Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

you're right, doesn't look like much nowadays...I wonder how they
handled all the waste products from construction considering they used
a lot of polyester resin and solvents at that place
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
 wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's
> history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old
> Niagara-On-The-Lake C factory where many of our boats were built.  This
> appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address
> was 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
>
>
> And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C's
> were built.
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
>
>
>
> Ryan
> S/V Nobody's Bargain
> 1976 C 30 MK I
> Hull #377
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Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

[Rino Granito via CnC-List]

I just want to revive the whole aspect of Canadian built boats.  Its
sad to see our  accomplishments as Canadians, being turned into dust :(
 With a bit of funding and some good management I am sure we can shine
once again..  Not only in this industry but in many others as well.  I
find this very sad indeed :(
On Mon, 2016-02-01 at 14:45 -0500, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:
> Hey everyone, 
> 
> Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my
> boat's history and did a Google Street view search for the site of
> the old Niagara-On-The-Lake C factory where many of our boats were
> built.  This appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The
> official address was 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.  
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,
> -79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6ab
> rM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM
> 7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3
> D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6
> m1!1e1
> 
> 
> And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later
> C's were built.
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,
> -71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XA
> gGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
> 
> 
> 
> Ryan
> S/V Nobody's Bargain
> 1976 C 30 MK I
> Hull #377
> 
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Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hey everyone,

Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's
history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old
Niagara-On-The-Lake C factory where many of our boats were built.  This
appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address
was 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1


And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C's
were built.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656



Ryan
S/V Nobody's Bargain
1976 C 30 MK I
Hull #377
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Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I visited the Tartan C Fairport Marine Plant in Fairport, Ohio two years ago. 
  It was not much more impressive.  Jerry C J
 

 

 

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Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2016 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View



I just want to revive the whole aspect of Canadian built boats.  Its sad to see 
our  accomplishments as Canadians, being turned into dust :(  With a bit of 
funding and some good management I am sure we can shine once again..  Not only 
in this industry but in many others as well.  I find this very sad indeed :(


On Mon, 2016-02-01 at 14:45 -0500, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:

Hey everyone, 


Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's 
history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old 
Niagara-On-The-Lake C factory where many of our boats were built.  This 
appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address was 
526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.  


https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1




And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C's 
were built.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656






Ryan
S/V Nobody's Bargain
1976 C 30 MK I
Hull #377






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Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Jeez... who knows.  I'm not sure what the laws were in Canada at that time,
but here in the States much of the environmental legislation that regulated
that type of thing was passed around or after when my boat was built
('75).  I know my Atomic 4 would be much happier running on leaded gas...

Ryan
S/V Nobody's Bargain
1976 C 30 MK I
Hull #377


On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 3:26 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> you're right, doesn't look like much nowadays...I wonder how they
> handled all the waste products from construction considering they used
> a lot of polyester resin and solvents at that place
> Dwight Veinot
> C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
>  wrote:
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my
> boat's
> > history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old
> > Niagara-On-The-Lake C factory where many of our boats were built.  This
> > appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address
> > was 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.
> >
> >
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
> >
> >
> > And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later
> C's
> > were built.
> >
> >
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
> >
> >
> >
> > Ryan
> > S/V Nobody's Bargain
> > 1976 C 30 MK I
> > Hull #377
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

In 1994, a devastating fire at the Niagara-on-the-Lake plant destroyed 40
molds and three C 51s under construction. Insurance covered only part of
the loss, and Koo and Chow found it too expensive to restart.


>From the Toronto Star, April 21,1994, page A10

$2 MILLION FIRE HITS BOAT BUILDER

Niagara-on-the-Lake

The fire is a blow to C's 50 workers, since the market had seemed to be
on the upswing with orders for new yachts, Al VanDijk said.

No one was hurt in the 1:30 a.m. blaze, which tore through a block-long
warehouse for production equipment and fibreglass materials used to make
sailboats. Smoke and heat also damaged as many as 25 sailboats - some
coasting up to $500,000 - in sheds attacked to the main warehouse, said
Greg Warner, District 1 fire chief in the town.

"Of course it's a disappointment to us," C president Antony Koo said.

He said his company is still trying to assess the damage and is waiting for
the reports from the Ontario Fire Marshall's Office to determine the cause
of the blaze.

Eigh*** sailboats were in production before the fire.  The blaze could mean
the company loses some contracts from customers, Koo added.



On 1 February 2016 at 15:45, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my
> boat's history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old
> Niagara-On-The-Lake C factory where many of our boats were built.  This
> appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address
> was 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
>
>
> And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later
> C's were built.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
>
>
>
> Ryan
> S/V Nobody's Bargain
> 1976 C 30 MK I
> Hull #377
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Ryan,

The exterior of a boat building facility is rarely indicative of the quality of 
the work that goes on inside.  Many Florida boat building facilities don’t even 
have walls on the exteriors of the buildings (partially due to the heat, but I 
think they feel that every time a hurricane comes through, they’re going to 
lose the building so why bother with walls…).  It is also hard to keep a 
facility looking “pretty” if you have to store hull and deck molds outside and 
do wet layup of fiberglass indoors…

 

The boat building industry has suffered greatly during the upswings and 
downturns of our economic climate over the past 50 years, from the booms of the 
dawning of the fiberglass era, to the luxury tax disaster of the 1980’s and the 
Great Recession of the last decade.  The number of domestic North American boat 
manufacturers has been cut by 75% since 1980, both in the US and Canada.  If 
you want a good insight on the industry as a whole, not just sailboat OEMs but 
boat builders successful and not so successful, read Heart of Glass by Daniel 
Spurr.   Dan has done quite a bit of research, especially on C Yachts rise 
and fall, and he presents a good bit of information on how boatbuilding in 
North America developed into the iconic industry of today.  

 

It is very rough to get the right mix of design innovation, management and 
financial skills, brand and customer loyalty, and a well-trained skilled 
workforce all at the same time and keep the team together long enough to 
withstand the ups and downs of the world economic issues.  I’m always amused 
when a person tells me that sailboat builders will have a good year when oil 
and gas prices go up.  Little do they know that the same oil is  used to make  
the resins holding the boats together and the Dacron that goes into building 
the sails and ropes.  When the price of oil goes up, EVERYTHING costs more and 
only the very wealthy can afford luxury goods such as new sailing and motor 
yachts.  

 

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

1975 25 Mk1

 

S/V Orion (for now)

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 2:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

 

Hey everyone, 

Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's 
history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old 
Niagara-On-The-Lake C factory where many of our boats were built.  This 
appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address was 
526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.  

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

 

And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C's 
were built.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

 

Ryan
S/V Nobody's Bargain
1976 C 30 MK I
Hull #377




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Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

The saying goes, 

 

“ If you want to make a small fortune, take a large fortune and start a boat 
Shop.”

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 7:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

 

Chuck,

 

I certainly wasn't implying a relationship between the condition of a shuttered 
factory and our boats.  Hope it didn't come across that way.  

 

Just interesting to see the place where they came from.  And you're certainly 
right - the boat building business seems a tough business indeed..


On Feb 1, 2016, at 18:51, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

Ryan,

The exterior of a boat building facility is rarely indicative of the quality of 
the work that goes on inside.  Many Florida boat building facilities don’t even 
have walls on the exteriors of the buildings (partially due to the heat, but I 
think they feel that every time a hurricane comes through, they’re going to 
lose the building so why bother with walls…).  It is also hard to keep a 
facility looking “pretty” if you have to store hull and deck molds outside and 
do wet layup of fiberglass indoors…

 

The boat building industry has suffered greatly during the upswings and 
downturns of our economic climate over the past 50 years, from the booms of the 
dawning of the fiberglass era, to the luxury tax disaster of the 1980’s and the 
Great Recession of the last decade.  The number of domestic North American boat 
manufacturers has been cut by 75% since 1980, both in the US and Canada.  If 
you want a good insight on the industry as a whole, not just sailboat OEMs but 
boat builders successful and not so successful, read Heart of Glass by Daniel 
Spurr.   Dan has done quite a bit of research, especially on C Yachts rise 
and fall, and he presents a good bit of information on how boatbuilding in 
North America developed into the iconic industry of today.  

 

It is very rough to get the right mix of design innovation, management and 
financial skills, brand and customer loyalty, and a well-trained skilled 
workforce all at the same time and keep the team together long enough to 
withstand the ups and downs of the world economic issues.  I’m always amused 
when a person tells me that sailboat builders will have a good year when oil 
and gas prices go up.  Little do they know that the same oil is  used to make  
the resins holding the boats together and the Dacron that goes into building 
the sails and ropes.  When the price of oil goes up, EVERYTHING costs more and 
only the very wealthy can afford luxury goods such as new sailing and motor 
yachts.  

 

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

1975 25 Mk1

 

S/V Orion (for now)

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 2:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

 

Hey everyone, 

Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's 
history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old 
Niagara-On-The-Lake C factory where many of our boats were built.  This 
appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address was 
526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.  

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

 

And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C's 
were built.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

 

Ryan
S/V Nobody's Bargain
1976 C 30 MK I
Hull #377





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Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

I showed the Niagara picture to my boat and it cried. 

Brent D
27-5
Built in Niagara on the lake. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 1, 2016, at 8:23 PM, John Irvin via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Or open a ski area!
> From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List
> Sent: ‎2016-‎02-‎01 7:35 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Bill Coleman
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View
> 
> The saying goes,
>  
> “ If you want to make a small fortune, take a large fortune and start a boat 
> Shop.”
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C 39 Erie, PA
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 7:24 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ryan Doyle
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View
>  
> Chuck,
>  
> I certainly wasn't implying a relationship between the condition of a 
> shuttered factory and our boats.  Hope it didn't come across that way.  
>  
> Just interesting to see the place where they came from.  And you're certainly 
> right - the boat building business seems a tough business indeed..
> 
> On Feb 1, 2016, at 18:51, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Ryan,
> The exterior of a boat building facility is rarely indicative of the quality 
> of the work that goes on inside.  Many Florida boat building facilities don’t 
> even have walls on the exteriors of the buildings (partially due to the heat, 
> but I think they feel that every time a hurricane comes through, they’re 
> going to lose the building so why bother with walls…).  It is also hard to 
> keep a facility looking “pretty” if you have to store hull and deck molds 
> outside and do wet layup of fiberglass indoors…
>  
> The boat building industry has suffered greatly during the upswings and 
> downturns of our economic climate over the past 50 years, from the booms of 
> the dawning of the fiberglass era, to the luxury tax disaster of the 1980’s 
> and the Great Recession of the last decade.  The number of domestic North 
> American boat manufacturers has been cut by 75% since 1980, both in the US 
> and Canada.  If you want a good insight on the industry as a whole, not just 
> sailboat OEMs but boat builders successful and not so successful, read Heart 
> of Glass by Daniel Spurr.   Dan has done quite a bit of research, especially 
> on C Yachts rise and fall, and he presents a good bit of information on how 
> boatbuilding in North America developed into the iconic industry of today. 
>  
> It is very rough to get the right mix of design innovation, management and 
> financial skills, brand and customer loyalty, and a well-trained skilled 
> workforce all at the same time and keep the team together long enough to 
> withstand the ups and downs of the world economic issues.  I’m always amused 
> when a person tells me that sailboat builders will have a good year when oil 
> and gas prices go up.  Little do they know that the same oil is  used to make 
>  the resins holding the boats together and the Dacron that goes into building 
> the sails and ropes.  When the price of oil goes up, EVERYTHING costs more 
> and only the very wealthy can afford luxury goods such as new sailing and 
> motor yachts. 
>  
> Chuck Gilchrest
> Half Magic
> 1975 25 Mk1
>  
> S/V Orion (for now)
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram, MA
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 2:45 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View
>  
> Hey everyone,
> 
> Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's 
> history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old 
> Niagara-On-The-Lake C factory where many of our boats were built.  This 
> appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address was 
> 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON. 
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
>  
> 
> And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C's 
> were built.
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
> 
>  
>  
> Ryan
> S/V Nobody's Bargain
> 1976 C 30 MK I
>

Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Chuck,

I certainly wasn't implying a relationship between the condition of a shuttered 
factory and our boats.  Hope it didn't come across that way.  

Just interesting to see the place where they came from.  And you're certainly 
right - the boat building business seems a tough business indeed..

> On Feb 1, 2016, at 18:51, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Ryan,
> The exterior of a boat building facility is rarely indicative of the quality 
> of the work that goes on inside.  Many Florida boat building facilities don’t 
> even have walls on the exteriors of the buildings (partially due to the heat, 
> but I think they feel that every time a hurricane comes through, they’re 
> going to lose the building so why bother with walls…).  It is also hard to 
> keep a facility looking “pretty” if you have to store hull and deck molds 
> outside and do wet layup of fiberglass indoors…
>  
> The boat building industry has suffered greatly during the upswings and 
> downturns of our economic climate over the past 50 years, from the booms of 
> the dawning of the fiberglass era, to the luxury tax disaster of the 1980’s 
> and the Great Recession of the last decade.  The number of domestic North 
> American boat manufacturers has been cut by 75% since 1980, both in the US 
> and Canada.  If you want a good insight on the industry as a whole, not just 
> sailboat OEMs but boat builders successful and not so successful, read Heart 
> of Glass by Daniel Spurr.   Dan has done quite a bit of research, especially 
> on C Yachts rise and fall, and he presents a good bit of information on how 
> boatbuilding in North America developed into the iconic industry of today. 
>  
> It is very rough to get the right mix of design innovation, management and 
> financial skills, brand and customer loyalty, and a well-trained skilled 
> workforce all at the same time and keep the team together long enough to 
> withstand the ups and downs of the world economic issues.  I’m always amused 
> when a person tells me that sailboat builders will have a good year when oil 
> and gas prices go up.  Little do they know that the same oil is  used to make 
>  the resins holding the boats together and the Dacron that goes into building 
> the sails and ropes.  When the price of oil goes up, EVERYTHING costs more 
> and only the very wealthy can afford luxury goods such as new sailing and 
> motor yachts. 
>  
> Chuck Gilchrest
> Half Magic
> 1975 25 Mk1
>  
> S/V Orion (for now)
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram, MA
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 2:45 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View
>  
> Hey everyone,
> 
> Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's 
> history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old 
> Niagara-On-The-Lake C factory where many of our boats were built.  This 
> appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address was 
> 526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON. 
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
>  
> 
> And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C's 
> were built.
> 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
> 
>  
>  
> Ryan
> S/V Nobody's Bargain
> 1976 C 30 MK I
> Hull #377
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Or open a ski area!

-Original Message-
From: "Bill Coleman via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: ‎2016-‎02-‎01 7:35 PM
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: "Bill Coleman" <colt...@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

The saying goes, 
 
“ If you want to make a small fortune, take a large fortune and start a boat 
Shop.”
 
Bill Coleman
C 39 Erie, PA
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 7:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View
 
Chuck,
 
I certainly wasn't implying a relationship between the condition of a shuttered 
factory and our boats.  Hope it didn't come across that way.  
 
Just interesting to see the place where they came from.  And you're certainly 
right - the boat building business seems a tough business indeed..

On Feb 1, 2016, at 18:51, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
Ryan,
The exterior of a boat building facility is rarely indicative of the quality of 
the work that goes on inside.  Many Florida boat building facilities don’t even 
have walls on the exteriors of the buildings (partially due to the heat, but I 
think they feel that every time a hurricane comes through, they’re going to 
lose the building so why bother with walls…).  It is also hard to keep a 
facility looking “pretty” if you have to store hull and deck molds outside and 
do wet layup of fiberglass indoors…
 
The boat building industry has suffered greatly during the upswings and 
downturns of our economic climate over the past 50 years, from the booms of the 
dawning of the fiberglass era, to the luxury tax disaster of the 1980’s and the 
Great Recession of the last decade.  The number of domestic North American boat 
manufacturers has been cut by 75% since 1980, both in the US and Canada.  If 
you want a good insight on the industry as a whole, not just sailboat OEMs but 
boat builders successful and not so successful, read Heart of Glass by Daniel 
Spurr.   Dan has done quite a bit of research, especially on C Yachts rise 
and fall, and he presents a good bit of information on how boatbuilding in 
North America developed into the iconic industry of today.  
 
It is very rough to get the right mix of design innovation, management and 
financial skills, brand and customer loyalty, and a well-trained skilled 
workforce all at the same time and keep the team together long enough to 
withstand the ups and downs of the world economic issues.  I’m always amused 
when a person tells me that sailboat builders will have a good year when oil 
and gas prices go up.  Little do they know that the same oil is  used to make  
the resins holding the boats together and the Dacron that goes into building 
the sails and ropes.  When the price of oil goes up, EVERYTHING costs more and 
only the very wealthy can afford luxury goods such as new sailing and motor 
yachts.  
 
Chuck Gilchrest
Half Magic
1975 25 Mk1
 
S/V Orion (for now)
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA
 
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 2:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View
 
Hey everyone, 
Just figured I'd share these.  I was doing a bit of research into my boat's 
history and did a Google Street view search for the site of the old 
Niagara-On-The-Lake C factory where many of our boats were built.  This 
appears to be it.  A little sad looking these days.  The official address was 
526 Regent Street, Niagara-On-The-Lake, ON.  
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2477103,-79.0798583,3a,75y,46.89h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWXyUsyI08paWB6abrM7vTQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.186577%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
 
And this appears to be the Rhode Island plant where some of the later C's 
were built.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5370326,-71.2796595,3a,37.5y,238.05h,82.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQtO33RcgRe2XAgGkFTZWzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
 
 
Ryan
S/V Nobody's Bargain
1976 C 30 MK I
Hull #377




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Re: Stus-List Old C factories on Google Street View

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Good one Bill.

Like the forest industry gam at an ecological convention, "Ya can 
make anything outta wood except a profit."


or, when the farmer was asked what he will do with his lottery win, 
"I guess I can keep farming, until it's gone."


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
taking tomorrow off and doing some boat puttering




At 04:34 PM 01/02/2016, you wrote:


The saying goes,

 If you want to make a small fortune, take a large fortune and 
start a boat Shop.


Bill Coleman
C 39 Erie, PA




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