Stus-List Genoa sheets

[Paul Florin via CnC-List]

On a 35ft C MK II with a 110% genoa, sheets inside or outside shrouds?

-- Paul Florin

Stus-List Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

What have people found to be the best way to keep the genoa sheet attachment 
from catching on the shrouds during a tack?  I use a dyneema soft shackle to 
attach the sheets to the clew, but that has not solved the problem over knots.  
Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

Re: Stus-List Genoa sheets for Landfall 38

[billbruce--- via CnC-List]

 
  
   Hi I use 65 ft 1/2" genoa sheets which seem to work well. I tried 5/8 one year but found them to heavy and went back to 1/2".
   
   Bill Bruce
   Landfall 38 
  
 


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Re: Stus-List Genoa sheets for Landfall 38

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Shawn,

While some sailors prefer to “luggage tag” a single sheet to the clew of their 
jib thus saving the excess bulk of a pair of bowlines that may hang up on a 
baby stay or other deck mounted obstructions, I’ve gone back to using two 
separate jib sheets on the 135% jib of our Landfall 35.  To secure the sheets 
to the sail, I’ve spliced a small eye on the end of the sheet and use a ¼”x3” 
spectra soft shackle at the clew attachment point.  This way I avoid the bulk 
of a large heavy knot that might whack somebody on the foredeck or hang up 
while tacking, but it makes it easy to remove a sheet that could be accidently 
overwrapped on the winch, something you can’t do when using a single sheet with 
a loop at the clew.

 

I’m encouraged by your desire to downsize your jib sheets.  Many sailors 
purchasing new sheets buy enormously oversized line because they feel it 
provides better “hand” and makes the rope easier to grip under load.  I could 
see that mindset if you were sailing an Etchells or some other mid size racer 
that doesn’t have winches, but how often does a C owner trim their jib using 
arm strength alone, requiring a significant grip on the line?  Most folks will 
simply wind the line onto the winch and pull (or grind) using the mechanical 
advantage of the winches.  Big heavy sheets can weigh down the clew and foot of 
the jib in light air conditions and are harder to get sufficient wraps around 
the winch if you really need to keep the rope from slipping in a hard blow.  
Just last week I had a friend ask me to source some ¾” line for genoa sheets on 
a 44’ Sloop (not a C).  That seems rather excessive in my mind and the size 
of the line certainly isn’t necessary from a load standpoint.  But in his mind, 
bigger was better and was willing to spend a whole lot of money to get a sheet 
that looked and felt massive.  I don’t even think the J-Class boats use jib 
sheets that big…

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Genoa sheets for Landfall 38

 

Regarding genoa/jib sheets: is it acceptable to use one double length sheet, 
marked in the middle, then looped through the clew? I will need to replace the 
sheets on our new 35 as they are too large, and the knots are also bulky as 
result. It seemed to me that a single sheet looped through would solve this. 
Are there any downsides to doing this?

 

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:16 PM Dreuge via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

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Re: Stus-List Genoa sheets for Landfall 38

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Just did 41lf of for my 37 perfect  spec  called for 60 ft ? I Did 12mm VPC  
nicer feel than the 1/2” well for me any who

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon

On Apr 22, 2019, at 6:25 PM, schiller via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Check the Cajun Ropes site.  If they have your model, they will have lengths.  
If you don't want to mess with lines, order from them.  I have been pleased 
with the set I bought last year.

Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC
Splash date: 5/3

On 4/22/2019 6:15 PM, Dreuge via CnC-List wrote:
Hi,

I’m looking to replace old genoa sheets, and I forgot to measure the lengths of 
current sheets.  I recall a rule of thumb being that sheets should be 1.25 - 
1.5 times the boat length.  Any LF38 owners recall the lengths of their sheets?



-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/




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Re: Stus-List Genoa sheets for Landfall 38

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Regarding genoa/jib sheets: is it acceptable to use one double length
sheet, marked in the middle, then looped through the clew? I will need to
replace the sheets on our new 35 as they are too large, and the knots are
also bulky as result. It seemed to me that a single sheet looped through
would solve this. Are there any downsides to doing this?

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:16 PM Dreuge via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I’m looking to replace old genoa sheets, and I forgot to measure the
> lengths of current sheets.  I recall a rule of thumb being that sheets
> should be 1.25 - 1.5 times the boat length.  Any LF38 owners recall the
> lengths of their sheets?
>
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
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Re: Stus-List Genoa sheets for Landfall 38

[schiller via CnC-List]

Check the Cajun Ropes site.  If they have your model, they will have 
lengths.  If you don't want to mess with lines, order from them.  I have 
been pleased with the set I bought last year.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC
Splash date: 5/3

On 4/22/2019 6:15 PM, Dreuge via CnC-List wrote:

Hi,

I’m looking to replace old genoa sheets, and I forgot to measure the 
lengths of current sheets.  I recall a rule of thumb being that sheets 
should be 1.25 - 1.5 times the boat length.  Any LF38 owners recall 
the lengths of their sheets?




-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


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Stus-List Genoa sheets for Landfall 38

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Hi,

I’m looking to replace old genoa sheets, and I forgot to measure the lengths of 
current sheets.  I recall a rule of thumb being that sheets should be 1.25 - 
1.5 times the boat length.  Any LF38 owners recall the lengths of their sheets?



-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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Re: Stus-List Genoa Sheets

[Rick Brass]

Tom;

I don't know what your prevailing wind and sea conditions are in Washington,
but even 9/16ths seems to be a bit much to me.

The original sheets in Imzadi were 5/8ths or 3/4 Yacht Braid - the OEM
sheets apparently. The contemporary equivalent is NER Regatta Braid or
Samson Trophy, though I would expect either of those to be a lot stronger
than 80s vintage Yacht Braid. I replaced my big sheets with 1/2 Cajun Rope
XLE. The XLE is between Sta Set and Sta Set X for strength, and has a nice
fuzzy hand for good grip and ease on the hands. It is also a lot less
expensive than Sta Set.

And actually, I now use those 1/2 sheets when the wind pipes up above about
20 true and I should be using a #2 or #3 headsail. I got a deal on some
7/16ths Sta Set X (or maybe it is the Samson equivalent) that is almost as
strong as the 1/2 and that is what I use for sheets at least 90% of the
time in the wind conditions I see around here.

I've actually been thinking about getting a set of VPC or Yale PDF Racer
sheets in 7/16ths that I can use all the time. VPC has a Vectran blend core
for strength, and PHD Cruiser and Racer us Dyneema in the blend. They are
lighter and stronger than Dacron double braids, and in 7/16ths diameter the
Yale line is under $2 per foot.


Rick Brass
Washington, NC


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom B
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 9:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Genoa Sheets

Thanks Bill...I checked today and Alera is carrying 3/4 sheets.  They do
work in the Barient 32's but not very good.   I am wondering if anyone has
had luck with 9/16th's or if I should just go with 5/8..

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
CC 1990 37+/40
Vashon Wa

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 Message: 1
 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:44:54 -0400
 From: Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Genoa Sheets
 Message-ID: 041901ce870b$8f235310$ad69f930$@net
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 Coltrek came with fat sheets, and I have always replaced them with the 
 same
 - I think 5/8, as I don't think 3/4 would fit in #32 self tailer.
 Wire always seems thinner than it is, and rope always seems thicker 
 that it appears, for some reason.
 
 Just looked it up, 5/8 Sta-Set Dbl Braid, NER2100.20Been working fine
 for 10 years. Got them from Oyster Bay, they always pre-stretch all 
 their work.
 Before that I had a local fellow make some up, also 5/8 but very soft 
 and stretchy - I took his recommendation, but discovered later he was 
 just trying to get rid of it. Both splices eventually came out, one 
 when I was just rolling the sail up.
 Last purchase from him! 
 
 Bill Coleman
 CC 39

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Re: Stus-List Genoa Sheets

[Bill Coleman]

5/8 is perfect. They will be a little slippery for the first year, then get
better.

Bill Coleman
CC 39 


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Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 9:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Genoa Sheets

Thanks Bill...I checked today and Alera is carrying 3/4 sheets.  They do
work in the Barient 32's but not very good.   I am wondering if anyone has
had luck with 9/16th's or if I should just go with 5/8..

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
CC 1990 37+/40
Vashon Wa

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 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:44:54 -0400
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 Coltrek came with fat sheets, and I have always replaced them with the
same
 - I think 5/8, as I don't think 3/4 would fit in #32 self tailer.
 Wire always seems thinner than it is, and rope always seems thicker that
it
 appears, for some reason.
 
 Just looked it up, 5/8 Sta-Set Dbl Braid, NER2100.20Been working fine
 for 10 years. Got them from Oyster Bay, they always pre-stretch all their
 work.
 Before that I had a local fellow make some up, also 5/8 but very soft and
 stretchy - I took his recommendation, but discovered later he was just
 trying to get rid of it. Both splices eventually came out, one when I was
 just rolling the sail up.  
 Last purchase from him! 
 
 Bill Coleman
 CC 39 

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Stus-List Genoa Sheets

[Tom B]

Our genoa sheets are left over from the PO.  I'm not sure of the size, but they 
are bigger than 1/2, super fat and great on the hands. But they do not run 
through the blocks well and act like they are caught just from their weight and 
softness.

 I have Barient 32s.  I am all for comfortable sheets, but really want ones 
that also work.

Any recommendations?

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
CC 1990 37+/40
Vashon WA
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Re: Stus-List Genoa Sheets

[Joel Aronson]

Tom,

Check out the APS recommendations:
http://www.apsltd.com/c-9563-line-by-use.aspx
  I would think 1/2 inch or 9/16 would work.  Be sure to try a piece in
your self-tailer before buying  an expensive piece of line.

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis.


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 Our genoa sheets are left over from the PO.  I'm not sure of the size, but
 they are bigger than 1/2, super fat and great on the hands. But they do not
 run through the blocks well and act like they are caught just from their
 weight and softness.

  I have Barient 32s.  I am all for comfortable sheets, but really want
 ones that also work.

 Any recommendations?

 Tom Buscaglia
 S/V Alera
 CC 1990 37+/40
 Vashon WA
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Re: Stus-List Genoa Sheets

[Bill Coleman]

Coltrek came with fat sheets, and I have always replaced them with the same
- I think 5/8, as I don't think 3/4 would fit in #32 self tailer.
Wire always seems thinner than it is, and rope always seems thicker that it
appears, for some reason.

Just looked it up, 5/8 Sta-Set Dbl Braid, NER2100.20Been working fine
for 10 years. Got them from Oyster Bay, they always pre-stretch all their
work.
Before that I had a local fellow make some up, also 5/8 but very soft and
stretchy - I took his recommendation, but discovered later he was just
trying to get rid of it. Both splices eventually came out, one when I was
just rolling the sail up.  
Last purchase from him! 

Bill Coleman
CC 39 


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom B
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Genoa Sheets

Our genoa sheets are left over from the PO.  I'm not sure of the size, but
they are bigger than 1/2, super fat and great on the hands. But they do not
run through the blocks well and act like they are caught just from their
weight and softness.

 I have Barient 32s.  I am all for comfortable sheets, but really want ones
that also work.

Any recommendations?

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
CC 1990 37+/40
Vashon WA
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Stus-List Genoa Sheets

[Tom B]

Thanks Bill...I checked today and Alera is carrying 3/4 sheets.  They do work 
in the Barient 32's but not very good.   I am wondering if anyone has had luck 
with 9/16th's or if I should just go with 5/8..

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
CC 1990 37+/40
Vashon Wa

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 Message: 1
 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:44:54 -0400
 From: Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Genoa Sheets
 Message-ID: 041901ce870b$8f235310$ad69f930$@net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
 
 Coltrek came with fat sheets, and I have always replaced them with the same
 - I think 5/8, as I don't think 3/4 would fit in #32 self tailer.
 Wire always seems thinner than it is, and rope always seems thicker that it
 appears, for some reason.
 
 Just looked it up, 5/8 Sta-Set Dbl Braid, NER2100.20Been working fine
 for 10 years. Got them from Oyster Bay, they always pre-stretch all their
 work.
 Before that I had a local fellow make some up, also 5/8 but very soft and
 stretchy - I took his recommendation, but discovered later he was just
 trying to get rid of it. Both splices eventually came out, one when I was
 just rolling the sail up.  
 Last purchase from him! 
 
 Bill Coleman
 CC 39 

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