Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-15 Thread rjcasciato via CnC-List 
Hi Hank...I am still a happy owner of a 38MkII that came from the Custom 
Shop..you guys would love thus boat.originally built for a guy in 
Chicago specifically for the Mac races..absolutly no amenities.I 
finally installed shore power about 3 years ago...The dorade boxes and 4-5 
barients also wentprimaries replaced with Pontos 46 Grinders..what a 
difference.Those barients are available..by the way..This boat now 
looks like it came out of the mold yesterday..and the race record over the 
past 3 years is above average
The Custom Shop certainly did a great job on this one.Ron CImpromptuC 
38MKIIC, 1977


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 Original message From: henry evans via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/15/17  10:09 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Paul Fountain 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: henry evans <hjevans...@yahoo.com> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall 
Paul,You are correct.  Eric Bruckmann's plant was one of the original 4 
entities merged to create C Yachts.  Eric was a brilliant, old school master 
boatwright who was willing to try new technology, although sometimes 
grudgingly. He would grouse and grumble, but get it done.  He did almost all 
the prototype work and built all the custom boats.  He also built some of the 
wood plugs from which production tooling was made.  There simply wasn't 
anything in the boat building business at the time, that our custom plant could 
not do. With boats like "Red Jacket", the Canada's Cupper "Evergreen" and the 
MEGA with its bullet proof windows, what came out of that plant was cutting 
edge, state of the art technology. They were making reality out of the creative 
ideas coming from the industry's brightest design office of the time. 
I found excuses to stop by there quite often. I'd always visit with David Gee 
who was plant manager and Eric to see what was going on then wander around the 
plant asking questions and observing. There was always something new and 
different happening,  things to be seen and learned. For someone who loved 
boats, it was like a kid visiting a candy store.
Hank Evans

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If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but
 at a different location in Mississauga. 
   


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On Behalf Of Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Matthew L. Wolford <wolf...@erie.net>

Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall 


   



Question for Hank: 


  


    Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.” 




  



From:
henry evans via CnC-List
 


Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM 


To:
Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
 


Cc:
henry evans
 


Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on
 the 38 vs the 38 landfall 




  






Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2. 



  


If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI. 


  


Hank Evans 


  


  




On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: 


  


  




According to sailboat data online "

The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."

Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-15 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
Very cool.  Thanks.

From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:04 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Ken Heaton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

The current company website for Bruckmann Yachts: 
http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/ 

And a couple of pages with lots of photos of Red Jacket, the 40 footer form 
1966: http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/index.php/company/red-jacket/

Bruckmann Yachts
2265 Royal Windsor Dr.
Mississauga, Ontario

This is the west end of Mississauga, near Oakville.

Ken H.


On 15 August 2017 at 10:38, Paul Fountain via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

  If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville 
(actually Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at 
a different location in Mississauga.



  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
  Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Matthew L. Wolford <wolf...@erie.net>


  Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall


  Question for Hank:



  Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less 
a sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”



  From: henry evans via CnC-List 

  Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM

  To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 

  Cc: henry evans 

  Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall



  Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.



  If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.



  Hank Evans





  On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:





  According to sailboat data online "
  The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry







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  Cc: john wright <johnrogerswri...@gmail.com>
  Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
  Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

  Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
same mold?

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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-15 Thread Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
The current company website for Bruckmann Yachts:
http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/

And a couple of pages with lots of photos of Red Jacket, the 40 footer form
1966: http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/index.php/company/red-jacket/

Bruckmann Yachts
2265 Royal Windsor Dr.
Mississauga, Ontario

This is the west end of Mississauga, near Oakville.

Ken H.


On 15 August 2017 at 10:38, Paul Fountain via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville
> (actually Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today,
> but at a different location in Mississauga.
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew
> L. Wolford via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Matthew L. Wolford <wolf...@erie.net>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
>
>
>
> Question for Hank:
>
>
>
> Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or
> less a sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were
> built in the “custom shop.”
>
>
>
> *From:* henry evans via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM
>
> *To:* Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>
> *Cc:* henry evans <hjevans...@yahoo.com>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
>
>
>
> Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.
> The basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.
>
>
>
> If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at
> RI.
>
>
>
> Hank Evans
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> According to sailboat data online "
> The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a
> shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's
> Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: john wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: john wright <johnrogerswri...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
>
> Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from
> the same mold?
>
> Thanks
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>
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> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:
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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-15 Thread henry evans via CnC-List 
I could get in a car today and drive you to the building, but I can't remember 
the address or tell you how to get there.  Oldtimers disease.  

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{}#yiv9591989414 I previously heard it was in Oakville.  Sounds like the 
information was accurate.  I’ll have a look around the next time I’m in the 
area. Thanks. From: Paul Fountain via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 
9:38 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Paul Fountain Subject: Re: Stus-List 
Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall 
If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at a 
different location in Mississauga.
 
  

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Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford <wolf...@erie.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
 
  

Question for Hank:
 
 
 
    Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”
 
 
 
From: henry evans via CnC-List 
 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM
 
To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 
Cc: henry evans 
 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
 
 
 
Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.
 
 
 
If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.
 
 
 
Hank Evans
 
 
 
 
 
On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
-Original Message-
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To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: john wright <johnrogerswri...@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
same mold?

Thanks
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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall - Now C Custom

2017-08-15 Thread Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
Hank,

Eric’s son Mark is now running the business, and doing custom boats still, both 
power and sail  – usually Mark Ellis designs ( a C alumni). He also does 
custom work, I had him make the new teak hand rails for our C a couple of 
years ago, he does beautiful work. My sister has had him do a bunch of work on 
her C 30, Her table should be in a Better Homes and Gardens show house!

Good friends have a power boat built by him that is also beautiful.

The old building is still there, and may be vacant by now – the City now owns 
the property, and runs the docks along Bronte Creek.

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of henry evans 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:10 AM
To: Paul Fountain via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: henry evans <hjevans...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Paul,
You are correct.  Eric Bruckmann's plant was one of the original 4 entities 
merged to create C Yachts.  Eric was a brilliant, old school master 
boatwright who was willing to try new technology, although sometimes 
grudgingly. He would grouse and grumble, but get it done.  He did almost all 
the prototype work and built all the custom boats.  He also built some of the 
wood plugs from which production tooling was made.  There simply wasn't 
anything in the boat building business at the time, that our custom plant could 
not do. With boats like "Red Jacket", the Canada's Cupper "Evergreen" and the 
MEGA with its bullet proof windows, what came out of that plant was cutting 
edge, state of the art technology. They were making reality out of the creative 
ideas coming from the industry's brightest design office of the time.

I found excuses to stop by there quite often. I'd always visit with David Gee 
who was plant manager and Eric to see what was going on then wander around the 
plant asking questions and observing. There was always something new and 
different happening,  things to be seen and learned. For someone who loved 
boats, it was like a kid visiting a candy store.

Hank Evans


On Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 8:39:10 AM CDT, Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at a 
different location in Mississauga.



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford <wolf...@erie.net<mailto:wolf...@erie.net>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall



Question for Hank:



Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”



From: henry evans via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM

To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>

Cc: henry evans<mailto:hjevans...@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall



Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.



If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.



Hank Evans





On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:




According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry



-Original Message-
From: john wright via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: john wright <johnrogerswri...@gmail.com<mailto:johnrogerswri...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
same mold?

Thanks
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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-15 Thread henry evans via CnC-List 
Paul,You are correct.  Eric Bruckmann's plant was one of the original 4 
entities merged to create C Yachts.  Eric was a brilliant, old school master 
boatwright who was willing to try new technology, although sometimes 
grudgingly. He would grouse and grumble, but get it done.  He did almost all 
the prototype work and built all the custom boats.  He also built some of the 
wood plugs from which production tooling was made.  There simply wasn't 
anything in the boat building business at the time, that our custom plant could 
not do. With boats like "Red Jacket", the Canada's Cupper "Evergreen" and the 
MEGA with its bullet proof windows, what came out of that plant was cutting 
edge, state of the art technology. They were making reality out of the creative 
ideas coming from the industry's brightest design office of the time. 
I found excuses to stop by there quite often. I'd always visit with David Gee 
who was plant manager and Eric to see what was going on then wander around the 
plant asking questions and observing. There was always something new and 
different happening,  things to be seen and learned. For someone who loved 
boats, it was like a kid visiting a candy store.
Hank Evans

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If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at a 
different location in Mississauga.
 
  
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford <wolf...@erie.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
 
  
 
Question for Hank:
 
 
 
    Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”
 
 
 
From:henry evans via CnC-List
 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM
 
To:Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
 
Cc:henry evans
 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
 
 
 
Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.
 
 
 
If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.
 
 
 
Hank Evans
 
 
 
 
 
On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-15 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
I previously heard it was in Oakville.  Sounds like the information was 
accurate.  I’ll have a look around the next time I’m in the area.

Thanks.

From: Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Paul Fountain 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at a 
different location in Mississauga.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford <wolf...@erie.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

 

Question for Hank:

 

Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”

 

From: henry evans via CnC-List 

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM

To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 

Cc: henry evans 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

 

Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.

 

If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.

 

Hank Evans

 

 

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<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

 

 

According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-15 Thread Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
If memory serves me – The custom shop was at Bruckmann’s in Oakville (actually 
Bronte on the west side of Oakville), still in business today, but at a 
different location in Mississauga.

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Wolford via CnC-List
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Cc: Matthew L. Wolford <wolf...@erie.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Question for Hank:

Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”

From: henry evans via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM
To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: henry evans<mailto:hjevans...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.

If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.

Hank Evans


On Monday, August 14, 2017, 6:56:44 PM CDT, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry



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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-15 Thread Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
Wasn’t that in Oakville, by Missisauga?

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 15, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Question for Hank:
>  
> Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less 
> a sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built 
> in the “custom shop.”

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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-15 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
Question for Hank:

Where was the “custom shop”?  I have a “42 Custom,” which is more or less a 
sistership of the first Baltic 42, and I was told that only six were built in 
the “custom shop.”

From: henry evans via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 PM
To: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
Cc: henry evans 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.

If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.

Hank Evans


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<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry




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Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-14 Thread henry evans via CnC-List 
If you look back into the 70's and 80"s you will find lots of the major 
manufacturers taking all sorts of "liberties" with what they called their boats 
vs their actual length.  
Certainly one of the best examples of the games that were played was the C 29 
MK-1.  It was designed to be the new C 30.  However, in spite of our 
marketing efforts, the old 30 did not die and the market demanded we keep 
making it.  We couldn't have two 30's so the new boat became the 29.  At 29'8" 
loa with a 10'8" beam it was much more of a 30 footer than a 29.   When the all 
new 29 came along several years later it was really much closer to a 28 footer 
and in comparing the new and old, the new was really a 2' +  smaller boat.  But 
it was still called a 29. So you had a 28 called a 29 and a 30 called a 29. And 
neither of them was really a 29 :)   How's that for confusing the customer ??
Cheers,
Hank Evans

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Coincidentally, the loa for both is identical to the 37..!

Sent from my iPhone
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wrote:



This is the “HE”, I own the 38C. I don’t need 10 days. what it take him in his 
LF to sail in 10 day, I can do in 5, maybe 4!! just saying.
Ok maybe 6 days!!



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The transom on the LF is also more of a wine glass shape. This eliminated the 
storage for Propane. In the LF is a Propane locker under the helm seat. Another 
difference is a  teak toe rail on the LF 38. Now the Landfall 39 is totally 
different from the Landfall 38. Almost doesn't look like a C 


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cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jerome Tauber <jrtau...@aol.com> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall 
According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-14 Thread Richard via CnC-List 
Coincidentally, the loa for both is identical to the 37..!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2017, at 9:02 PM, john wright via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> This is the “HE”, I own the 38C. I don’t need 10 days. what it take him in 
> his LF to sail in 10 day, I can do in 5, maybe 4!! just saying.
> 
> Ok maybe 6 days!!
> 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2017, at 8:59 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The transom on the LF is also more of a wine glass shape. This eliminated 
>> the storage for Propane. In the LF is a Propane locker under the helm seat. 
>> Another difference is a  teak toe rail on the LF 38. 
>> Now the Landfall 39 is totally different from the Landfall 38. Almost 
>> doesn't look like a C 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>> Doug Mountjoy 
>> POYC 
>> Pegasus (for sale) 
>> Lf38 
>> Rebecca Leah LF39 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Date: 8/14/17 16:55 (GMT-08:00)
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Jerome Tauber <jrtau...@aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
>> 
>> According to sailboat data online "
>> The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
>> shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
>> Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: john wright <johnrogerswri...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
>> Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
>> 
>> Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from 
>> the same mold?
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2017-08-14 Thread john wright via CnC-List 
This is the “HE”, I own the 38C. I don’t need 10 days. what it take him in his 
LF to sail in 10 day, I can do in 5, maybe 4!! just saying.

Ok maybe 6 days!!


> On Aug 14, 2017, at 8:59 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The transom on the LF is also more of a wine glass shape. This eliminated the 
> storage for Propane. In the LF is a Propane locker under the helm seat. 
> Another difference is a  teak toe rail on the LF 38. 
> Now the Landfall 39 is totally different from the Landfall 38. Almost doesn't 
> look like a C 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
> POYC 
> Pegasus (for sale) 
> Lf38 
> Rebecca Leah LF39 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 8/14/17 16:55 (GMT-08:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Jerome Tauber <jrtau...@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
> 
> According to sailboat data online "
> The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
> shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
> Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall
> 
> Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-14 Thread svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
The transom on the LF is also more of a wine glass shape. This eliminated the 
storage for Propane. In the LF is a Propane locker under the helm seat. Another 
difference is a  teak toe rail on the LF 38. Now the Landfall 39 is totally 
different from the Landfall 38. Almost doesn't look like a C 


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cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jerome Tauber <jrtau...@aol.com> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall 
According to sailboat data online "

The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull 
design as the C 38-2 but with a  shallower keel, shorter rig and 
entirely different interior. Built at C's Rhode Island (USA) 
plant."   Jerry


 



 



 



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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-14 Thread henry evans via CnC-List 
Obviously, the stern of the LF-38 is different as is the rig and keel.  The 
basic hull shape is the same as the 38-2.
If memory serves, all the 38's were built at NOTL and all the Landfalls at RI.
Hank Evans

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According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a 
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry
 
 
 
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To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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Sent: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 7:52 pm
Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

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Re: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-14 Thread Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
According to sailboat data online "
The LANDFALL 38 shares the same hull design as the C 38-2 but with a  
shallower keel, shorter rig and entirely different interior. Built at C's 
Rhode Island (USA) plant."   Jerry

 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
same mold?

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Stus-List Design question on the 38 vs the 38 landfall

2017-08-14 Thread john wright via CnC-List 
Trying to resolve a friendly dispute. Are the 38 and the Landfall 38 from the 
same mold?

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