> the times when you find water in the filter are a real eye opener.
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2015, at 8:27 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:39:13 -0400
> From: "Richard N. Bush" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
> Message-ID:
> <8d2d323a94a4bbf-211c-3d...@webmailstg-vd08.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a
> 1985 37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel
> fill up and the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a
> street gas station; although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon
> cheaper, I noted that it was the "green" color rather than the "red" color;
> so my question is do I need to put some type of sulpher additive or
> something along those lines into this fuel? I did motor with it for an
> extended time on Sunday with no adverse effects; in addition to this
> question, what should I use for the upcoming winter layup? many thanks
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Hi Rick, 
A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years that looks 
better than new, suggested I use SeaFoam in both fuel and engine oil. It's 
inexpensive and seems to make starting much easier, so I've been using that for 
the last 8 years. I use Bio-Flo Jr when I top off the tank for winter. Any 
thoughts on SeaFoam? 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Rick Brass"  
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? 



All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just has a dye 
in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not been paid. 



When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million of Sulphur 
content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating the injection 
pump, injectors, etc. 



In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissions standards, Low 
Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content was reduced to 500 PPM, and 
lubricity additives were incorporated in the fuel. 



In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emission standards, 
Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content on current fuel is 
15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULS fuel, just like a new gas 
engine is designed for ethanol. 



Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to teach 
technicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive to your fuel 
if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became the norm. For our 
size engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in Canada). The service 
bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which I unfortunately lost when the laptop’s 
hard drive went up in smoke) both specifically recommend the additive from 
Stanadyne. 



Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add Standyne 
lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a product from Lucas). It 
can’t hurt. 



I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep my tank full 
during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live in the water in the tank 
and eat the diesel (don’t get me started on bio-diesel). An algaecide and 
reducing the chances of condensation in the tank are good policy for avoiding 
fuel filter problems. 



I’ve used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so I’m not concerned with the duel 
degrading in storage like you get with ethanol stored in a boat. Diesel can 
generally be stored for about two years without significant degradation. 



Rick Brass 

Washington, NC 







From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:39 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Richard N. Bush  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? 




With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a 1985 
37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel fill up and 
the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a street gas station; 
although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon cheaper, I noted that it was 
the "green" color rather than the "red" color; so my question is do I need to 
put some type of sulpher additive or something along those lines into this 
fuel? I did motor with it for an extended time on Sunday with no adverse 
effects; in addition to this question, what should I use for the upcoming 
winter layup? many thanks 





Richard 


1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584; 


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 










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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I suspect most old car guys are familiar with Seafoam. Though I can't recall 
exactly what is in it. I've always used it as an additive for gasoline engines 
- boat fuel, mower fuel, oil mix for power tools and the outboard. I think of 
it as a better alternative to Stabil.

Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or added it to 
engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rick,
> A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years that looks 
> better than new, suggested I use SeaFoam in both fuel and engine oil.  It's 
> inexpensive and seems to make starting much easier, so I've been using that 
> for the last 8 years.  I use Bio-Flo Jr when I top off the tank for winter.  
> Any thoughts on SeaFoam?
> 
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
> 
> From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: "Rick Brass" 
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
> 
> All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just has a dye 
>  in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not been paid.
>  
> When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million of Sulphur 
> content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating the injection 
> pump, injectors, etc.
>  
> In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissions standards, 
> Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content was reduced to 500 PPM, 
> and lubricity additives were incorporated in the fuel.
>  
> In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emission 
> standards, Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content on 
> current fuel is 15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULS fuel, 
> just like a new gas engine is designed for ethanol.
>  
> Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to teach 
> technicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive to your 
> fuel if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became the norm. 
> For our size engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in Canada). The 
> service bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which I unfortunately lost when 
> the laptop’s hard drive went up in smoke) both specifically recommend the 
> additive from Stanadyne.
>  
> Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add Standyne 
> lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a product from Lucas). It 
> can’t hurt.
>  
> I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep my tank full 
> during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live in the water in the 
> tank and eat the diesel (don’t get me started on bio-diesel). An algaecide 
> and reducing the chances of condensation in the tank are good policy for 
> avoiding fuel filter problems.
>  
> I’ve used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so I’m not concerned with the duel 
> degrading in storage like you get with ethanol stored in a boat. Diesel can 
> generally be stored for about two years without significant degradation.
>  
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
> Bush via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:39 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Richard N. Bush 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
>  
> With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a 1985 
> 37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel fill up 
> and the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a street gas 
> station; although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon cheaper, I noted 
> that it was the "green" color rather than the "red" color; so my question is 
> do I need to put some type of sulpher additive or something along those lines 
> into this fuel? I did motor with it for an extended time on Sunday with no 
> adverse effects; in addition to this question, what should I use for the 
> upcoming winter layup? many thanks
>  
> Richard
> 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;
> 
> 
> Richard N. Bush  
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Not sure why it works, but I saw improvement. I add an ounce of SEAFOAM to each 
gallon of fuel and one ounce to each quart of oil. I add it to the oil when I 
change it each Fall, and I add it to my boat's fuel tank just before I add 
fuel. The can is 16oz and I only add 5 oz to the engine and 5 oz to the fuel 
tank when I pour in a 5 gallon jerry can. The balance of an open can goes into 
my car's gas tank. It's very thin and seems to help starting and smooth 
running. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "robert via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "robert"  
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:47:52 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? 

Check this out: 

http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/ 



Rob Abbott 
AZURA 
C&C 32 - 84 
Halifax, N.S. 

On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: 



I suspect most old car guys are familiar with Seafoam. Though I can't recall 
exactly what is in it. I've always used it as an additive for gasoline engines 
- boat fuel, mower fuel, oil mix for power tools and the outboard. I think of 
it as a better alternative to Stabil. 

Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or added it to 
engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out. 

Rick Brass 
Washington, NC 

Sent from my iPad 

On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 




Hi Rick, 
A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years that looks 
better than new, suggested I use SeaFoam in both fuel and engine oil. It's 
inexpensive and seems to make starting much easier, so I've been using that for 
the last 8 years. I use Bio-Flo Jr when I top off the tank for winter. Any 
thoughts on SeaFoam? 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Rick Brass" < rickbr...@earthlink.net > 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? 



All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just has a dye 
in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not been paid. 



When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million of Sulphur 
content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating the injection 
pump, injectors, etc. 



In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissions standards, Low 
Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content was reduced to 500 PPM, and 
lubricity additives were incorporated in the fuel. 



In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emission standards, 
Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content on current fuel is 
15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULS fuel, just like a new gas 
engine is designed for ethanol. 



Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to teach 
technicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive to your fuel 
if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became the norm. For our 
size engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in Canada). The service 
bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which I unfortunately lost when the laptop’s 
hard drive went up in smoke) both specifically recommend the additive from 
Stanadyne. 



Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add Standyne 
lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a product from Lucas). It 
can’t hurt. 



I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep my tank full 
during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live in the water in the tank 
and eat the diesel (don’t get me started on bio-diesel). An algaecide and 
reducing the chances of condensation in the tank are good policy for avoiding 
fuel filter problems. 



I’ve used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so I’m not concerned with the duel 
degrading in storage like you get with ethanol stored in a boat. Diesel can 
generally be stored for about two years without significant degradation. 



Rick Brass 

Washington, NC 







From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:39 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Richard N. Bush < bushma...@aol.com > 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? 




With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a 1985 
37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel fill up and 
the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a street gas station; 
although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon cheaper, I noted that it was 
the "green" color rather than the "red" color; so my question is do I need to 
put som

Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Paul Eugenio via CnC-List]

I have seen it at Walmart.  


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


> On Oct 13, 2015, at 10:34 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 23:34:08 -0300
> From: robert mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>>
> To: 1 CnC List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
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> 
>  Chuck et al:
> 
> I have not heard of the productwhere do you buy it?..automotive 
> store, marine store, hardware store?
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.

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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Richard Davis via CnC-List]

Amazon.

> On Oct 13, 2015, at 7:34 PM, robert via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>  Chuck et al:
> 
> I have not heard of the productwhere do you buy it?..automotive 
> store, marine store, hardware store?
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> On 2015-10-13 11:04 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote:
>> Not sure why it works, but I saw improvement.  I add an ounce of SEAFOAM to 
>> each gallon of fuel and one ounce to each quart of oil.  I add it to the oil 
>> when I change it each Fall, and I add it to my boat's fuel tank just before 
>> I add fuel.  The can is 16oz and I only add 5 oz to the engine and 5 oz to 
>> the fuel tank when I pour in a 5 gallon jerry can.  The balance of an open 
>> can goes into my car's gas tank.  It's very thin and seems to help starting 
>> and smooth running.  
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>> 
>> From: "robert via CnC-List"  
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: "robert"  <mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:47:52 PM
>> Subject: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
>> 
>> Check this out:
>> 
>> http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/ 
>> <http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, N.S.
>> 
>> On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:
>> I suspect most old car guys are familiar with Seafoam. Though I can't recall 
>> exactly what is in it. I've always used it as an additive for gasoline 
>> engines - boat fuel, mower fuel, oil mix for power tools and the outboard. I 
>> think of it as a better alternative to Stabil.
>> 
>> Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or added it to 
>> engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out.
>> 
>> Rick Brass
>> Washington, NC
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List < 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rick,
>> A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years that 
>> looks better than new, suggested I use SeaFoam in both fuel and engine oil.  
>> It's inexpensive and seems to make starting much easier, so I've been using 
>> that for the last 8 years.  I use Bio-Flo Jr when I top off the tank for 
>> winter.  Any thoughts on SeaFoam?
>> 
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>> 
>> From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List" < 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: "Rick Brass" < <mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net>rickbr...@earthlink.net 
>> <mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net>>
>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
>> 
>> All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just has a 
>> dye  in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not been paid.
>> 
>>  
>> When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million of 
>> Sulphur content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating the 
>> injection pump, injectors, etc.
>> 
>>  
>> In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissions standards, 
>> Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content was reduced to 500 PPM, 
>> and lubricity additives were incorporated in the fuel.
>> 
>>  
>> In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emission 
>> standards, Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content on 
>> current fuel is 15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULS fuel, 
>> just like a new gas engine is designed for ethanol.
>> 
>>  
>> Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to teach 
>> technicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive to your 
>> fuel if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became the norm. 
>> For our size engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in Canada). The 
>> service bulletins fr

Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Canadian Tire, $12.50

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-10-13 11:16 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote:

Chuck et al:

I have not heard of the productwhere do you buy 
it?..automotive store, marine store, hardware store?


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-13 11:04 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote:
Not sure why it works, but I saw improvement.  I add an ounce of 
SEAFOAM to each gallon of fuel and one ounce to each quart of oil.  I 
add it to the oil when I change it each Fall, and I add it to my 
boat's fuel tank just before I add fuel.  The can is 16oz and I only 
add 5 oz to the engine and 5 oz to the fuel tank when I pour in a 5 
gallon jerry can.  The balance of an open can goes into my car's gas 
tank.  It's very thin and seems to help starting and smooth running.



Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


*From: *"robert via CnC-List" 
*To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc: *"robert" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:47:52 PM
*Subject: *Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

Check this out:

http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/



Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:

I suspect most old car guys are familiar with Seafoam. Though I
can't recall exactly what is in it. I've always used it as an
additive for gasoline engines - boat fuel, mower fuel, oil mix
for power tools and the outboard. I think of it as a better
alternative to Stabil.

Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or
added it to engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List
 wrote:

Hi Rick,
A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25
years that looks better than new, suggested I use *SeaFoam
*in both fuel and engine oil.  It's inexpensive and seems to
make starting much easier, so I've been using that for the
last 8 years.  I use Bio-Flo Jr when I top off the tank for
winter.  Any thoughts on SeaFoam?

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


*From: *"Rick Brass via CnC-List" 
*To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
    *Cc: *"Rick Brass" 
*Sent: *Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red
stuff just has a dye  in it to indicate that the highway fuel
tax has not been paid.

When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per
million of Sulphur content. The Sulphur was a significant
factor in lubricating the injection pump, injectors, etc.

In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2
emissions standards, Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory.
Sulphur content was reduced to 500 PPM, and lubricity
additives were incorporated in the fuel.

In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3
emission standards, Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became
mandatory. Sulphur content on current fuel is 15 PPM. A new
Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULS fuel, just like a new
gas engine is designed for ethanol.

Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used
to teach technicians about) all recommend that you add a
lubricity additive to your fuel if your engine was built
before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became the norm. For our size
engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in Canada). The
service bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which I
unfortunately lost when the laptop’s hard drive went up in
smoke) both specifically recommend the additive from Stanadyne.

Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still
add Standyne lubricity additive (although I do occasional use
a product from Lucas). It can’t hurt.

I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to
keep my tank full during winter storage. As Josh said, the
nasties live in the water in the tank and eat the diesel
(don’t get me started on bio-diesel). An algaecide and
reducing the chances of condensation in the tank are good
policy for avoiding fuel filter problems.

I’ve used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so I’m not
concerned with the duel degrading in storage like you get
with ethanol stored in a boat. Diesel can generally be stored

Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Seafoam reminds me of the Marvel Mystery Oil claims. I can't find MMO 
at Canadian tire any more, used it in the A4 (oil & gas) regularly.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 06:47 PM 13/10/2015, you wrote:

Check this out:

<http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/>http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/



Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:
I suspect most old car guys are familiar with Seafoam. Though I 
can't recall exactly what is in it. I've always used it as an 
additive for gasoline engines - boat fuel, mower fuel, oil mix for 
power tools and the outboard. I think of it as a better alternative to Stabil.


Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or 
added it to engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out.


Rick Brass
Washington, NC

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List 
<<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



Hi Rick,
A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years 
that looks better than new, suggested I use SeaFoam in both fuel 
and engine oil.  It's inexpensive and seems to make starting much 
easier, so I've been using that for the last 8 years.  I use 
Bio-Flo Jr when I top off the tank for winter.  Any thoughts on SeaFoam?


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


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To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Rick Brass" <<mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net>rickbr...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff 
just has a dye  in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not been paid.




When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million 
of Sulphur content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in 
lubricating the injection pump, injectors, etc.




In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissions 
standards, Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content 
was reduced to 500 PPM, and lubricity additives were incorporated in the fuel.




In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 
emission standards, Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. 
Sulphur content on current fuel is 15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is 
designed to run on ULS fuel, just like a new gas engine is 
designed for ethanol.




Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to 
teach technicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity 
additive to your fuel if your engine was built before Tier 3 and 
ULS diesel became the norm. For our size engines that means about 
2010 (1 year later in Canada). The service bulletins from Yanmar 
and Cummins (which I unfortunately lost when the laptop's hard 
drive went up in smoke) both specifically recommend the additive 
from Stanadyne.




Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add 
Standyne lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a 
product from Lucas). It can't hurt.




I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep 
my tank full during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live 
in the water in the tank and eat the diesel (don't get me started 
on bio-diesel). An algaecide and reducing the chances of 
condensation in the tank are good policy for avoiding fuel filter problems.




I've used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so I'm not concerned 
with the duel degrading in storage like you get with ethanol 
stored in a boat. Diesel can generally be stored for about two 
years without significant degradation.




Rick Brass

Washington, NC







From: CnC-List 
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On Behalf Of Richard N. Bush via CnC-List

Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:39 PM
To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush <<mailto:bushma...@aol.com>bushma...@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?



With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my 
boat is a 1985 37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for 
my annual diesel fill up and the pumps were out of order; so I had 
to get diesel from a street gas station; although the cost was 
almost a dollar per gallon cheaper, I noted that it was the 
"green" color rather than the "red" color; so my question is do I 
need to put some type of sulpher additive or something along those 
lines into this fuel? I did motor with it for an extended time on 
Sunday with no adverse effects; in addition to this question, what 
should I use for the upcoming winter layup? many thanks




Richard

Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

I get seafoam at Lordco.

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:17:57 -0700
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: russ...@telus.net





Seafoam reminds me of the Marvel Mystery Oil claims. I can't find MMO at
Canadian tire any more, used it in the A4 (oil & gas)
regularly.


Cheers,
Russ

Sweet
35 mk-1


At 06:47 PM 13/10/2015, you wrote:

Check this out:



http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/





Rob Abbott

AZURA

C&C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.


On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:

I suspect most old car guys are
familiar with Seafoam. Though I can't recall exactly what is in it. I've
always used it as an additive for gasoline engines - boat fuel, mower
fuel, oil mix for power tools and the outboard. I think of it as a better
alternative to Stabil.


Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or added it
to engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out.


Rick Brass

Washington, NC


Sent from my iPad


On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List

wrote:


Hi Rick,

A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years that
looks better than new, suggested I use SeaFoam in both fuel and
engine oil.  It's inexpensive and seems to make starting much
easier, so I've been using that for the last 8 years.  I use Bio-Flo
Jr when I top off the tank for winter.  Any thoughts on
SeaFoam?


Chuck

Resolute

1990 C&C 34R

Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md



From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List"


To:
cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: "Rick Brass"


Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM

Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?


All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just has a
dye  in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not been
paid.


 


When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million of
Sulphur content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating the
injection pump, injectors, etc.


 


In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissions
standards, Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content was
reduced to 500 PPM, and lubricity additives were incorporated in the
fuel.


 


In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emission
standards, Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content on
current fuel is 15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULS
fuel, just like a new gas engine is designed for ethanol.


 


Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to teach
technicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive to
your fuel if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became
the norm. For our size engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in
Canada). The service bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which I
unfortunately lost when the laptop’s hard drive went up in smoke) both
specifically recommend the additive from Stanadyne.


 


Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add Standyne
lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a product from Lucas).
It can’t hurt.


 


I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep my tank
full during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live in the water
in the tank and eat the diesel (don’t get me started on bio-diesel). An
algaecide and reducing the chances of condensation in the tank are good
policy for avoiding fuel filter problems.


 


I’ve used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so I’m not concerned with the
duel degrading in storage like you get with ethanol stored in a boat.
Diesel can generally be stored for about two years without significant
degradation.


 


Rick Brass


Washington, NC


 


 


 


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[
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N.
Bush via CnC-List

Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:39 PM

To:
cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Richard N. Bush


Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?


 


With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a
1985 37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel
fill up and the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a
street gas station; although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon
cheaper, I noted that it was the "green" color rather than the
"red" color; so my question is do I need to put some type of
sulpher additive or something along those lines into this fuel? I did
motor with it for an extended time on Sunday with no adverse effects; in
addition to this question, what should I use for the upcoming winter
layup? many thanks 


 


Richard


1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;




Richard N. Bush  

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

502-584-7255


 


 


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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Available in US auto parts stores. Doesn't  ship across the border.

-Original Message-
From: "Russ & Melody via CnC-List" 
Sent: ‎2015-‎10-‎14 10:18 PM
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: "Russ & Melody" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?


Seafoam reminds me of the Marvel Mystery Oil claims. I can't find MMO at 
Canadian tire any more, used it in the A4 (oil & gas) regularly.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 06:47 PM 13/10/2015, you wrote:

Check this out:

http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/



Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:

I suspect most old car guys are familiar with Seafoam. Though I can't recall 
exactly what is in it. I've always used it as an additive for gasoline engines 
- boat fuel, mower fuel, oil mix for power tools and the outboard. I think of 
it as a better alternative to Stabil.

Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or added it to 
engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List  wrote:


Hi Rick,
A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years that looks 
better than new, suggested I use SeaFoam in both fuel and engine oil.  It's 
inexpensive and seems to make starting much easier, so I've been using that for 
the last 8 years.  I use Bio-Flo Jr when I top off the tank for winter.  Any 
thoughts on SeaFoam?

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md



From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Rick Brass" 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just has a dye  
in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not been paid.

 

When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million of Sulphur 
content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating the injection 
pump, injectors, etc.

 

In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissions standards, Low 
Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content was reduced to 500 PPM, and 
lubricity additives were incorporated in the fuel.

 

In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emission standards, 
Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content on current fuel is 
15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULS fuel, just like a new gas 
engine is designed for ethanol.

 

Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to teach 
technicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive to your fuel 
if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became the norm. For our 
size engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in Canada). The service 
bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which I unfortunately lost when the laptops 
hard drive went up in smoke) both specifically recommend the additive from 
Stanadyne.

 

Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add Standyne 
lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a product from Lucas). It 
cant hurt.

 

I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep my tank full 
during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live in the water in the tank 
and eat the diesel (dont get me started on bio-diesel). An algaecide and 
reducing the chances of condensation in the tank are good policy for avoiding 
fuel filter problems.

 

Ive used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so Im not concerned with the duel 
degrading in storage like you get with ethanol stored in a boat. Diesel can 
generally be stored for about two years without significant degradation.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

 

With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a 1985 
37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel fill up and 
the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a street gas station; 
although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon cheaper, I noted that it was 
the "green" color rather than the "red" color; so my question is do I need to 
put some type of sulpher additive or something along those lines into this 
fuel? I did motor with it for an extended time on Sunday with no adverse 
effects; in addition to this question, what should I use for the upcoming 
winter layup? many thanks 

 

Richard

1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

Email address: CnC-Li

Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Both Walmart, KMart, carry MMO and Seafoam 

- Original Message -

From: "John Irvin via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "John Irvin"  
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:57:57 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? 

Available in US auto parts stores. Doesn't ship across the border. 

From: Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
Sent: ‎2015-‎10-‎14 10:18 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Russ & Melody 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? 


Seafoam reminds me of the Marvel Mystery Oil claims. I can't find MMO at 
Canadian tire any more, used it in the A4 (oil & gas) regularly. 

Cheers, Russ 
Sweet 35 mk-1 

At 06:47 PM 13/10/2015, you wrote: 


Check this out: 

http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/ 



Rob Abbott 
AZURA 
C&C 32 - 84 
Halifax, N.S. 

On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: 


I suspect most old car guys are familiar with Seafoam. Though I can't recall 
exactly what is in it. I've always used it as an additive for gasoline engines 
- boat fuel, mower fuel, oil mix for power tools and the outboard. I think of 
it as a better alternative to Stabil. 

Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or added it to 
engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out. 

Rick Brass 
Washington, NC 

Sent from my iPad 

On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



Hi Rick, 
A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years that looks 
better than new, suggested I use SeaFoam in both fuel and engine oil. It's 
inexpensive and seems to make starting much easier, so I've been using that for 
the last 8 years. I use Bio-Flo Jr when I top off the tank for winter. Any 
thoughts on SeaFoam? 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 


From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Rick Brass" < rickbr...@earthlink.net > 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? 

All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just has a dye 
in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not been paid. 



When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million of Sulphur 
content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating the injection 
pump, injectors, etc. 



In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissions standards, Low 
Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content was reduced to 500 PPM, and 
lubricity additives were incorporated in the fuel. 



In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emission standards, 
Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content on current fuel is 
15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULS fuel, just like a new gas 
engine is designed for ethanol. 



Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to teach 
technicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive to your fuel 
if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became the norm. For our 
size engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in Canada). The service 
bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which I unfortunately lost when the laptops 
hard drive went up in smoke) both specifically recommend the additive from 
Stanadyne. 



Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add Standyne 
lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a product from Lucas). It cant 
hurt. 



I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep my tank full 
during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live in the water in the tank 
and eat the diesel (dont get me started on bio-diesel). An algaecide and 
reducing the chances of condensation in the tank are good policy for avoiding 
fuel filter problems. 



Ive used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so Im not concerned with the duel 
degrading in storage like you get with ethanol stored in a boat. Diesel can 
generally be stored for about two years without significant degradation. 



Rick Brass 

Washington, NC 







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Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:39 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Richard N. Bush < bushma...@aol.com > 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? 



With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a 1985 
37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel fill up and 
the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a street gas station; 
although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon cheaper, I noted that it was 
the "green" color rather than the "red" color; so my question is do I need to 
put some type of sulpher additive or something along those lines into this 
fuel? I did motor

Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

SeaFoam like Modern Mystery Oil has been around many years, you should find it 
at any automotive store or department store automotive department like Advanced 
Auto, Auto Zone, Pep Boys. I buy the 16 oz cans, and keep a can aboard for when 
I might need it. 

https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0LEV1GHgSJWle0AfRdXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0N2Noc21lBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNwaXZz?p=seafoam+gas+treatment&fr=chr-greentree_ff&fr2=piv-web#id=0&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgalleryplus.ebayimg.com%2Fws%2Fweb%2F141078799313_1_0_1%2F1000x1000.jpg&action=click
 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "robert via CnC-List"  
To: "1 CnC List"  
Cc: "robert"  
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:34:08 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? 

Chuck et al: 

I have not heard of the productwhere do you buy it?..automotive store, 
marine store, hardware store? 

Rob Abbott 
AZURA 
C&C 32 - 84 
Halifax, N.S. 

On 2015-10-13 11:04 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: 



Not sure why it works, but I saw improvement. I add an ounce of SEAFOAM to each 
gallon of fuel and one ounce to each quart of oil. I add it to the oil when I 
change it each Fall, and I add it to my boat's fuel tank just before I add 
fuel. The can is 16oz and I only add 5 oz to the engine and 5 oz to the fuel 
tank when I pour in a 5 gallon jerry can. The balance of an open can goes into 
my car's gas tank. It's very thin and seems to help starting and smooth 
running. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "robert via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "robert"  
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:47:52 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? 

Check this out: 

http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/ 



Rob Abbott 
AZURA 
C&C 32 - 84 
Halifax, N.S. 

On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: 



I suspect most old car guys are familiar with Seafoam. Though I can't recall 
exactly what is in it. I've always used it as an additive for gasoline engines 
- boat fuel, mower fuel, oil mix for power tools and the outboard. I think of 
it as a better alternative to Stabil. 

Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or added it to 
engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out. 

Rick Brass 
Washington, NC 

Sent from my iPad 

On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 




Hi Rick, 
A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years that looks 
better than new, suggested I use SeaFoam in both fuel and engine oil. It's 
inexpensive and seems to make starting much easier, so I've been using that for 
the last 8 years. I use Bio-Flo Jr when I top off the tank for winter. Any 
thoughts on SeaFoam? 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Rick Brass" < rickbr...@earthlink.net > 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? 



All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just has a dye 
in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not been paid. 



When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million of Sulphur 
content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating the injection 
pump, injectors, etc. 



In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissions standards, Low 
Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content was reduced to 500 PPM, and 
lubricity additives were incorporated in the fuel. 



In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emission standards, 
Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content on current fuel is 
15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULS fuel, just like a new gas 
engine is designed for ethanol. 



Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to teach 
technicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive to your fuel 
if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became the norm. For our 
size engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in Canada). The service 
bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which I unfortunately lost when the laptop’s 
hard drive went up in smoke) both specifically recommend the additive from 
Stanadyne. 



Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add Standyne 
lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a product from Lucas). It 
can’t hurt. 



I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep my tank full 
during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live in the water in the tank 
and eat the diesel (don’t get me started on bio

Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? Mixing?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

OK upon reading  the several responses; if Stanadyne is the manufacturers 
recommendation, and others like Seafoam or Biobor; my question is; are these 
products mutually exclusive? Or can they be mixed together? Should one red over 
the other? Thanks...
 

Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Paul Baker via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Paul Baker 
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 1:27 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?



I get seafoam at Lordco.



Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:17:57 -0700
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: russ...@telus.net


Seafoam reminds me of the Marvel Mystery Oil claims. I can't find MMO 
atCanadian tire any more, used it in the A4 (oil & gas)regularly.

Cheers,Russ
Sweet35 mk-1

At 06:47 PM 13/10/2015, you wrote:

Check this out:

http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/



Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:

I suspect most old car guys arefamiliar with Seafoam. Though I can't recall 
exactly what is in it. I'vealways used it as an additive for gasoline engines - 
boat fuel, mowerfuel, oil mix for power tools and the outboard. I think of it 
as a betteralternative to Stabil.

Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or added itto 
engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-Listwrote:


Hi Rick,
A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years thatlooks 
better than new, suggested I use SeaFoam in both fuel andengine oil.  It's 
inexpensive and seems to make starting mucheasier, so I've been using that for 
the last 8 years.  I use Bio-FloJr when I top off the tank for winter.  Any 
thoughts onSeaFoam?

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List"
To:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Rick Brass"
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just has adye  
in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not beenpaid.

 

When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million ofSulphur 
content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating theinjection pump, 
injectors, etc.

 

In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissionsstandards, Low 
Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content wasreduced to 500 PPM, and 
lubricity additives were incorporated in thefuel.

 

In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emissionstandards, 
Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content oncurrent fuel is 15 
PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULSfuel, just like a new gas 
engine is designed for ethanol.

 

Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to 
teachtechnicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive toyour 
fuel if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel becamethe norm. For 
our size engines that means about 2010 (1 year later inCanada). The service 
bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which Iunfortunately lost when the laptop’s 
hard drive went up in smoke) bothspecifically recommend the additive from 
Stanadyne.

 

Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add 
Standynelubricity additive (although I do occasional use a product from 
Lucas).It can’t hurt.

 

I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep my tankfull 
during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live in the waterin the tank 
and eat the diesel (don’t get me started on bio-diesel). Analgaecide and 
reducing the chances of condensation in the tank are goodpolicy for avoiding 
fuel filter problems.

 

I’ve used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so I’m not concerned with theduel 
degrading in storage like you get with ethanol stored in a boat.Diesel can 
generally be stored for about two years without significantdegradation.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
N.Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:39 PM
To:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

 

With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a1985 37 
with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual dieselfill up and the 
pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from astreet gas station; 
although the cost was almost a dollar per galloncheaper, I noted that it was 
the "green" color rather than the"red" color; so my question is do I need to 
put some type o

Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? Mixing?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Richard,

That's exactly the reason I stick to using one product designed and highly
rated as a lubricity additive.  I then rely on turning over the fuel within
6 months to avoid growth.  IMO Engines are designed to burn diesel not a
chemical cocktail.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Oct 15, 2015 8:05 AM, "Richard N. Bush via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> OK upon reading  the several responses; if Stanadyne is the manufacturers
> recommendation, and others like Seafoam or Biobor; my question is; are
> these products mutually exclusive? Or can they be mixed together? Should
> one red over the other? Thanks...
>
> Richard
> 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Baker via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Paul Baker 
> Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 1:27 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
>
> I get seafoam at Lordco.
>
> ----------
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:17:57 -0700
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: russ...@telus.net
>
>
> Seafoam reminds me of the Marvel Mystery Oil claims. I can't find MMO at
> Canadian tire any more, used it in the A4 (oil & gas) regularly.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
> At 06:47 PM 13/10/2015, you wrote:
>
> Check this out:
>
> http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/
>
>
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I suspect most old car guys are familiar with Seafoam. Though I can't
> recall exactly what is in it. I've always used it as an additive for
> gasoline engines - boat fuel, mower fuel, oil mix for power tools and the
> outboard. I think of it as a better alternative to Stabil.
>
> Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or added it to
> engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out.
>
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Rick,
> A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years that
> looks better than new, suggested I use *SeaFoam *in both fuel and engine
> oil.  It's inexpensive and seems to make starting much easier, so I've been
> using that for the last 8 years.  I use Bio-Flo Jr when I top off the tank
> for winter.  Any thoughts on SeaFoam?
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
> --
> *From: *"Rick Brass via CnC-List" 
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *"Rick Brass" 
> *Sent: *Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
>
> All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just has a
> dye  in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not been paid.
>
>
>
> When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million of
> Sulphur content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating the
> injection pump, injectors, etc.
>
>
>
> In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissions standards,
> Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content was reduced to 500
> PPM, and lubricity additives were incorporated in the fuel.
>
>
>
> In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emission
> standards, Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content on
> current fuel is 15 PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULS fuel,
> just like a new gas engine is designed for ethanol.
>
>
>
> Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to teach
> technicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive to your
> fuel if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel became the norm.
> For our size engines that means about 2010 (1 year later in Canada). The
> service bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which I unfortunately lost when
> the laptop’s hard drive went up in smoke) both specifically recommend the
> additive from Stanadyne.
>
>
>
> Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add Standyne
> lubricity additive (although I do occasional use a product from Lucas). It
> can’t hurt.
>
>
>
> I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep my tank
> full during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live in the water in
> the tank and eat the d

Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? Mixing?

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Richard,

 

I use Stanadyne Performance Formula and Bio-bor.  They have separate functions. 
 I follow the label instructions on each.  No ill effects in 15 years of use.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 08:04
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? Mixing?

 

OK upon reading  the several responses; if Stanadyne is the manufacturers 
recommendation, and others like Seafoam or Biobor; my question is; are these 
products mutually exclusive? Or can they be mixed together? Should one red over 
the other? Thanks...

 

Richard

1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584

 


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 
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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? Mixing?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Ditto.

 

Biobor is an algaecide (though it may have other things in it?). Stanadyne is a 
lubricant. Have used both for perhaps 10 years.

 

Rick Brass

 

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Brodersen via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:58 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jake Brodersen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? Mixing?

 

Richard,

 

I use Stanadyne Performance Formula and Bio-bor.  They have separate functions. 
 I follow the label instructions on each.  No ill effects in 15 years of use.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 08:04
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? Mixing?

 

OK upon reading  the several responses; if Stanadyne is the manufacturers 
recommendation, and others like Seafoam or Biobor; my question is; are these 
products mutually exclusive? Or can they be mixed together? Should one red over 
the other? Thanks...

 

Richard

1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584

 


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 
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