Re: Stus-List New Halyards for teh 38MKII
Tim, 5/16 may be a bit small for the current rope clutches to hold onto. I generally run 3/8 hi-tech line and have been happy with it holding in the clutches. I know it's a bit of overkill, but it works. My ancient Schaefer clutches still work well. If I went to a smaller halyard, I might have to add a cover to it where it goes through the clutches. Back from Screwpile and still catching up with the list. Jake Jake Brodersen CC 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:06 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List New Halyards for teh 38MKII I just got 5/16 Endura Braid (SK75 Dyneema) for my main halyard from Defender @ $350 including splices and shackle - I have a smaller boat, but I am happy with how its working. Jib halyards are 5/16 Ultra Tech (Technora core - similar to Kevlar) and I am pretty happy with their performance too. We raced in 18-20 last weekend and no issues once adjusted to wind speed. You may not want to step down to 5/16, but you probably don't need 7/16 and 3/8 is fine for handling. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Ron Casciato rjcasci...@comcast.net wrote: Group: I am considering replacing my 7/16 low stretch (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is no stretch.. We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the Main and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry.. We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. The big problem is the sticker shock for Dyneema or similar material two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on reasonable priced high tech line? Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC ..'77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com image001.jpg___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for teh 38MKII
I forgot to say that I changed out my rope clutches at the same time - the previous ones were great at chewing up new halyards... Congrats on the races! Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Jake Brodersen captain_j...@cox.netwrote: Tim, ** ** 5/16” may be a bit small for the current rope clutches to hold onto. I generally run 3/8” hi-tech line and have been happy with it holding in the clutches. I know it’s a bit of overkill, but it works. My ancient Schaefer clutches still work well. If I went to a smaller halyard, I might have to add a cover to it where it goes through the clutches. ** ** Back from Screwpile and still catching up with the list… ** ** Jake ** ** ** ** *Jake Brodersen* *CC 35 Mk-III* *Midnight Mistress* *Hampton VA* * * [image: cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940]** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Goodyear *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:06 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List New Halyards for teh 38MKII ** ** I just got 5/16 Endura Braid (SK75 Dyneema) for my main halyard from Defender @ $350 including splices and shackle - I have a smaller boat, but I am happy with how its working. Jib halyards are 5/16 Ultra Tech (Technora core - similar to Kevlar) and I am pretty happy with their performance too. We raced in 18-20 last weekend and no issues once adjusted to wind speed. You may not want to step down to 5/16, but you probably don't need 7/16 and 3/8 is fine for handling. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Ron Casciato rjcasci...@comcast.net wrote: Group: I am considering replacing my 7/16” “low stretch” (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is “no stretch”…. We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the Main and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry…. We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. The big problem is the “sticker shock” for Dyneema or similar material…….. two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on “reasonable priced” high tech line? Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC ….’77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ** ** ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com image001.jpg___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for teh 38MKII
I really like the Crystalline line of rope from Yale. For what it is worth Practical Sailor did a dollars to stretch comparison a few years ago and the Crystalline had one of best ratings/ratios. About a month ago I finally decided that the fishhooks in my wire halyards had to go. A renewed look at the options showed the three top contenders NER V100, Yale Crystalline, and Sampson Warpspeed. I compared prices for all my options at APSltd.com and then drove there to compare in person. The Crystalline came in at $2.19 for 3/8 with an 11,000lbs rating. The stretch is supposed to be 0.25% at 1000lbs of tension or about 1.5 over 50 feet. Something I kind wish I had thought to do is use cheaper and maybe thinner line for the bottom half of the halyard. During the hoist the only time you really need to be concerned with stretch is the final foot or so. I needed two lengths about 125' so I walked out about $500 lighter. Good luck, Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk Solomons, MD I've been very satisfied with the quality but some people may not like how stiff the rope is. -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com On Jul 20, 2013 7:05 PM, Ron Casciato rjcasci...@comcast.net wrote: ** ** ** Group: ** ** I am considering replacing my 7/16” “low stretch” (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is “no stretch”…. ** ** We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the **Main** and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry…. ** ** We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. ** ** The big problem is the “sticker shock” for Dyneema or similar material…….. two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. ** ** Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on “reasonable priced” high tech line? ** ** Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC ….’77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for teh 38MKII
Group: I am considering replacing my 7/16 low stretch (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is no stretch.. We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the Main and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry.. We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. The big problem is the sticker shock for Dyneema or similar material two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on reasonable priced high tech line? Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC ..'77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for teh 38MKII
Ron, What diameter line did you price? 3/8 would be plenty. 3/8 Endura braid is 3.12 a foot at APS. I have 7/16 VPC and am happy with it. Its not the lowest stretch, but it is a very good value. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Ron Casciato rjcasci...@comcast.netwrote: ** ** ** Group: ** ** I am considering replacing my 7/16” “low stretch” (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is “no stretch”…. ** ** We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the **Main** and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry…. ** ** We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. ** ** The big problem is the “sticker shock” for Dyneema or similar material…….. two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. ** ** Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on “reasonable priced” high tech line? ** ** Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC ….’77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for teh 38MKII
I just got 5/16 Endura Braid (SK75 Dyneema) for my main halyard from Defender @ $350 including splices and shackle - I have a smaller boat, but I am happy with how its working. Jib halyards are 5/16 Ultra Tech (Technora core - similar to Kevlar) and I am pretty happy with their performance too. We raced in 18-20 last weekend and no issues once adjusted to wind speed. You may not want to step down to 5/16, but you probably don't need 7/16 and 3/8 is fine for handling. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Ron Casciato rjcasci...@comcast.netwrote: ** ** ** Group: ** ** I am considering replacing my 7/16” “low stretch” (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is “no stretch”…. ** ** We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the **Main** and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry…. ** ** We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. ** ** The big problem is the “sticker shock” for Dyneema or similar material…….. two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. ** ** Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on “reasonable priced” high tech line? ** ** Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC ….’77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
