Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Accurate Fuel Tank Measurements

2023-06-28 Thread Neil Andersen via CnC-List
I recall that private aircraft fuel gauges need to only read correctly 2 thing. 
 Full & empty.

Somehow I don’t think you need a gauge to read empty when flying 

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:40:06 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Accurate Fuel Tank Measurements


Aircraft fuel gauges suck! The tanks are very wide but shallow, so the readings 
are not very accurate. If you have the better capacitive fuel gauge senders 
that helps. If you think about a float gauge in a tank that is 4-6 inches tall, 
the float itself bottoms out at around 1/8 of a tank or so. Some airplanes have 
dihedral (wings angled up at the tips), so a sender at the bottom of the slope 
will read full at a half tank and one at the top of the slope would read empty 
at a half tank.

What I really like is a fuel totalizer, this is an instrument that measures 
fuel flow and gallons used. Some of them are linked to the GPS and will set off 
an alarm if your fuel looks to be used up before you reach your destination.

You too can buy capacitive fuel senders for not a lot of money. $500 or so will 
get you a totalizer, but many of them get inaccurate at the low flow rates 
typical of sailboats.

* Air Canada famously ran their 757 out of fuel because the fuel gauges had 
crapped out and they were relying on the totalizer. Their plan would have 
worked but for metric system confusion. They did something like ask for 2,000 
gallons of fuel and get 2,000 liters. They programmed the totalizer with 2,000 
gallons added and it did not know any better.

** Some sadistic engineer configured some Beech Barons with 4 fuel tanks and 2 
gauges. Entertainment ensues when you have the tanks switched to A and the 
gauges switched to B. How can we be out of gas, the gauges say full???





Joe Della Barba

Coquina





From: cenelson--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:44 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Accurate Fuel Tank Measurements







II am not a pilot but suspect that given the consequences of running out of 
fuel at 10,000 feet, a different technology is used for airplane fuel tanks—if 
not, I am sure such tanks are calibrated more accurately than most boat fuel 
tanks!



Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

C 36 XL/kcb


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Accurate Fuel Tank Measurements

2023-06-28 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Aircraft fuel gauges suck! The tanks are very wide but shallow, so the readings 
are not very accurate. If you have the better capacitive fuel gauge senders 
that helps. If you think about a float gauge in a tank that is 4-6 inches tall, 
the float itself bottoms out at around 1/8 of a tank or so. Some airplanes have 
dihedral (wings angled up at the tips), so a sender at the bottom of the slope 
will read full at a half tank and one at the top of the slope would read empty 
at a half tank.
What I really like is a fuel totalizer, this is an instrument that measures 
fuel flow and gallons used. Some of them are linked to the GPS and will set off 
an alarm if your fuel looks to be used up before you reach your destination.
You too can buy capacitive fuel senders for not a lot of money. $500 or so will 
get you a totalizer, but many of them get inaccurate at the low flow rates 
typical of sailboats.
* Air Canada famously ran their 757 out of fuel because the fuel gauges had 
crapped out and they were relying on the totalizer. Their plan would have 
worked but for metric system confusion. They did something like ask for 2,000 
gallons of fuel and get 2,000 liters. They programmed the totalizer with 2,000 
gallons added and it did not know any better.
** Some sadistic engineer configured some Beech Barons with 4 fuel tanks and 2 
gauges. Entertainment ensues when you have the tanks switched to A and the 
gauges switched to B. How can we be out of gas, the gauges say full???


Joe Della Barba
Coquina


From: cenelson--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:44 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt ; Peter W. ; 
cenel...@aol.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Accurate Fuel Tank Measurements



II am not a pilot but suspect that given the consequences of running out of 
fuel at 10,000 feet, a different technology is used for airplane fuel tanks—if 
not, I am sure such tanks are calibrated more accurately than most boat fuel 
tanks!

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb


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