Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
I have no experience with the 32 so should not comment but I have an early 33 (1975) which was converted from wheel to tiller by a prior owner. In our case we would have it no other way. Our only modification was to replace the tiller with a longer version so my wife, the skipper sits up against the bulkhead on the seat or the combing. When tacking the crew is behind the skipper working the primary winches which are aft of the seats. In this way the crew stands over the winch to get maximum leverage and the skipper's view is not obstructed by the crew during tacking or gibing. If racing is your main activity I believe this is the way to go. It also keeps the weight forward except during tacks and gibes. As far as cockpit space is concerned, we have not seen this as a problem. And while not sailing, the tiller can be raised out of the way against the backstay. That's my two cents. Good luck with your conversion. Dave. C&C 33 SLY Sent from my iPad > On Nov 15, 2016, at 5:22 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List > wrote: > > Rod > > Another option is to move your winches further aft to the spinnaker winch > location. If you do not sail with a crew this is a good option and is how > Persistence was set up when we bought it. Unfortunately for a crewed > situation or for racing you have your spinnaker trimmers facing a bit aft and > twisted while trimming genoa. For those reasons we reconfigured our boat > back to its original configuration with primaries forward, spinnaker (or > secondaries) aft and a set of winches on coachroof for halyards and other > control lines. That said for your purposes it may be an option and is not > difficult nor expensive to do. > > Mike > Persistence > Halifax > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of roderick > anderson via CnC-List > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 7:27 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: roderick anderson > Subject: Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion > > Mike, that's a great idea and that would work well for me. Oddly enough my 32 > was never rigged for a spinnaker but I can certainly take care of that. > Thanks! > Rod > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
Rod Another option is to move your winches further aft to the spinnaker winch location. If you do not sail with a crew this is a good option and is how Persistence was set up when we bought it. Unfortunately for a crewed situation or for racing you have your spinnaker trimmers facing a bit aft and twisted while trimming genoa. For those reasons we reconfigured our boat back to its original configuration with primaries forward, spinnaker (or secondaries) aft and a set of winches on coachroof for halyards and other control lines. That said for your purposes it may be an option and is not difficult nor expensive to do. Mike Persistence Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of roderick anderson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 7:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: roderick anderson Subject: Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion Mike, that's a great idea and that would work well for me. Oddly enough my 32 was never rigged for a spinnaker but I can certainly take care of that. Thanks! Rod ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
Agreed re single handing 33-2: move the primary winches to the aft pads and use self-tailing winches. I found them to be the perfect spot and you can get a lot of leverage as you are standing over the winch rather than kneeling on the seat. Was very easy to single-hand the boat. Bob McLaughlin > On Nov 14, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List > wrote: > > +1 for the wheel and a second set of winches, that's how I sail my 33-2 > single handed > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
Mike, that's a great idea and that would work well for me. Oddly enough my 32 was never rigged for a spinnaker but I can certainly take care of that. Thanks! Rod ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
Hey Brad, Ya' got me. Second set of winches to help 33-2 single handing? Do tell. Any photos? Thanks. Dave 33-2 windstar Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:17:36 + From: Bradley Lumgair To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" +1 for the wheel and a second set of winches, that's how I sail my 33-2 single handed ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
+1 for the wheel and a second set of winches, that's how I sail my 33-2 single handed ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
Rod Another thought entirely. Rather than convert to wheel why not run jib sheets back to where spinnaker winches are normally located? If you do not have the second set of winches you could add them since there is a spot on most C&Cs for them to be mounted. Many people sailing short handed prefer this setup. Mike Persistence Halifax, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of roderick anderson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 8:31 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: roderick anderson Subject: Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion Colin, thanks for the welcome! Chuck, I'm not totally married to the tiller idea but find the wheel a real nuisance when trying to get to the sheets. I do have an Autohelm 3000 that came with the boat so maybe that could help. David, I do have the emergency tiller for the boat but it looks like a big vertical crank with a square drive on the end. I can't imagine trying to steer with it for any length of time. Thanks everyone for the ideas and input! Rod ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
Discussion on tiller vs. wheel are a bit like Windows vs. Apple. This has more to do with personal preferences than with logic. However, if you find it difficult to single-hand from behind the wheel, try steering from in front of it. This works especially well if you have an autopilot. It works quite well. I would suggest trying it before you remove the pedestal. Good luck Marek Dziedzic 1994 C270 “Legato “ Ottawa, ON Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: roderick anderson via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: November 11, 2016 19:31 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: roderick anderson<mailto:otterho...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion Colin, thanks for the welcome! Chuck, I'm not totally married to the tiller idea but find the wheel a real nuisance when trying to get to the sheets. I do have an Autohelm 3000 that came with the boat so maybe that could help. David, I do have the emergency tiller for the boat but it looks like a big vertical crank with a square drive on the end. I can't imagine trying to steer with it for any length of time. Thanks everyone for the ideas and input! Rod ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
Colin, thanks for the welcome! Chuck, I'm not totally married to the tiller idea but find the wheel a real nuisance when trying to get to the sheets. I do have an Autohelm 3000 that came with the boat so maybe that could help. David, I do have the emergency tiller for the boat but it looks like a big vertical crank with a square drive on the end. I can't imagine trying to steer with it for any length of time. Thanks everyone for the ideas and input! Rod ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
Hi Rod Mine came with emergency tiller that fit over the rudder post. If you have one you might be able to sacrafice it to provide the tiller attachment. Have to say though, that you are going to give up a lot of cockpit space given the location of the rudder post. Cheers davidC&C 32 Wanderer From: roderick anderson via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: roderick anderson Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 6:18 PM Subject: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion Hi everyone my name is Rod Anderson and this is my first post to the list. I hail from Shelter Island, NY where I have a small boat shop. I bought a 1980 C&C 32 this year and coming from the Etchells world I'm uncomfortable with a wheel. I am thinking about changing the helm from the Edson setup it has now to a tiller which I believe was also available . My question is does anyone know where to source the tiller fitting or possibly find a used one. The tiller itself is not a problem as I can build one in the shop. Thanks! Rod ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
Hi Rod, Beyond the physical attachment of a tiller head to the rudder post, you’ll also need to address the sizeable hole that is cut in the cockpit that accommodates the idler assembly as well as the pedestal guard. Not to mention where your engine controls will need to be relocated. The Edson tiller head assembly has a maximum rudder size of 1 ½” and I suspect your rudder post is at least 2 3/8”. I purchased a C&C Landfall this season as an upgrade from a tiller steered C&C 25 (along with sailing Lasers and Etchells over the past decade) and while my first few times backing up the boat using a wheel were “experiences”, I found that in general, it was a breeze to sail with a very light feel at the wheel and allowed my guests far more freedom to move around the cockpit. If you’re married to the notion of using a tiller on the boat, I would first use a set of calipers to measure the diameter of the rudder post. Then put in a call to Rudy at D&R Marine in Freetown MA. Rudy was the procurement guy for Oday, Pearson, and Cal and may know of a suitable part that could be adapted to a C&C Rudder post. The other source may be South Shore Marine (Rob Maclaughlin) up in Niagara on the Lake. Best of luck and welcome to the group! Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1983 35 Landfall Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of roderick anderson via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 6:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: roderick anderson Subject: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion Hi everyone my name is Rod Anderson and this is my first post to the list. I hail from Shelter Island, NY where I have a small boat shop. I bought a 1980 C&C 32 this year and coming from the Etchells world I'm uncomfortable with a wheel. I am thinking about changing the helm from the Edson setup it has now to a tiller which I believe was also available . My question is does anyone know where to source the tiller fitting or possibly find a used one. The tiller itself is not a problem as I can build one in the shop. Thanks! Rod ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
Welcome, by the way. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 10 November 2016 at 17:04, Jim Watts wrote: > I checked all the usual suspects and didn't see any exact replacements. > You could buy a tiller head fitting from Edson ( > http://www.edsonmarine.com/ecatalogs/T1/00010.htm) and adapt it, or have > a new head fitting machined to match the Edson tiller fittings. Or have a > whole new one made by Garhauer. > > Jim Watts > Paradigm Shift > C&C 35 Mk III > Victoria, BC > > On 10 November 2016 at 15:18, roderick anderson via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone my name is Rod Anderson and this is my first post to the >> list. I hail from Shelter Island, NY where I have a small boat shop. I >> bought a 1980 C&C 32 this year and coming from the Etchells world I'm >> uncomfortable with a wheel. I am thinking about changing the helm from the >> Edson setup it has now to a tiller which I believe was also available . My >> question is does anyone know where to source the tiller fitting or possibly >> find a used one. The tiller itself is not a problem as I can build one in >> the shop. Thanks! >> Rod >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
I checked all the usual suspects and didn't see any exact replacements. You could buy a tiller head fitting from Edson ( http://www.edsonmarine.com/ecatalogs/T1/00010.htm) and adapt it, or have a new head fitting machined to match the Edson tiller fittings. Or have a whole new one made by Garhauer. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 10 November 2016 at 15:18, roderick anderson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi everyone my name is Rod Anderson and this is my first post to the list. > I hail from Shelter Island, NY where I have a small boat shop. I bought a > 1980 C&C 32 this year and coming from the Etchells world I'm uncomfortable > with a wheel. I am thinking about changing the helm from the Edson setup it > has now to a tiller which I believe was also available . My question is > does anyone know where to source the tiller fitting or possibly find a used > one. The tiller itself is not a problem as I can build one in the shop. > Thanks! > Rod > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Thinking of a Wheel to Tiller Conversion
Hi everyone my name is Rod Anderson and this is my first post to the list. I hail from Shelter Island, NY where I have a small boat shop. I bought a 1980 C&C 32 this year and coming from the Etchells world I'm uncomfortable with a wheel. I am thinking about changing the helm from the Edson setup it has now to a tiller which I believe was also available . My question is does anyone know where to source the tiller fitting or possibly find a used one. The tiller itself is not a problem as I can build one in the shop. Thanks! Rod ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
