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Hi Rick, I think Wally or one of the other geeks covered this off last winter... it has something to do with an earth standard of interplanetary vehicle designation, yada yada. http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/st/interviews/jefferies/page6.shtml (Note the cult part of the BBC site, cute) Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 07:28 PM 08/08/2013, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_026A_01CE9486.9CBACF20" Content-Language: en-us Edd; Shouldnt that be FSS for Federation Starship? Somehow USS Enterprise sounds so star date 11300. And now that I think about it, just what does the NCC in NCC-1701 stand for anyway? Live Long and Prosper, Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL The USS Enterprise was built with titanium . <http://mirzmaster.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/star_trek_2009-enterprise_construction1.png>http://mirzmaster.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/star_trek_2009-enterprise_construction1.png All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:16 PM, <mailto:cenel...@aol.com>cenel...@aol.com wrote: The USS Constitution was built with pine and oak, including "live oak". Her 21 inch thick wooden hull helped her defeat 5 British ships in the War of 1812! The name Constitution was selected by President <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington>George Washington.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#cite_note-15>[14] Her keel was laid down on 1 November 1794 at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Hartt>Edmund Hartt's shipyard in Boston, Massachusetts, under the supervision of Captain <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Nicholson>Samuel Nicholson and naval constructor Colonel <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Claghorn>George Claghorn.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#cite_note-nvr-16>[15]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#cite_note-Hollis48-17>[16] Primary materials used in her construction consisted of pine and oak, including <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercus_virginiana>southern live oak, which was cut and milled near <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Simons,_Georgia>St. Simons, Georgia.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#cite_note-Hollis48-17>[16] Constitution's hull was built 21 inches (530 mm) thick and her <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_between_perpendiculars>length between perpendiculars was 175 ft (53 m), with a 204 ft (62 m) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_overall>length overall and a width of 43 ft 6 in (13.26 m).<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#cite_note-USNFF-2>[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#cite_note-Hollis39-4>[4] In total, 60 acres (24 ha) of trees were needed for her construction. Presumably a mast step could be constructed with considerably less than 60 acres of trees! Charlie Nelson Water Phantom North Carolina <mailto:cenel...@aol.com>cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Knowles Rich <<mailto:r...@sailpower.ca>r...@sailpower.ca> To: cnc-list <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:51 am Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL "Live oak". Do you have to plant it in the bilge and wait? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-08-07, at 12:36, <mailto:cenel...@aol.com>cenel...@aol.com wrote: If you really want to use wood, and can find it, live oak is probably the best wood for strength. It was highly sought after for knees, etc. of the wooden sailing ships of the 1700-1800s. Live oak was widely used in early American <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butt_(sailing)>butt shipbuilding. Because of the trees' short height and low-hanging branches, lumber from live oak was specifically used to make curved structural members of the hull, such as knee braces (single-piece, inverted L-shaped braces that spring inward from the side and support a ship's deck). In such cuts of lumber, the line of the grain would fall perpendicularly to lines of stress, creating structures of exceptional strength. Live oaks were not generally used for planking because the curved and often convoluted shape of the tree did not lend itself to be milled to planking of any length. Red oak or white oak was generally used for planking on vessels, as those trees tended to grow straight and tall and thus would yield straight trunk sections of le
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No, Bill, Unobtainium is reserved exclusively for use in ½ oz racing spinnakers. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL Pretty pricy. I suppose nowadays it would be built with Unobtainium Bill Coleman C&C 39 animated_favicon1 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL The USS Enterprise was built with titanium . <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Edd; Shouldn't that be FSS for Federation Starship? Somehow "USS Enterprise" sounds so star date 11300. And now that I think about it, just what does the NCC in NCC-1701 stand for anyway? Live Long and Prosper, Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL The USS Enterprise was built with titanium.. http://mirzmaster.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/star_trek_2009-enterprise_cons truction1.png All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:16 PM, cenel...@aol.com wrote: The USS Constitution was built with pine and oak, including "live oak". Her 21 inch thick wooden hull helped her defeat 5 British ships in the War of 1812! The name Constitution was selected by President George Washington <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington> .[14] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#cite_note-15> Her keel was laid down on 1 November 1794 at Edmund Hartt's <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Hartt> shipyard in Boston, Massachusetts, under the supervision of Captain Samuel Nicholson <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Nicholson> and naval constructor Colonel George Claghorn <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Claghorn> .[15] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#cite_note-nvr-16> [16] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#cite_note-Hollis48-17> Primary materials used in her construction consisted of pine and oak, including southern live oak <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercus_virginiana> , which was cut and milled near St. Simons <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Simons,_Georgia> , Georgia.[16] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#cite_note-Hollis48-17> Constitution's hull was built 21 inches (530 mm) thick and her length between perpendiculars <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_between_perpendiculars> was 175 ft (53 m), with a 204 ft (62 m) length overall <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_overall> and a width of 43 ft 6 in (13.26 m).[2] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#cite_note-USNFF-2> [4] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#cite_note-Hollis39-4> In total, 60 acres (24 ha) of trees were needed for her construction. Presumably a mast step could be constructed with considerably less than 60 acres of trees! Charlie Nelson Water Phantom North Carolina cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Knowles Rich To: cnc-list Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:51 am Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL "Live oak". Do you have to plant it in the bilge and wait? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-08-07, at 12:36, cenel...@aol.com wrote: If you really want to use wood, and can find it, live oak is probably the best wood for strength. It was highly sought after for knees, etc. of the wooden sailing ships of the 1700-1800s. Live oak was widely used in early American <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butt_(sailing)> butt shipbuilding. Because of the trees' short height and low-hanging branches, lumber from live oak was specifically used to make curved structural members of the hull, such as knee braces (single-piece, inverted L-shaped braces that spring inward from the side and support a ship's deck). In such cuts of lumber, the line of the grain would fall perpendicularly to lines of stress, creating structures of exceptional strength. Live oaks were not generally used for planking because the curved and often convoluted shape of the tree did not lend itself to be milled to planking of any length. Red oak or white oak was generally used for planking on vessels, as those trees tended to grow straight and tall and thus would yield straight trunk sections of length suitable for milling into plank lengths. Live oak was largely logged out in Europe by the latter half of the 19th century, and was similarly sought after and exported from the United States until iron- and steel-hulled commercial vessel construction became the standard early in the 20th century. Live oak lumber is rarely used for furniture due to warping and twisting while drying. It continues to be used occasionally when available in shipbuilding, as well as for tool handles for its strength, energy absorption, and density, but modern composites are often substituted with good effect. Dry southern live oak lumber has a <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_gravity> specific gravity of 0.88, among the
Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL
Good one.RonWild CheriSTLFrom: Bill Coleman To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL Pretty pricy. I suppose nowadays it would be built with ‘Unobtainium’ Bill Coleman C&C 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL The USS Enterprise was built with titanium…. http://mirzmaster.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/star_trek_2009-enterprise_construction1.png All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:16 PM, cenel...@aol.com wrote: The USS Constitution was built with pine and oak, including "live oak". Her 21 inch thick wooden hull helped her defeat 5 British ships in the War of 1812! ___This List is provided by the C&C Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comCnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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somehow the scales do not agree, or they have many tiny windows on it ;-) It is MUCH larger in real life, that must be a 1/16 scale model... Leslie. ;-) From: Edd Schillay To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL The USS Enterprise was built with titanium…. http://mirzmaster.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/star_trek_2009-enterprise_construction1.png All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:16 PM, cenel...@aol.com wrote: The USS Constitution was built with pine and oak, including "live oak". Her 21 inch thick wooden hull helped her defeat 5 British ships in the War of 1812! > > >The name Constitution was selected by President George Washington.[14] Her >keel was laid down on 1 November 1794 at Edmund Hartt's shipyard in Boston, >Massachusetts, under the supervision of Captain Samuel Nicholson and naval >constructor Colonel George Claghorn.[15][16] Primary materials used in her >construction consisted of pine and oak, including southern live oak, which was >cut and milled near St. Simons, Georgia.[16] Constitution's hull was built 21 >inches (530 mm) thick and her length between perpendiculars was 175 ft (53 m), >with a 204 ft (62 m) length overall and a width of 43 ft 6 in (13.26 m).[2][4] >In total, 60 acres (24 ha) of trees were needed for her construction. > >Presumably a mast step could be constructed with considerably less than 60 >acres of trees! > >Charlie Nelson >Water Phantom >North Carolina > > >cenel...@aol.com > > > >-Original Message- >From: Knowles Rich >To: cnc-list >Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:51 am >Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL > > >"Live oak". Do you have to plant it in the bilge and wait? > > >Rich Knowles >Indigo. LF38 >Halifax > >On 2013-08-07, at 12:36, cenel...@aol.com wrote: > > >If you really want to use wood, and can find it, live oak is probably the best >wood for strength. It was highly sought after for knees, etc. of the wooden >sailing ships of the 1700-1800s. > > Live oak was widely used in early American butt shipbuilding. Because of the >trees' short height and low-hanging branches, lumber from live oak was >specifically used to make curved structural members of the hull, such as knee >braces (single-piece, inverted L-shaped braces that spring inward from the >side and support a ship's deck). In such cuts of lumber, the line of the grain >would fall perpendicularly to lines of stress, creating structures of >exceptional strength. Live oaks were not generally used for planking because >the curved and often convoluted shape of the tree did not lend itself to be >milled to planking of any length. Red oak or white oak was generally used for >planking on vessels, as those trees tended to grow straight and tall and thus >would yield straight trunk sections of length suitable for milling into plank >lengths. >Live oak was largely logged out in Europe by the latter half of the 19th >century, and was similarly sought after and exported from the United States >until iron- and steel-hulled commercial vessel construction became the >standard early in the 20th century. Live oak lumber is rarely used for >furniture due to warping and twisting while drying. >It continues to be used occasionally when available in shipbuilding, as well >as for tool handles for its strength, energy absorption, and density, but >modern composites are often substituted with good effect. Dry southern live >oak lumber has a specific gravity of 0.88, among the highest of North American >hardwoods > > >Charlie Nelson >Water Phantom >C&C 36 XL/kcb > > >cenel...@aol.com > > > > >-Original Message- >From: Alex Giannelia >To: cnc-list >Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:15 am >Subject: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL > > >___ >This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ >This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >CnC-List@cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Black locust lumber is very rot resistant and is very hard as well. It is a little hard to find. It is about the same price as white oak. Locust isn't a straight growing tree so it is hard to get long straight boards like w. oak. But for short pieces it would work well. Most locust goes into fence posts because of it's rot resistance. Good luck. Bill Sterling- Taffy Girl Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Bill Coleman" wrote: > Pretty pricy. > > I suppose nowadays it would be built with ‘Unobtainium’ > > Bill Coleman > C&C 39 > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd > Schillay > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:25 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL > > The USS Enterprise was built with titanium…. > > http://mirzmaster.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/star_trek_2009-enterprise_construction1.png > > > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:16 PM, cenel...@aol.com wrote: > > > The USS Constitution was built with pine and oak, including "live oak". Her > 21 inch thick wooden hull helped her defeat 5 British ships in the War of > 1812! > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Pretty pricy. I suppose nowadays it would be built with 'Unobtainium' Bill Coleman C&C 39 animated_favicon1 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL The USS Enterprise was built with titanium.. http://mirzmaster.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/star_trek_2009-enterprise_cons truction1.png All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> Website On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:16 PM, cenel...@aol.com wrote: The USS Constitution was built with pine and oak, including "live oak". Her 21 inch thick wooden hull helped her defeat 5 British ships in the War of 1812! <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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The USS Enterprise was built with titanium…. http://mirzmaster.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/star_trek_2009-enterprise_construction1.png All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:16 PM, cenel...@aol.com wrote: > The USS Constitution was built with pine and oak, including "live oak". Her > 21 inch thick wooden hull helped her defeat 5 British ships in the War of > 1812! > > > The name Constitution was selected by President George Washington.[14] Her > keel was laid down on 1 November 1794 at Edmund Hartt's shipyard in Boston, > Massachusetts, under the supervision of Captain Samuel Nicholson and naval > constructor Colonel George Claghorn.[15][16] Primary materials used in her > construction consisted of pine and oak, including southern live oak, which > was cut and milled near St. Simons, Georgia.[16] Constitution's hull was > built 21 inches (530 mm) thick and her length between perpendiculars was 175 > ft (53 m), with a 204 ft (62 m) length overall and a width of 43 ft 6 in > (13.26 m).[2][4] In total, 60 acres (24 ha) of trees were needed for her > construction. > > Presumably a mast step could be constructed with considerably less than 60 > acres of trees! > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom > North Carolina > > > cenel...@aol.com > > > -Original Message----- > From: Knowles Rich > To: cnc-list > Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:51 am > Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL > > "Live oak". Do you have to plant it in the bilge and wait? > > Rich Knowles > Indigo. LF38 > Halifax > > On 2013-08-07, at 12:36, cenel...@aol.com wrote: > > If you really want to use wood, and can find it, live oak is probably the > best wood for strength. It was highly sought after for knees, etc. of the > wooden sailing ships of the 1700-1800s. > > > Live oak was widely used in early American butt shipbuilding. Because of the > trees' short height and low-hanging branches, lumber from live oak was > specifically used to make curved structural members of the hull, such as knee > braces (single-piece, inverted L-shaped braces that spring inward from the > side and support a ship's deck). In such cuts of lumber, the line of the > grain would fall perpendicularly to lines of stress, creating structures of > exceptional strength. Live oaks were not generally used for planking because > the curved and often convoluted shape of the tree did not lend itself to be > milled to planking of any length. Red oak or white oak was generally used for > planking on vessels, as those trees tended to grow straight and tall and thus > would yield straight trunk sections of length suitable for milling into plank > lengths. > Live oak was largely logged out in Europe by the latter half of the 19th > century, and was similarly sought after and exported from the United States > until iron- and steel-hulled commercial vessel construction became the > standard early in the 20th century. Live oak lumber is rarely used for > furniture due to warping and twisting while drying. > It continues to be used occasionally when available in shipbuilding, as well > as for tool handles for its strength, energy absorption, and density, but > modern composites are often substituted with good effect. Dry southern live > oak lumber has a specific gravity of 0.88, among the highest of North > American hardwoods > > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom > C&C 36 XL/kcb > > cenel...@aol.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Alex Giannelia > To: cnc-list > Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:15 am > Subject: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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The USS Constitution was built with pine and oak, including "live oak". Her 21 inch thick wooden hull helped her defeat 5 British ships in the War of 1812! The name Constitution was selected by President George Washington.[14] Her keel was laid down on 1 November 1794 at Edmund Hartt's shipyard in Boston, Massachusetts, under the supervision of Captain Samuel Nicholson and naval constructor Colonel George Claghorn.[15][16] Primary materials used in her construction consisted of pine and oak, including southern live oak, which was cut and milled near St. Simons, Georgia.[16] Constitution's hull was built 21 inches (530 mm) thick and her length between perpendiculars was 175 ft (53 m), with a 204 ft (62 m) length overall and a width of 43 ft 6 in (13.26 m).[2][4] In total, 60 acres (24 ha) of trees were needed for her construction. Presumably a mast step could be constructed with considerably less than 60 acres of trees! Charlie Nelson Water Phantom North Carolina cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Knowles Rich To: cnc-list Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:51 am Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL "Live oak". Do you have to plant it in the bilge and wait? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-08-07, at 12:36, cenel...@aol.com wrote: If you really want to use wood, and can find it, live oak is probably the best wood for strength. It was highly sought after for knees, etc. of the wooden sailing ships of the 1700-1800s. Live oak was widely used in early American butt shipbuilding. Because of the trees' short height and low-hanging branches, lumber from live oak was specifically used to make curved structural members of the hull, such as knee braces (single-piece, inverted L-shaped braces that spring inward from the side and support a ship's deck). In such cuts of lumber, the line of the grain would fall perpendicularly to lines of stress, creating structures of exceptional strength. Live oaks were not generally used for planking because the curved and often convoluted shape of the tree did not lend itself to be milled to planking of any length. Red oak or white oak was generally used for planking on vessels, as those trees tended to grow straight and tall and thus would yield straight trunk sections of length suitable for milling into plank lengths. Live oak was largely logged out in Europe by the latter half of the 19th century, and was similarly sought after and exported from the United States until iron- and steel-hulled commercial vessel construction became the standard early in the 20th century. Live oak lumber is rarely used for furniture due to warping and twisting while drying. It continues to be used occasionally when available in shipbuilding, as well as for tool handles for its strength, energy absorption, and density, but modern composites are often substituted with good effect. Dry southern live oak lumber has a specific gravity of 0.88, among the highest of North American hardwoods Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Alex Giannelia To: cnc-list Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:15 am Subject: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL White Oak is highly rot resistant, not like teak, but similar to mahogany. Red ak gets fungus in it and goes pretty quickly if soaked and should be avoided on oat parts unless somewhere unlikely to get wet. My .02 Cdn worth. ALEX GIANNELIA CC 35-II (1974) WILL BE RENAMED N THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006 oronto Ontario -Original Message- rom: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of nc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com ent: August 7, 2013 9:38 AM o: cnc-list@cnc-list.com ubject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 91, Issue 19 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com r, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific han "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." oday's Topics: 1. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Ed Dooley) 2. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Sylvain Laplante) 3. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Sylvain Laplante) 4. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Colin Kilgour) 5. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Paul Baker) 6. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Steve Thomas) 7. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Della Barba, Joe) 8. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Stevan Plavsa) 9. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Joel Aronson) __ his List is provided by the C&C Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List
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"Live oak". Do you have to plant it in the bilge and wait? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-08-07, at 12:36, cenel...@aol.com wrote: If you really want to use wood, and can find it, live oak is probably the best wood for strength. It was highly sought after for knees, etc. of the wooden sailing ships of the 1700-1800s. Live oak was widely used in early American butt shipbuilding. Because of the trees' short height and low-hanging branches, lumber from live oak was specifically used to make curved structural members of the hull, such as knee braces (single-piece, inverted L-shaped braces that spring inward from the side and support a ship's deck). In such cuts of lumber, the line of the grain would fall perpendicularly to lines of stress, creating structures of exceptional strength. Live oaks were not generally used for planking because the curved and often convoluted shape of the tree did not lend itself to be milled to planking of any length. Red oak or white oak was generally used for planking on vessels, as those trees tended to grow straight and tall and thus would yield straight trunk sections of length suitable for milling into plank lengths. Live oak was largely logged out in Europe by the latter half of the 19th century, and was similarly sought after and exported from the United States until iron- and steel-hulled commercial vessel construction became the standard early in the 20th century. Live oak lumber is rarely used for furniture due to warping and twisting while drying. It continues to be used occasionally when available in shipbuilding, as well as for tool handles for its strength, energy absorption, and density, but modern composites are often substituted with good effect. Dry southern live oak lumber has a specific gravity of 0.88, among the highest of North American hardwoods Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Alex Giannelia To: cnc-list Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:15 am Subject: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL White Oak is highly rot resistant, not like teak, but similar to mahogany. Red Oak gets fungus in it and goes pretty quickly if soaked and should be avoided on boat parts unless somewhere unlikely to get wet. My .02 Cdn worth. ALEX GIANNELIA CC 35-II (1974) WILL BE RENAMED ON THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006 Toronto Ontario -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: August 7, 2013 9:38 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 91, Issue 19 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Ed Dooley) 2. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Sylvain Laplante) 3. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Sylvain Laplante) 4. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Colin Kilgour) 5. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Paul Baker) 6. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Steve Thomas) 7. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Della Barba, Joe) 8. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Stevan Plavsa) 9. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Joel Aronson) ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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"Live oak". Do you have to plant it in the bilge and wait? :) Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-08-07, at 12:36, cenel...@aol.com wrote: If you really want to use wood, and can find it, live oak is probably the best wood for strength. It was highly sought after for knees, etc. of the wooden sailing ships of the 1700-1800s. Live oak was widely used in early American butt shipbuilding. Because of the trees' short height and low-hanging branches, lumber from live oak was specifically used to make curved structural members of the hull, such as knee braces (single-piece, inverted L-shaped braces that spring inward from the side and support a ship's deck). In such cuts of lumber, the line of the grain would fall perpendicularly to lines of stress, creating structures of exceptional strength. Live oaks were not generally used for planking because the curved and often convoluted shape of the tree did not lend itself to be milled to planking of any length. Red oak or white oak was generally used for planking on vessels, as those trees tended to grow straight and tall and thus would yield straight trunk sections of length suitable for milling into plank lengths. Live oak was largely logged out in Europe by the latter half of the 19th century, and was similarly sought after and exported from the United States until iron- and steel-hulled commercial vessel construction became the standard early in the 20th century. Live oak lumber is rarely used for furniture due to warping and twisting while drying. It continues to be used occasionally when available in shipbuilding, as well as for tool handles for its strength, energy absorption, and density, but modern composites are often substituted with good effect. Dry southern live oak lumber has a specific gravity of 0.88, among the highest of North American hardwoods Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Alex Giannelia To: cnc-list Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:15 am Subject: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL White Oak is highly rot resistant, not like teak, but similar to mahogany. Red Oak gets fungus in it and goes pretty quickly if soaked and should be avoided on boat parts unless somewhere unlikely to get wet. My .02 Cdn worth. ALEX GIANNELIA CC 35-II (1974) WILL BE RENAMED ON THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006 Toronto Ontario -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: August 7, 2013 9:38 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 91, Issue 19 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Ed Dooley) 2. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Sylvain Laplante) 3. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Sylvain Laplante) 4. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Colin Kilgour) 5. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Paul Baker) 6. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Steve Thomas) 7. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Della Barba, Joe) 8. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Stevan Plavsa) 9. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Joel Aronson) ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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In 2006, I had my C&C 30 M1 mast step rebuilt by Donnie Brennan of Mobile AL. Donnie has been the boatwright for the past two US Olympic teams. He used solid fiberglass stringers which were then glassed into the bilge. The cavities between were filled with epoxy/silica. A section of PVC pipe was used to provide access to the forward keel bolt. The stringers were capped with a piece of teak upon which the metal mast step was bolted. The fiberglass stingers eliminate the question of what type of wood is best suited to go into a bilge. Further, a much superior bond with the hull can be achieved when compared to having some form of aluminum support fabricated. Ed C&C 30 Mk 1 Dream Girl (for sale) C&C 34 Briar Patch New Orleans From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cenel...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:37 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL If you really want to use wood, and can find it, live oak is probably the best wood for strength. It was highly sought after for knees, etc. of the wooden sailing ships of the 1700-1800s. Live oak was widely used in early American butt shipbuilding<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butt_(sailing)>. Because of the trees' short height and low-hanging branches, lumber from live oak was specifically used to make curved structural members of the hull, such as knee braces (single-piece, inverted L-shaped braces that spring inward from the side and support a ship's deck). In such cuts of lumber, the line of the grain would fall perpendicularly to lines of stress, creating structures of exceptional strength. Live oaks were not generally used for planking because the curved and often convoluted shape of the tree did not lend itself to be milled to planking of any length. Red oak or white oak was generally used for planking on vessels, as those trees tended to grow straight and tall and thus would yield straight trunk sections of length suitable for milling into plank lengths. Live oak was largely logged out in Europe by the latter half of the 19th century, and was similarly sought after and exported from the United States until iron- and steel-hulled commercial vessel construction became the standard early in the 20th century. Live oak lumber is rarely used for furniture due to warping and twisting while drying. It continues to be used occasionally when available in shipbuilding, as well as for tool handles for its strength, energy absorption, and density, but modern composites are often substituted with good effect. Dry southern live oak lumber has a specific gravity<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_gravity> of 0.88, among the highest of North American hardwoods Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com<mailto:cenel...@aol.com> -Original Message- From: Alex Giannelia mailto:a...@airsensing.com>> To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:15 am Subject: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL White Oak is highly rot resistant, not like teak, but similar to mahogany. Red Oak gets fungus in it and goes pretty quickly if soaked and should be avoided on boat parts unless somewhere unlikely to get wet. My .02 Cdn worth. ALEX GIANNELIA CC 35-II (1974) WILL BE RENAMED ON THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006 Toronto Ontario -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com?>] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> Sent: August 7, 2013 9:38 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 91, Issue 19 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Ed Dooley) 2. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Sylvain Laplante) 3. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Sylvain Laplante) 4. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Colin Kilgour) 5. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Paul Baker) 6. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Steve Thomas) 7. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Della Barba, Joe) 8. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Stevan Plavsa) 9. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Joel Aronson) ___
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If you really want to use wood, and can find it, live oak is probably the best wood for strength. It was highly sought after for knees, etc. of the wooden sailing ships of the 1700-1800s. Live oak was widely used in early American butt shipbuilding. Because of the trees' short height and low-hanging branches, lumber from live oak was specifically used to make curved structural members of the hull, such as knee braces (single-piece, inverted L-shaped braces that spring inward from the side and support a ship's deck). In such cuts of lumber, the line of the grain would fall perpendicularly to lines of stress, creating structures of exceptional strength. Live oaks were not generally used for planking because the curved and often convoluted shape of the tree did not lend itself to be milled to planking of any length. Red oak or white oak was generally used for planking on vessels, as those trees tended to grow straight and tall and thus would yield straight trunk sections of length suitable for milling into plank lengths. Live oak was largely logged out in Europe by the latter half of the 19th century, and was similarly sought after and exported from the United States until iron- and steel-hulled commercial vessel construction became the standard early in the 20th century. Live oak lumber is rarely used for furniture due to warping and twisting while drying. It continues to be used occasionally when available in shipbuilding, as well as for tool handles for its strength, energy absorption, and density, but modern composites are often substituted with good effect. Dry southern live oak lumber has a specific gravity of 0.88, among the highest of North American hardwoods Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Alex Giannelia To: cnc-list Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 11:15 am Subject: Stus-List MAST STEP MATERIAL White Oak is highly rot resistant, not like teak, but similar to mahogany. Red ak gets fungus in it and goes pretty quickly if soaked and should be avoided on oat parts unless somewhere unlikely to get wet. My .02 Cdn worth. ALEX GIANNELIA CC 35-II (1974) WILL BE RENAMED N THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006 oronto Ontario -Original Message- rom: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of nc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com ent: August 7, 2013 9:38 AM o: cnc-list@cnc-list.com ubject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 91, Issue 19 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com r, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific han "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." oday's Topics: 1. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Ed Dooley) 2. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Sylvain Laplante) 3. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Sylvain Laplante) 4. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Colin Kilgour) 5. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Paul Baker) 6. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Steve Thomas) 7. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Della Barba, Joe) 8. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Stevan Plavsa) 9. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Joel Aronson) __ his List is provided by the C&C Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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White Oak is highly rot resistant, not like teak, but similar to mahogany. Red Oak gets fungus in it and goes pretty quickly if soaked and should be avoided on boat parts unless somewhere unlikely to get wet. My .02 Cdn worth. ALEX GIANNELIA CC 35-II (1974) WILL BE RENAMED ON THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006 Toronto Ontario -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: August 7, 2013 9:38 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 91, Issue 19 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Ed Dooley) 2. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Sylvain Laplante) 3. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Sylvain Laplante) 4. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Colin Kilgour) 5. Re: painting/varnishing wooder oars (Paul Baker) 6. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Steve Thomas) 7. Re: C&C 30 mast step yet again (Della Barba, Joe) 8. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Stevan Plavsa) 9. Re: Waste fitting stuck (Joel Aronson) ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
