Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses
Being on an island, I can get marine fuel hose at the auto store no problem. I was worried someone was going to wander into Pep Boys and walk out with whatever cheap stuff they handed out when asked for fuel hose. * thread creep alert, that cheap auto fuel hose is likely way better than official marine hose for your dinghy! I had an issue where the inside lining of the dinghy fuel line dissolved into a big blob of goo ☹ Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 2:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses The blue Parker Hannifin fuel hose is Parker 221FR, which is the fire resistant hose meeting SAE j1942 required on commercial vessels. Parker also offers a black cover hose which is Parker 500, and that meets USCG A1 and A2 standards, SAE J1527, required for construction of recreational vessels. Again, fuel hose from a large, non-marine manufacturer that is available through most places that offer automotive or hydraulic hoses. (See my earlier posts) Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of coltrek via CnC-List Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 12:54 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: coltrek mailto:colt...@verizon.net>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses I have a roll of quarter inch fuel hose from Parker Hannifin, that says u.s. Coast Guard approved. It is blue . And Joe is right, it is very thick and heavy. You could use it as a backstay on a 50-footer. It has braided stainless steel spring wire in it, and it is a royal bitch to cut, even with a bandsaw. If my boat caught on fire, that would be the last thing left. Regards, Bill Coleman C&C 39 Original message From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Date: 11/9/17 11:38 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Non-marine hose may well work to keep fuel inside of itself, but auto hose in general isn’t even close to the fire resistance of marine hose. Airplane hoses have fire-sleeves over them and marine hose is about 3-4 times as thick as it needs to be so there is a lot of rubber to burn away before it would have a hole in it. Auto hose has neither. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 11:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Rick Brass mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Well, you should be using only SAE fuel hose. And the specs are the same regardless of the manufacturer. So use whatever is less expensive. You might even get a price on hose – probably Gates Rubber – from your local NAPA store. Since it’s not “Boat Hose” it’s probably significantly less than either WM or Defender. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: John and Maryann Read mailto:johnpr...@comcast.net>> Subject: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old. Exterior looks great but interior shows a number of corrosion issues. Had to remove fittings and saw off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed when I did that to getting a new tank. That said, the hidden corrosion on the interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a good idea. Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther’s in Bristol RI who by all accounts are the “go to” source for a tank made right in all respects. Not the least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say ☺ Question is replacing the hoses. West carries the Shields brand, Defender the Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price. Specifications are essentially identical. Any reason to not embrace the lower price?? John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses
The blue Parker Hannifin fuel hose is Parker 221FR, which is the fire resistant hose meeting SAE j1942 required on commercial vessels. Parker also offers a black cover hose which is Parker 500, and that meets USCG A1 and A2 standards, SAE J1527, required for construction of recreational vessels. Again, fuel hose from a large, non-marine manufacturer that is available through most places that offer automotive or hydraulic hoses. (See my earlier posts) Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of coltrek via CnC-List Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 12:54 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: coltrek Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses I have a roll of quarter inch fuel hose from Parker Hannifin, that says u.s. Coast Guard approved. It is blue . And Joe is right, it is very thick and heavy. You could use it as a backstay on a 50-footer. It has braided stainless steel spring wire in it, and it is a royal bitch to cut, even with a bandsaw. If my boat caught on fire, that would be the last thing left. Regards, Bill Coleman C&C 39 Original message From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 11/9/17 11:38 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Non-marine hose may well work to keep fuel inside of itself, but auto hose in general isn’t even close to the fire resistance of marine hose. Airplane hoses have fire-sleeves over them and marine hose is about 3-4 times as thick as it needs to be so there is a lot of rubber to burn away before it would have a hole in it. Auto hose has neither. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 11:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Rick Brass mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Well, you should be using only SAE fuel hose. And the specs are the same regardless of the manufacturer. So use whatever is less expensive. You might even get a price on hose – probably Gates Rubber – from your local NAPA store. Since it’s not “Boat Hose” it’s probably significantly less than either WM or Defender. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: John and Maryann Read mailto:johnpr...@comcast.net> > Subject: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old. Exterior looks great but interior shows a number of corrosion issues. Had to remove fittings and saw off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed when I did that to getting a new tank. That said, the hidden corrosion on the interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a good idea. Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther’s in Bristol RI who by all accounts are the “go to” source for a tank made right in all respects. Not the least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say :) Question is replacing the hoses. West carries the Shields brand, Defender the Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price. Specifications are essentially identical. Any reason to not embrace the lower price?? John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses
I have a roll of quarter inch fuel hose from Parker Hannifin, that says u.s. Coast Guard approved. It is blue . And Joe is right, it is very thick and heavy. You could use it as a backstay on a 50-footer. It has braided stainless steel spring wire in it, and it is a royal bitch to cut, even with a bandsaw. If my boat caught on fire, that would be the last thing left. Regards, Bill ColemanC&C 39 Original message From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" Date: 11/9/17 11:38 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Non-marine hose may well work to keep fuel inside of itself, but auto hose in general isn’t even close to the fire resistance of marine hose. Airplane hoses have fire-sleeves over them and marine hose is about 3-4 times as thick as it needs to be so there is a lot of rubber to burn away before it would have a hole in it. Auto hose has neither. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 11:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Well, you should be using only SAE fuel hose. And the specs are the same regardless of the manufacturer. So use whatever is less expensive. You might even get a price on hose – probably Gates Rubber – from your local NAPA store. Since it’s not “Boat Hose” it’s probably significantly less than either WM or Defender. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John and Maryann Read Subject: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old. Exterior looks great but interior shows a number of corrosion issues. Had to remove fittings and saw off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed when I did that to getting a new tank. That said, the hidden corrosion on the interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a good idea. Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther’s in Bristol RI who by all accounts are the “go to” source for a tank made right in all respects. Not the least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say J Question is replacing the hoses. West carries the Shields brand, Defender the Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price. Specifications are essentially identical. Any reason to not embrace the lower price?? John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses
I never suggested using automotive hose for a boat fuel system. Rather, I said there were other places to buy suitable hose, including an auto parts store. 46CFR Chapter I, Subchapter T, part 182.720E requires that flexible fuel hose used in construction of small passenger vessels meets the requirement of SAE J-1942. J-1942 is essentially SAE J30R2 hydraulic hose with a higher melting point. Gates C5M hose meets these requirements. Trident does not offer a hose in their catalog that does. USCG requirements for fuel hose used in small recreational vessels have USCG standards A1 and A2, both of which are met by SAE J-1527 (which is similar to ABYC H-33). Trident fuel hoses all meet J-1527. A number of automotive hose providers - including Goodyear - offer J-1527 hose. Remember SAE stands for Society of Automotive Engineers. Manufacturers who cater to automotive markets have higher production volumes and economies of scale (and maybe scope) vs. marine product manufacturers. And the auto parts market is a lot more competitive than the boat parts market. So pick your poison: J-1527 or the commercial J-1942 hose. And then check to see how inexpensively you can get the hose from multiple sources. BTW, Joe, fuel hose on aircraft just has to be "suitable" for the application, but the requirement for the fire sleeve is in 14CFR!,C,23,e. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe a CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:39 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Non-marine hose may well work to keep fuel inside of itself, but auto hose in general isn't even close to the fire resistance of marine hose. Airplane hoses have fire-sleeves over them and marine hose is about 3-4 times as thick as it needs to be so there is a lot of rubber to burn away before it would have a hole in it. Auto hose has neither. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 11:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Well, you should be using only SAE fuel hose. And the specs are the same regardless of the manufacturer. So use whatever is less expensive. You might even get a price on hose - probably Gates Rubber - from your local NAPA store. Since it's not "Boat Hose" it's probably significantly less than either WM or Defender. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: John and Maryann Read mailto:johnpr...@comcast.net> > Subject: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old. Exterior looks great but interior shows a number of corrosion issues. Had to remove fittings and saw off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed when I did that to getting a new tank. That said, the hidden corrosion on the interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a good idea. Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther's in Bristol RI who by all accounts are the "go to" source for a tank made right in all respects. Not the least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say :) Question is replacing the hoses. West carries the Shields brand, Defender the Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price. Specifications are essentially identical. Any reason to not embrace the lower price?? John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses
I have heard that if you have non marine rated hoses and have an insurance claim. That it can be denied. I just filed a claim for a car fire the fuel hose did not last long. FWIW. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (For sale)Lf38 Rebecca Leah LF39 Original message From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" Date: 11/9/17 08:38 (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Non-marine hose may well work to keep fuel inside of itself, but auto hose in general isn’t even close to the fire resistance of marine hose. Airplane hoses have fire-sleeves over them and marine hose is about 3-4 times as thick as it needs to be so there is a lot of rubber to burn away before it would have a hole in it. Auto hose has neither. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 11:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Well, you should be using only SAE fuel hose. And the specs are the same regardless of the manufacturer. So use whatever is less expensive. You might even get a price on hose – probably Gates Rubber – from your local NAPA store. Since it’s not “Boat Hose” it’s probably significantly less than either WM or Defender. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John and Maryann Read Subject: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old. Exterior looks great but interior shows a number of corrosion issues. Had to remove fittings and saw off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed when I did that to getting a new tank. That said, the hidden corrosion on the interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a good idea. Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther’s in Bristol RI who by all accounts are the “go to” source for a tank made right in all respects. Not the least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say J Question is replacing the hoses. West carries the Shields brand, Defender the Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price. Specifications are essentially identical. Any reason to not embrace the lower price?? John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses
Non-marine hose may well work to keep fuel inside of itself, but auto hose in general isn't even close to the fire resistance of marine hose. Airplane hoses have fire-sleeves over them and marine hose is about 3-4 times as thick as it needs to be so there is a lot of rubber to burn away before it would have a hole in it. Auto hose has neither. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 11:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Well, you should be using only SAE fuel hose. And the specs are the same regardless of the manufacturer. So use whatever is less expensive. You might even get a price on hose - probably Gates Rubber - from your local NAPA store. Since it's not "Boat Hose" it's probably significantly less than either WM or Defender. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: John and Maryann Read mailto:johnpr...@comcast.net>> Subject: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old. Exterior looks great but interior shows a number of corrosion issues. Had to remove fittings and saw off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed when I did that to getting a new tank. That said, the hidden corrosion on the interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a good idea. Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther's in Bristol RI who by all accounts are the "go to" source for a tank made right in all respects. Not the least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say :) Question is replacing the hoses. West carries the Shields brand, Defender the Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price. Specifications are essentially identical. Any reason to not embrace the lower price?? John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses
Well, you should be using only SAE fuel hose. And the specs are the same regardless of the manufacturer. So use whatever is less expensive. You might even get a price on hose - probably Gates Rubber - from your local NAPA store. Since it's not "Boat Hose" it's probably significantly less than either WM or Defender. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John and Maryann Read Subject: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old. Exterior looks great but interior shows a number of corrosion issues. Had to remove fittings and saw off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed when I did that to getting a new tank. That said, the hidden corrosion on the interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a good idea. Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther's in Bristol RI who by all accounts are the "go to" source for a tank made right in all respects. Not the least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say :) Question is replacing the hoses. West carries the Shields brand, Defender the Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price. Specifications are essentially identical. Any reason to not embrace the lower price?? John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Diesel tank hoses
Might check Jamestown Distributors. I generally trust their advice. Joel On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:23 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old. Exterior looks > great but interior shows a number of corrosion issues. Had to remove > fittings and saw off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so > was committed when I did that to getting a new tank. That said, the hidden > corrosion on the interior tells me an incident was in the making so > replacing now is a good idea. > > > > Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther’s in Bristol RI who by all > accounts are the “go to” source for a tank made right in all respects. Not > the least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say > J > > > > Question is replacing the hoses. West carries the Shields brand, Defender > the Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price. > Specifications are essentially identical. Any reason to not embrace the > lower price?? > > > > John and Maryann > > Legacy III > > 1982 C&C 34 > > Noank, CT > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Diesel tank hoses
Removed my OEM aluminum diesel tank now 35 years old. Exterior looks great but interior shows a number of corrosion issues. Had to remove fittings and saw off the inlet fitting to get the tank out of the locker so was committed when I did that to getting a new tank. That said, the hidden corrosion on the interior tells me an incident was in the making so replacing now is a good idea. Have replacement aluminum tank made by Luther's in Bristol RI who by all accounts are the "go to" source for a tank made right in all respects. Not the least expensive by any stretch but by far the best value or so they say J Question is replacing the hoses. West carries the Shields brand, Defender the Trident at a cost differential of some 20% less in price. Specifications are essentially identical. Any reason to not embrace the lower price?? John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
