Re: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops
Hi Ron, You won't regret the shallow draft ability on the BC coast. Many times the busy anchorages have a "hole" or many more in the thinner parts, so you can come in late and still be snug. But even better is when our heavy summer winds blow through. In this case you will be able to tuck up close to the towering fir trees, in a wind shadow and watch the boats swingin' in a 25 knot breeze a couple of hundred feet away. I can't speak about anchoring in rocky bottoms though. It's not something I've done in the decades of cruising this coast... too many good anchorages around to put up with a rocky bottom, I say... but maybe some day, if I have to, I guess. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 east side o' Vancouver Island At 08:49 PM 13/08/2014, you wrote: Martin, Thanks for the very helpful information. I am now seriously considering moving the Bop to the PNW as an alternative to selling her for a whopping loss - (although if someone whispered a reasonable number to me for her the convenience of moving electronic funds vs a big old sailboat would be tempting). Alas she Bop will likely be transported when all is said and done. I will have some questions about doing that for you and the list as the day approaches. Very interesting to learn about the shallow areas there. We would love to cruise in the BC area. We will need to learn about anchoring over a rocky bottom. I've never done it. Ron On Aug 13, 2014, at 12:18 AM, Martin DeYoung <<mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> wrote: > Out there I would prefer a fixed keel. Do many sailors have swing keel models in the PNW? I'm not in touch with how many centerboard boats there are in the PNW or how it would affect resale value. Hopefully Lee Youngblood (s/v Simplicity, 1974 C&C 35-II, cnc-lister) will add his perspective as he is a PNW broker with C&C experience. Lee lives aboard his 35 and has sailed/raced on Calypso with us a few times. There was a detailed discussion about centerboards here a few weeks back. Based on what I read about C&C centerboard performance I don't believe you would have any significant performance loss in common PNW cruising conditions. If you plan to go far offshore (Mexico, So Pacific) or seriously race, a deeper keel may show an advantage >Are there shallow bays where it would come in handy? Yes. For example; Roche Harbor and surrounding bays (San Juan Island), many areas and both marinas around Port Townsend have shallow spots, much of Puget Sound south of Gig Harbor, Liberty Bay (Poulsbo), the Swinomish Slough (between LaConner and Anacortes). With 12'+ tides many smaller marinas have slips that would favor a centerboard over Calypso's 7"6" draft. As you go north to the awesome cruising ground of BC there are places where only a shallow draft boat can enter. One bay in Desolation Sound has a shallow entrance and must be entered at high tide. The shallow entrance keeps the sun warmed water in creating a anchorage warm enough to swim. I would not take Calypso in but I did get a C&C 36 in there by leading in with a dinghy and lead line. > Can you approximate the slip fee for a 35-38 in Puget Sound? We might end up in or around Edmonds. I don't follow the moorage costs outside of Shilshole Bay Marina (kept a boat there since 84) but here is my SWAG: salt water close to Seattle $400 to $500/mo, Edmonds/Everett a little less (check for the wait list in Edmonds), Anacortes +-$350/mo. A note on Edmonds. It is a great location for sailing and a nice little community, but it is in the weather convergence zone. Closer to Seattle or north of Marysville will average less rainy days per year. For moorage also check out Anacortes for how close it is to the San Juan Islands. Please let me know if you have any difficulty in digging up PNW sailing info. Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle From: Ron Kaye [<mailto:ronkaye...@gmail.com>mailto:ronkaye...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:34 PM To: Martin DeYoung Cc: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops Out there I would prefer a fixed keel. Don't most sailors? I consider a swing keel to be an East Coast necessity. Do many sailors have swing keel models in the PNW? As we know, that blade is heavy and takes some effort to manage. It's worth it to be able to traverse so much of the Chesapeake that would be too shallow otherwise. (And to keep the boat in 5' of water). In the PNW I would think we'd just leave it down permanently and it would eventually get stuck like that if we didn't make a point of raising and lowering. Are there shallow bays where it would come in handy? But you do have a good point and perhaps we w
Re: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops
Martin, Thanks for the very helpful information. I am now seriously considering moving the Bop to the PNW as an alternative to selling her for a whopping loss - (although if someone whispered a reasonable number to me for her the convenience of moving electronic funds vs a big old sailboat would be tempting). Alas she Bop will likely be transported when all is said and done. I will have some questions about doing that for you and the list as the day approaches. Very interesting to learn about the shallow areas there. We would love to cruise in the BC area. We will need to learn about anchoring over a rocky bottom. I've never done it. Ron > On Aug 13, 2014, at 12:18 AM, Martin DeYoung wrote: > > > Out there I would prefer a fixed keel. Do many sailors have swing keel > > models in the PNW? > > I'm not in touch with how many centerboard boats there are in the PNW or how > it would affect resale value. Hopefully Lee Youngblood (s/v Simplicity, 1974 > C&C 35-II, cnc-lister) will add his perspective as he is a PNW broker with > C&C experience. Lee lives aboard his 35 and has sailed/raced on Calypso with > us a few times. > > There was a detailed discussion about centerboards here a few weeks back. > Based on what I read about C&C centerboard performance I don't believe you > would have any significant performance loss in common PNW cruising > conditions. If you plan to go far offshore (Mexico, So Pacific) or seriously > race, a deeper keel may show an advantage > > >Are there shallow bays where it would come in handy? > > Yes. For example; Roche Harbor and surrounding bays (San Juan Island), many > areas and both marinas around Port Townsend have shallow spots, much of Puget > Sound south of Gig Harbor, Liberty Bay (Poulsbo), the Swinomish Slough > (between LaConner and Anacortes). With 12'+ tides many smaller marinas have > slips that would favor a centerboard over Calypso's 7"6" draft. > > As you go north to the awesome cruising ground of BC there are places where > only a shallow draft boat can enter. One bay in Desolation Sound has a > shallow entrance and must be entered at high tide. The shallow entrance > keeps the sun warmed water in creating a anchorage warm enough to swim. I > would not take Calypso in but I did get a C&C 36 in there by leading in with > a dinghy and lead line. > > > Can you approximate the slip fee for a 35-38 in Puget Sound? We might end > > up in or around Edmonds. > > I don't follow the moorage costs outside of Shilshole Bay Marina (kept a boat > there since 84) but here is my SWAG: salt water close to Seattle $400 to > $500/mo, Edmonds/Everett a little less (check for the wait list in Edmonds), > Anacortes +-$350/mo. > > A note on Edmonds. It is a great location for sailing and a nice little > community, but it is in the weather convergence zone. Closer to Seattle or > north of Marysville will average less rainy days per year. For moorage also > check out Anacortes for how close it is to the San Juan Islands. > > Please let me know if you have any difficulty in digging up PNW sailing info. > > Martin > Calypso > 1971 C&C 43 > Seattle > > > > From: Ron Kaye [mailto:ronkaye...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:34 PM > To: Martin DeYoung > Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops > > Out there I would prefer a fixed keel. Don't most sailors? I consider a > swing keel to be an East Coast necessity. Do many sailors have swing keel > models in the PNW? > As we know, that blade is heavy and takes some effort to manage. It's worth > it to be able to traverse so much of the Chesapeake that would be too shallow > otherwise. (And to keep the boat in 5' of water). In the PNW I would think > we'd just leave it down permanently and it would eventually get stuck like > that if we didn't make a point of raising and lowering. Are there shallow > bays where it would come in handy? > But you do have a good point and perhaps we will ultimately do exactly that. > We will see what kind of offers we get. However I'm hoping the difference > between 6 and (6+x) might be workable (depending on the value of x) if we can > end up with a boat that is better suited for that area. Additionally in the > equation: Admiral Bop is keen on moving up three feet (or more), and we have > friends there who expressed interest in co-owning a sailboat when we get > there - which might make that three feet more important as well as > affordable. And because we will be downsizing the house, upsizing the Bop has > a certain balance aspect
Re: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops
> Out there I would prefer a fixed keel. Do many sailors have swing keel models > in the PNW? I'm not in touch with how many centerboard boats there are in the PNW or how it would affect resale value. Hopefully Lee Youngblood (s/v Simplicity, 1974 C&C 35-II, cnc-lister) will add his perspective as he is a PNW broker with C&C experience. Lee lives aboard his 35 and has sailed/raced on Calypso with us a few times. There was a detailed discussion about centerboards here a few weeks back. Based on what I read about C&C centerboard performance I don't believe you would have any significant performance loss in common PNW cruising conditions. If you plan to go far offshore (Mexico, So Pacific) or seriously race, a deeper keel may show an advantage >Are there shallow bays where it would come in handy? Yes. For example; Roche Harbor and surrounding bays (San Juan Island), many areas and both marinas around Port Townsend have shallow spots, much of Puget Sound south of Gig Harbor, Liberty Bay (Poulsbo), the Swinomish Slough (between LaConner and Anacortes). With 12'+ tides many smaller marinas have slips that would favor a centerboard over Calypso's 7"6" draft. As you go north to the awesome cruising ground of BC there are places where only a shallow draft boat can enter. One bay in Desolation Sound has a shallow entrance and must be entered at high tide. The shallow entrance keeps the sun warmed water in creating a anchorage warm enough to swim. I would not take Calypso in but I did get a C&C 36 in there by leading in with a dinghy and lead line. > Can you approximate the slip fee for a 35-38 in Puget Sound? We might end up > in or around Edmonds. I don't follow the moorage costs outside of Shilshole Bay Marina (kept a boat there since 84) but here is my SWAG: salt water close to Seattle $400 to $500/mo, Edmonds/Everett a little less (check for the wait list in Edmonds), Anacortes +-$350/mo. A note on Edmonds. It is a great location for sailing and a nice little community, but it is in the weather convergence zone. Closer to Seattle or north of Marysville will average less rainy days per year. For moorage also check out Anacortes for how close it is to the San Juan Islands. Please let me know if you have any difficulty in digging up PNW sailing info. Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: Ron Kaye [mailto:ronkaye...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:34 PM To: Martin DeYoung Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops Out there I would prefer a fixed keel. Don't most sailors? I consider a swing keel to be an East Coast necessity. Do many sailors have swing keel models in the PNW? As we know, that blade is heavy and takes some effort to manage. It's worth it to be able to traverse so much of the Chesapeake that would be too shallow otherwise. (And to keep the boat in 5' of water). In the PNW I would think we'd just leave it down permanently and it would eventually get stuck like that if we didn't make a point of raising and lowering. Are there shallow bays where it would come in handy? But you do have a good point and perhaps we will ultimately do exactly that. We will see what kind of offers we get. However I'm hoping the difference between 6 and (6+x) might be workable (depending on the value of x) if we can end up with a boat that is better suited for that area. Additionally in the equation: Admiral Bop is keen on moving up three feet (or more), and we have friends there who expressed interest in co-owning a sailboat when we get there - which might make that three feet more important as well as affordable. And because we will be downsizing the house, upsizing the Bop has a certain balance aspect in the larger sense -which almost makes sense. Can you approximate the slip fee for a 35-38 in Puget Sound? We might end up in or around Edmonds. Ron On Aug 12, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Martin DeYoung mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>> wrote: Ron and Lisa, First off it is rarely clammy in winter, just cold and wet. In summer we do get a few days of hot and clammy (like yesterday) but mostly the late spring through mid-fall has comfortable PNW cruising weather. Regarding your boat change plans; have you considered trucking your nice 35MKIII to the PNW? It is possible the +-$6K spent on the truck and commissioning costs would be a better value than taking the loss on selling. Your equipment list holds up well for PNW 3 season cruising. Once you use the boat in the PNW waters your vision of what features will be important on the next boat will become more focused. There is an active C&C community here so if you have any questions regarding moorage locations from Portland OR (to the south) to Vancouver Island (to the north) I
Re: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops
Out there I would prefer a fixed keel. Don't most sailors? I consider a swing keel to be an East Coast necessity. Do many sailors have swing keel models in the PNW? As we know, that blade is heavy and takes some effort to manage. It's worth it to be able to traverse so much of the Chesapeake that would be too shallow otherwise. (And to keep the boat in 5' of water). In the PNW I would think we'd just leave it down permanently and it would eventually get stuck like that if we didn't make a point of raising and lowering. Are there shallow bays where it would come in handy? But you do have a good point and perhaps we will ultimately do exactly that. We will see what kind of offers we get. However I'm hoping the difference between 6 and (6+x) might be workable (depending on the value of x) if we can end up with a boat that is better suited for that area. Additionally in the equation: Admiral Bop is keen on moving up three feet (or more), and we have friends there who expressed interest in co-owning a sailboat when we get there - which might make that three feet more important as well as affordable. And because we will be downsizing the house, upsizing the Bop has a certain balance aspect in the larger sense -which almost makes sense. Can you approximate the slip fee for a 35-38 in Puget Sound? We might end up in or around Edmonds. Ron > On Aug 12, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Martin DeYoung wrote: > > Ron and Lisa, > > First off it is rarely clammy in winter, just cold and wet. In summer we do > get a few days of hot and clammy (like yesterday) but mostly the late spring > through mid-fall has comfortable PNW cruising weather. > > Regarding your boat change plans; have you considered trucking your nice > 35MKIII to the PNW? It is possible the +-$6K spent on the truck and > commissioning costs would be a better value than taking the loss on selling. > Your equipment list holds up well for PNW 3 season cruising. > > Once you use the boat in the PNW waters your vision of what features will be > important on the next boat will become more focused. > > There is an active C&C community here so if you have any questions regarding > moorage locations from Portland OR (to the south) to Vancouver Island (to the > north) I bet there is a lister with local knowledge. > > Martin > Calypso > 1971 C&C 43 > Seattle > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye > via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:36 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops > > After returning from a family trip to the State where I was born, Washington, > and spending time touring the area including a brief stay at Friday Harbor, > the family decided that they would like to move there. Yes, we know the > winter is dreary, wet, and clammy there. But come what may, we are heading > in that direction hopefully in the next year, and the plan includes the > acquisition of perhaps a LF 38 or something along those lines once we do. > But first things first. > > Due to this unexpected change of plans and coasts, we will (sadly) need to > sell our "Mr. Bop" (go ahead and rename her if you must). She is a 1986 > 35iii, centerboard currently in a slip in Edgewater, MD. She is in very > good shape and proved to provide us with minimal issues. > > We purchased the Bop in October of 2012 for 40K. She has a 2002 30GMF that > runs great. In the brief time we have owned her we had her hull blasted and > a new barrier coat applied. That was the big expensive job. Other > improvements include a new water heater, two brand new AGM batteries and > smart charger (Oct 2013), a west marine 10' RIB ding with a 5 hp Lehr propane > outboard (negotiably included or sold separately). The propane engine has > been great, though used lightly. > > We know we won't get the 40 + 9K back when we sell - but would will consider > a reasonable offer. I havent listed her anywhere yet - you folks are the > only ones who know. > > If you would like more info/go for a sail, please contact us directly. > > Ron & Lisa ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops
Ron and Lisa, First off it is rarely clammy in winter, just cold and wet. In summer we do get a few days of hot and clammy (like yesterday) but mostly the late spring through mid-fall has comfortable PNW cruising weather. Regarding your boat change plans; have you considered trucking your nice 35MKIII to the PNW? It is possible the +-$6K spent on the truck and commissioning costs would be a better value than taking the loss on selling. Your equipment list holds up well for PNW 3 season cruising. Once you use the boat in the PNW waters your vision of what features will be important on the next boat will become more focused. There is an active C&C community here so if you have any questions regarding moorage locations from Portland OR (to the south) to Vancouver Island (to the north) I bet there is a lister with local knowledge. Martin Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle [Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops After returning from a family trip to the State where I was born, Washington, and spending time touring the area including a brief stay at Friday Harbor, the family decided that they would like to move there. Yes, we know the winter is dreary, wet, and clammy there. But come what may, we are heading in that direction hopefully in the next year, and the plan includes the acquisition of perhaps a LF 38 or something along those lines once we do. But first things first. Due to this unexpected change of plans and coasts, we will (sadly) need to sell our "Mr. Bop" (go ahead and rename her if you must). She is a 1986 35iii, centerboard currently in a slip in Edgewater, MD. She is in very good shape and proved to provide us with minimal issues. We purchased the Bop in October of 2012 for 40K. She has a 2002 30GMF that runs great. In the brief time we have owned her we had her hull blasted and a new barrier coat applied. That was the big expensive job. Other improvements include a new water heater, two brand new AGM batteries and smart charger (Oct 2013), a west marine 10' RIB ding with a 5 hp Lehr propane outboard (negotiably included or sold separately). The propane engine has been great, though used lightly. We know we won't get the 40 + 9K back when we sell - but would will consider a reasonable offer. I havent listed her anywhere yet - you folks are the only ones who know. If you would like more info/go for a sail, please contact us directly. Ron & Lisa ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Swapping coasts and Bops
After returning from a family trip to the State where I was born, Washington, and spending time touring the area including a brief stay at Friday Harbor, the family decided that they would like to move there. Yes, we know the winter is dreary, wet, and clammy there. But come what may, we are heading in that direction hopefully in the next year, and the plan includes the acquisition of perhaps a LF 38 or something along those lines once we do. But first things first. Due to this unexpected change of plans and coasts, we will (sadly) need to sell our "Mr. Bop" (go ahead and rename her if you must). She is a 1986 35iii, centerboard currently in a slip in Edgewater, MD. She is in very good shape and proved to provide us with minimal issues. We purchased the Bop in October of 2012 for 40K. She has a 2002 30GMF that runs great. In the brief time we have owned her we had her hull blasted and a new barrier coat applied. That was the big expensive job. Other improvements include a new water heater, two brand new AGM batteries and smart charger (Oct 2013), a west marine 10' RIB ding with a 5 hp Lehr propane outboard (negotiably included or sold separately). The propane engine has been great, though used lightly. We know we won't get the 40 + 9K back when we sell - but would will consider a reasonable offer. I havent listed her anywhere yet - you folks are the only ones who know. If you would like more info/go for a sail, please contact us directly. Ron & Lisa ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
