Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor
Ok, makes sense.Bruce Whitmore null___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor
Just did this…and as long as there is water above pump. No need to tightly seal. David F. Risch Gulf Stream Associates (401) 419-4650 From: CnC-List On Behalf Of bwhitmore via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 7:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bwhitmore Subject: Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor Agreed Marek, Perhaps I didn't understand how others were teed into their sink drain. What I have usually seen is a tee in the drain which leads to the toilet bowl (for example going to between the seat and the bowl. The head is flushed normally most of the time, but when you want it flushed with fresh water, close the sink seacock and fill the sink with fresh water. The gravity would cause the fresh water to run from the sink and drain into the toilet bowl where it is then flushed through. As for teeing the toilet intake into the sink drain, that would work but keep in mind the drain in the sink must be tightly closed, otherwise the toilet intake will draw in air, not seawater. Am I making sense? Bruce Whitmore 1994 C&C 37/40+ "Astralis" Sent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Date: 5/26/19 9:46 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor If you tee the drain from the head sink to the head intake hose, you would be able to pour AF into the sink and _pump_ it through the head pump, and all the inner working of the head. It would winterise the head properly. Marek Sent from Mail<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=02%7C01%7C%7C341a71dc311a47c908a308d6e295fdc4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636945531162768542&sdata=PZ08D%2BBGHUQ1u9%2BXhISqk%2BfOax72RMQumod5LlXxx98%3D&reserved=0> for Windows 10 From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf of John Irvin via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:44:03 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: John Irvin Subject: Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor I pour antifreeze down the hose. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2019, at 9:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: One thing I read from Peggy Hall the Head Mistress is that pouring antifreeze in to th head and pumping it out is insufficient to winterize the head because no water is drawn in through the intake hose. This makes sense to me, but i think it may depend on the design of the particular head. Just a thought, Bruce Whitmore Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.me%2Fstumurray&data=02%7C01%7C%7C341a71dc311a47c908a308d6e295fdc4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636945531162788564&sdata=DAKjJaSdzd%2FITTBdM2gL%2FuRU0rg2BZyzWvdcAXjFwDc%3D&reserved=0> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor
Agreed Marek,Perhaps I didn't understand how others were teed into their sink drain. What I have usually seen is a tee in the drain which leads to the toilet bowl (for example going to between the seat and the bowl. The head is flushed normally most of the time, but when you want it flushed with fresh water, close the sink seacock and fill the sink with fresh water. The gravity would cause the fresh water to run from the sink and drain into the toilet bowl where it is then flushed through. As for teeing the toilet intake into the sink drain, that would work but keep in mind the drain in the sink must be tightly closed, otherwise the toilet intake will draw in air, not seawater.Am I making sense?Bruce Whitmore 1994 C&C 37/40+"Astralis"Sent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Date: 5/26/19 9:46 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic Subject: Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor If you tee the drain from the head sink to the head intake hose, you would be able to pour AF into the sink and _pump_ it through the head pump, and all the inner working of the head. It would winterise the head properly. Marek Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: CnC-List on behalf of John Irvin via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:44:03 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John Irvin Subject: Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor I pour antifreeze down the hose. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2019, at 9:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List wrote: One thing I read from Peggy Hall the Head Mistress is that pouring antifreeze in to th head and pumping it out is insufficient to winterize the head because no water is drawn in through the intake hose. This makes sense to me, but i think it may depend on the design of the particular head. Just a thought, Bruce Whitmore Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor
If you tee the drain from the head sink to the head intake hose, you would be able to pour AF into the sink and _pump_ it through the head pump, and all the inner working of the head. It would winterise the head properly. Marek Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CnC-List on behalf of John Irvin via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:44:03 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John Irvin Subject: Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor I pour antifreeze down the hose. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2019, at 9:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: One thing I read from Peggy Hall the Head Mistress is that pouring antifreeze in to th head and pumping it out is insufficient to winterize the head because no water is drawn in through the intake hose. This makes sense to me, but i think it may depend on the design of the particular head. Just a thought, Bruce Whitmore Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor
I pour antifreeze down the hose. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2019, at 9:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: One thing I read from Peggy Hall the Head Mistress is that pouring antifreeze in to th head and pumping it out is insufficient to winterize the head because no water is drawn in through the intake hose. This makes sense to me, but i think it may depend on the design of the particular head. Just a thought, Bruce Whitmore Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor
One thing I read from Peggy Hall the Head Mistress is that pouring antifreeze in to th head and pumping it out is insufficient to winterize the head because no water is drawn in through the intake hose. This makes sense to me, but i think it may depend on the design of the particular head.Just a thought, Bruce Whitmore Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone null___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor
It also helps in winterizing the head (you just pour AF into the sink) Marek C270 Ottawa, ON Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CnC-List on behalf of Shawn Wright via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 1:04:49 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Shawn Wright Subject: Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor I like the idea of adding a tee in the sink drain for a fresh water flush - thanks! -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com<mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:13 AM Dreuge via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I have seen heads discharge loops vented with a small hose led to an external vent. Some were with inline check valves but some without. The later was more common for anti-siphon at the raw water to exhaust mixing below. I thought about added a hose to my head discharge loop if it became a problem. The longer the little rubber valve work, the more likely I’ll replace it as Dennis has done. The only head odor problem I have had was due to stagnate seawater in the inlet to head. I fixed this by teeing the head inlet to the head sink drain. When I leave the boat for an extended period, I now close off the seacock, fill the sink with some fresh water, and pump it through the head. No more stench. - Paul E. 1981 C&C Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Fort Walton Beach, FL http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ On May 24, 2019, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote: Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 09:08:21 -0500 From: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor Message-ID: <1920a42c-7848-4bbc-bb20-c9d5985fd...@gmail.com<mailto:1920a42c-7848-4bbc-bb20-c9d5985fd...@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The anti-siphon valve on the vented loop is usually not routed anywhere. It just sits on the top of the loop. It?s different from the tank vent. Dennis C. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor
I keep an air freshener in the head. I also noticed that the hoses sometimes collect moisture on the outside, which become mildewed and emit an odor. Bleach corrects that problem. On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 10:05 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I like the idea of adding a tee in the sink drain for a fresh water flush > - thanks! > -- > Shawn Wright > shawngwri...@gmail.com > S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 > https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_SVCallisto&d=DwMFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m=LHYW3YJrHv5RuV7UcxGD-kft9fBjdjX1vLZKVDJFOY8&s=Q2BBHCp13or1vQ6teeNFhMdlZLoRJHZIwxQqjfW8oD0&e=> > > > On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:13 AM Dreuge via CnC-List > wrote: > >> I have seen heads discharge loops vented with a small hose led to an >> external vent. Some were with inline check valves but some without. The >> later was more common for anti-siphon at the raw water to exhaust mixing >> below. >> >> I thought about added a hose to my head discharge loop if it became a >> problem. The longer the little rubber valve work, the more likely I’ll >> replace it as Dennis has done. >> >> The only head odor problem I have had was due to stagnate seawater in the >> inlet to head. I fixed this by teeing the head inlet to the head sink >> drain. When I leave the boat for an extended period, I now close off the >> seacock, fill the sink with some fresh water, and pump it through the >> head. No more stench. >> >> >> - >> Paul E. >> 1981 C&C Landfall 38 >> S/V Johanna Rose >> Fort Walton Beach, FL >> >> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__svjohannarose.blogspot.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m=LHYW3YJrHv5RuV7UcxGD-kft9fBjdjX1vLZKVDJFOY8&s=diqEnwwyUnGrZkJNW6zeeTMBq19-Cgv6do7TezVYyPA&e=> >> >> On May 24, 2019, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: >> >> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 09:08:21 -0500 >> From: "Dennis C." >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor >> Message-ID: <1920a42c-7848-4bbc-bb20-c9d5985fd...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> The anti-siphon valve on the vented loop is usually not routed anywhere. >> It just sits on the top of the loop. >> >> It?s different from the tank vent. >> >> Dennis C. >> >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.paypal.me_stumurray&d=DwMFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m=LHYW3YJrHv5RuV7UcxGD-kft9fBjdjX1vLZKVDJFOY8&s=td-KCF_WmPOWmb29anyYSOGumzTjz6ilSzn0ZScgjrI&e=> >> >> ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.paypal.me_stumurray&d=DwICAg&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m=LHYW3YJrHv5RuV7UcxGD-kft9fBjdjX1vLZKVDJFOY8&s=td-KCF_WmPOWmb29anyYSOGumzTjz6ilSzn0ZScgjrI&e= > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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I like the idea of adding a tee in the sink drain for a fresh water flush - thanks! -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:13 AM Dreuge via CnC-List wrote: > I have seen heads discharge loops vented with a small hose led to an > external vent. Some were with inline check valves but some without. The > later was more common for anti-siphon at the raw water to exhaust mixing > below. > > I thought about added a hose to my head discharge loop if it became a > problem. The longer the little rubber valve work, the more likely I’ll > replace it as Dennis has done. > > The only head odor problem I have had was due to stagnate seawater in the > inlet to head. I fixed this by teeing the head inlet to the head sink > drain. When I leave the boat for an extended period, I now close off the > seacock, fill the sink with some fresh water, and pump it through the > head. No more stench. > > > - > Paul E. > 1981 C&C Landfall 38 > S/V Johanna Rose > Fort Walton Beach, FL > > http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ > > On May 24, 2019, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 09:08:21 -0500 > From: "Dennis C." > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor > Message-ID: <1920a42c-7848-4bbc-bb20-c9d5985fd...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The anti-siphon valve on the vented loop is usually not routed anywhere. > It just sits on the top of the loop. > > It?s different from the tank vent. > > Dennis C. > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor
I have seen heads discharge loops vented with a small hose led to an external vent. Some were with inline check valves but some without. The later was more common for anti-siphon at the raw water to exhaust mixing below. I thought about added a hose to my head discharge loop if it became a problem. The longer the little rubber valve work, the more likely I’ll replace it as Dennis has done. The only head odor problem I have had was due to stagnate seawater in the inlet to head. I fixed this by teeing the head inlet to the head sink drain. When I leave the boat for an extended period, I now close off the seacock, fill the sink with some fresh water, and pump it through the head. No more stench. - Paul E. 1981 C&C Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Fort Walton Beach, FL http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ > On May 24, 2019, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 09:08:21 -0500 > From: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor > Message-ID: <1920a42c-7848-4bbc-bb20-c9d5985fd...@gmail.com > <mailto:1920a42c-7848-4bbc-bb20-c9d5985fd...@gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The anti-siphon valve on the vented loop is usually not routed anywhere. It > just sits on the top of the loop. > > It?s different from the tank vent. > > Dennis C. > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor
The anti-siphon valve on the vented loop is usually not routed anywhere. It just sits on the top of the loop. It’s different from the tank vent. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 8:31 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List > wrote: > > Interesting, I will have a look at mine. Yours is vented outside the hull, > right? Mine has a hose, which I assume is connected to the holding tank vent > line, and then to the outside vent below the toerail. > -- > Shawn Wright > shawngwri...@gmail.com > S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 > https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto > > >> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:10 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List >> wrote: >> I started smelling a little head odor recently. I quickly traced it to the >> "duck bill" valve on top of the vented loop on the discharge hose. Like >> joker valves, these often overlooked valves can get scaled up and leak. >> >> To confirm, I dried the top of the valve cap assembly, gave the head a few >> hard pumps on wet flush and checked it. Sure enough, the top was wet. Over >> time, this small amount of black water leaking into the boat will result in >> an odor. >> >> Depending on the manufacturer of the vented loop, replacing the duck bill is >> usually easily done. Mine is a Forespar MF-841. readily available for >> about $12 on Amazon or eBay. I've replaced it at least once in 20 years. >> >> Hope this benefits the list. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor
Interesting, I will have a look at mine. Yours is vented outside the hull, right? Mine has a hose, which I assume is connected to the holding tank vent line, and then to the outside vent below the toerail. -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:10 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I started smelling a little head odor recently. I quickly traced it to > the "duck bill" valve on top of the vented loop on the discharge hose. > Like joker valves, these often overlooked valves can get scaled up and leak. > > To confirm, I dried the top of the valve cap assembly, gave the head a few > hard pumps on wet flush and checked it. Sure enough, the top was wet. > Over time, this small amount of black water leaking into the boat will > result in an odor. > > Depending on the manufacturer of the vented loop, replacing the duck bill > is usually easily done. Mine is a Forespar MF-841. readily available for > about $12 on Amazon or eBay. I've replaced it at least once in 20 years. > > Hope this benefits the list. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Oft overlooked source of head odor
I started smelling a little head odor recently. I quickly traced it to the "duck bill" valve on top of the vented loop on the discharge hose. Like joker valves, these often overlooked valves can get scaled up and leak. To confirm, I dried the top of the valve cap assembly, gave the head a few hard pumps on wet flush and checked it. Sure enough, the top was wet. Over time, this small amount of black water leaking into the boat will result in an odor. Depending on the manufacturer of the vented loop, replacing the duck bill is usually easily done. Mine is a Forespar MF-841. readily available for about $12 on Amazon or eBay. I've replaced it at least once in 20 years. Hope this benefits the list. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
